Denzel Valentine

Post #21 » by **Undefeated** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:06 am

The play call for that is "Chest Up"

-G- · Post #22 » by **-G-** » Tue Dec 1, 2015 4:45 pm

ZGendron317 wrote:I think he will go late first round, early second, but then he will prove everybody wrong who passed up on him.

Your Warriors should make sure they get this guy. Draymond 2.0. Hopefully can grow into the Iggy role.

skones · Post #23 » by **skones** » Tue Dec 1, 2015 5:57 pm

Wherever he goes, he's going to outplay his draft position IMO. Can't see him being a lotto pick.

ZGendron317 · Post #24 » by **ZGendron317** » Thu Dec 3, 2015 3:29 am

-G- wrote:
ZGendron317 wrote:I think he will go late first round, early second, but then he will prove everybody wrong who passed up on him.

Your Warriors should make sure they get this guy. Draymond 2.0. Hopefully can grow into the Iggy role.

I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE for that to happen.

hcsilla · Post #25 » by **hcsilla** » Sat Dec 5, 2015 10:52 pm

I see Valentine as a less athletic/late years' Ginobili.

BallinBucks420 · Post #26 » by **BallinBucks420** » Sun Dec 6, 2015 5:58 am

he's got such a quick release...think he will be a nice role player and the highest he goes is like 18 or 19 but probably mid 20's to early second..great shooter but will be hard to create his own shot in NBA but perfect spot up shooter..does he play good D?maybe a Khris Middleton type 3 and D guy

reanimator · Post #27 » by **reanimator** » Mon Dec 7, 2015 5:15 pm

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Really don't see the ball being in his hands at the next level. Not into the Evan Turner comp.

Post #28 » by **Slartibartfast** » Tue Feb 2, 2016 6:14 pm

Dame Lizard wrote:He's currently averaging 20/9/9 with shooting splits of 49/45/80, whilst shooting 7.8 three pointers a game (at 44.7% click).

If he keeps this up, he's going earlier than a late 1st round. Yes, It'd be unrealistic to expect him to keep this up, but just pointing out that if he somehow kept this up, he'd be taken earlier for sure.

Well, he missed some time with that injury, but so far he's tracking at 19/8/7 with 46/43/83 shooting splits while shooting 7.7 threes a game.

Probably my favorite guy in the draft. Could be an incredible role player - shoots like Wes Matthews, facilitates like Boris Diaw, rebounds like Draymond Green, defends like a pre-injury Landry Fields.

ChrisTheFuturePaul · Post #29 » by **ChrisTheFuturePaul** » Wed Feb 3, 2016 1:48 am

He looks like the type of guy Alvin Gentry would want IMO. Hope the Pels get him, could be a great swingman for us.

Post #30 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Feb 3, 2016 10:30 am

I think he goes around 20th. His length and skill level make up for his lack of athletic explosiveness.

doordoor123 · Post #31 » by **doordoor123** » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:55 pm

Ruzious wrote:I think he goes around 20th. His length and skill level make up for his lack of athletic explosiveness.

That's what they said about D'Angelo Russell yet guys blow by him. Length is overrated on the wing unless you have GREAT length and can chase down a driving player from behind. Kyle Anderson is another guy with length that players blow by. Also take into account the offense won't run through him. I want to have him in the first round because of what hes done in college, but I don't have faith he'll be as useful in the NBA.

ZGendron317 · Post #32 » by **ZGendron317** » Thu Feb 4, 2016 7:45 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Dame Lizard wrote:He's currently averaging 20/9/9 with shooting splits of 49/45/80, whilst shooting 7.8 three pointers a game (at 44.7% click).

If he keeps this up, he's going earlier than a late 1st round. Yes, It'd be unrealistic to expect him to keep this up, but just pointing out that if he somehow kept this up, he'd be taken earlier for sure.

Well, he missed some time with that injury, but so far he's tracking at 19/8/7 with 46/43/83 shooting splits while shooting 7.7 threes a game.

Probably my favorite guy in the draft. Could be an incredible role player - shoots like Wes Matthews, facilitates like Boris Diaw, rebounds like Draymond Green, defends like a pre-injury Landry Fields.

Valentine is a lot like Green where he can really do everything, and I feel like he is a better scorer.

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Dcebucks11 · Post #33 » by **Dcebucks11** » Thu Feb 4, 2016 8:09 pm

Spurs player, where he'll go on to be a top 10 player in the league

Post #34 » by **Slartibartfast** » Thu Feb 4, 2016 8:14 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I think he goes around 20th. His length and skill level make up for his lack of athletic explosiveness.

That's what they said about D'Angelo Russell yet guys blow by him. Length is overrated on the wing unless you have GREAT length and can chase down a driving player from behind. Kyle Anderson is another guy with length that players blow by. Also take into account the offense won't run through him. I want to have him in the first round because of what hes done in college, but I don't have faith he'll be as useful in the NBA.

Valentine has a good 40 pounds on D'Angelo and a much lower center of gravity than Kyle Anderson. The weight/beef will allow him to defend big wings much better than the skinny guys with comparable length, while the lower center of gravity will help him to avoid blow bys. He will still have his work cut out for him to become a decent NBA defender, but the defensive precedent for guys with similar body types (thick trunk, low base, solid length) is pretty good (Wes Matthews, Draymond Green, Jae Crowder, Boris Diaw, PJ Tucker, Landry Fields).

sweetcity · Post #35 » by **sweetcity** » Fri Feb 5, 2016 12:05 am

I like the Wes Mathews comparison

JHerbo24 · Post #36 » by **JHerbo24** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:13 pm

Another great game for Valentine yesterday 30 points and a career high 13 assists

Post #37 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:57 am

I really see Batum as a solid comparison for him:

Bombs 3's.
Rebounds the ball well.
Great facilitator making high BBIQ passes.
Confident scorer who can convert in a number of ways.

Not uber athletic but no slouch.
Doesn't get to the FT line that often.

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Post #38 » by **GimmeDat** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:00 am

Regardless if how he plays at the next level, he's turned in to one heck of a college player. Love watching him play.

HotelVitale · Post #39 » by **HotelVitale** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:23 am

I do like him but he has SG size, so-so handles, and no first step. He does wonders with a little bit of space and small advantages but those will be much harder to come by in the NBA. I could see a lot of Doug McDermott's issues popping up--can still shoot in tight spaces, still score on cuts and in-between stuff, but can't get separation enough to be effective otherwise. (Of course he should be a better defender and will definitely be a better passer than McBucks.)

Post #40 » by **Slartibartfast** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:08 pm

HotelVitale wrote:I do like him but he has SG size, so-so handles, and no first step. He does wonders with a little bit of space and small advantages but those will be much harder to come by in the NBA. I could see a lot of Doug McDermott's issues popping up--can still shoot in tight spaces, still score on cuts and in-between stuff, but can't get separation enough to be effective otherwise. (Of course he should be a better defender and will definitely be a better passer than McBucks.)

I don't think he's anything like Doug. Doug was/is a pure scoring swing forward who posts up smaller guys and takes advantage of big guys by launching from the perimeter.

Valentine is on a completely different level as a ball-handler and passer even if he has similar athletic limitations. He's also a far more physical presence defensively and on the boards.

He is tailor-made for playing a more aggressive version of the Draymond Green/Boris Diaw offensive role. Both of those guys thrive by using their beefy trunks to slot down a position or two (both have SF size but play mostly PF or C) defensively and then take advantage of their major skill advantages offensively at those positions. Both are at their best when they have a dynamic guard to soften up the D first (Curry/Nash), allowing them to penetrate and facilitate against a staggered D.

His size is an issue - he can only slot down to SF or super-smallball PF - but he maintains the match-up advantages by being such a good shooter (something that Green and Diaw can't do). Someone already compared him to Batum, and I'd add Gordon Hayward - ball-handling wings who can shoot and play a complete floor game despite lacking explosive first steps.