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Re: Buddy Hield 

Post#21 » by No-Man » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:21 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Some on the Wolves board really like him, he would fill the Wolves need for outside shooting and he has enough maturity that Wolves wouldn't need to wait 2-3 years for him to develop. My question is if he's good enough that he should even be on the radar considering how high the Wolves are going to pick. Is he good enough to be in the conversation at 5-6-7?

No, not even close to.

If thats the profile you want and you follow Korkmaz, who is a bit more of a SF in my book (but with Wiggins it doesnt matter) or Luwawu (less of a shooter but capable) should be the names to look at.
Even Wade Baldwin to a degree ahead of Hield.
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Re: Buddy Hield 

Post#22 » by Cammo101 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:36 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:Some on the Wolves board really like him, he would fill the Wolves need for outside shooting and he has enough maturity that Wolves wouldn't need to wait 2-3 years for him to develop. My question is if he's good enough that he should even be on the radar considering how high the Wolves are going to pick. Is he good enough to be in the conversation at 5-6-7?

No, not even close to.

If thats the profile you want and you follow Korkmaz, who is a bit more of a SF in my book (but with Wiggins it doesnt matter) or Luwawu (less of a shooter but capable) should be the names to look at.
Even Wade Baldwin to a degree ahead of Hield.


I agree 5-7 is probably a bit early on Hield, but I think taking any of those guys you listed over Hield would likely be a mistake, especially for a team like Minny who has potential stars in place and really need a role player with Hield's exact skillset.
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Post#23 » by No-Man » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:38 pm

Both Luwawu and Korkmaz are potential role players, not All Stars, but have a higher ceiling at doing so than Hield does.
Same with Baldwin.

Hield to me is something in between Wayne Ellington and Meeks, or an Ellington with a bit more of size and character if you wish.
He is not Redick, much more agile, way wider repertoire offensively, nor Matthews, bigger, much tougher and a better athlete.
Lets be clear there.
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Post#24 » by rick_21 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:40 pm

I don't know why people say he is a poor athlete. He is not a future Slam Dunk Contest winner for sure, but is an above average athlete for a shooting guard and I'm pretty sure his athleticism will not be a concern at the next level. He has also a rentless motor, he sprints up & down the court like a young deer the whole game, and he likes to crash the boards getting the ocasional putback bunk or tip in. Not what you would expect from a bad athlete.

He's not short either. He has a 6' 8.5" wingspan and a 220lb. frame, and is also a very competitive player so I don't think there is any reason why he can not be an adequate defensive player.

There are probably 5-6 unquestionably better prospects, but after that and if he continues shooting as he is now I can see Buddy Hield in the conversation for picks 6-12 depending on which team is making the pick.
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Post#25 » by EMG518 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:43 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Some on the Wolves board really like him, he would fill the Wolves need for outside shooting and he has enough maturity that Wolves wouldn't need to wait 2-3 years for him to develop. My question is if he's good enough that he should even be on the radar considering how high the Wolves are going to pick. Is he good enough to be in the conversation at 5-6-7?


He is 100% good enough for consideration there.
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Post#26 » by HotelVitale » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:03 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:A team is going to reach for this guy in the top 10 and they will end up regretting it. At best he late lottery but he should go around 20. This guy would be boarder line 1st rounder in most drafts. Hes a great college player but he will basically become just a spot up catch and shoot player in the NBA. Again good value for a mid-late first round pick. But if you are expecting a top 10 pick type player from him you will be disappointed
I don't disagree. Even if he's just JJ Reddick though its good value around 10 in this underwhelming draft. Obviously a young team without even a fringe all star should pass and swing for the fences. But he makes sense for some teams in the lottery.


Redick is not just a decent catch and shoot guy--he's mastered NBA timing and court awareness, knows when to cut and passes well, has a solid handle and defends better than you'd think. He'd be a good starter on almost any team, and it's not realistic to expect that he's a floor comp for anyone picked outside the top 5.

A player who can catch and shoot and not do the other things is just a $2-3m per year guy. Think Anthony Morrow, or Hollis Thompson or Novak. There's a big difference between, say, Ryan Anderson and Mirza Teletovic, and Hield could fall anywhere within that.
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Post#27 » by No-Man » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:13 pm

Redick is much more quicker than Buddy is, Buddy has been shooting out of his mind, but he has never showed this level before this season, whereas JJ was tremendous since his freshmen year (over 40% from 3 all along), Buddy is not a bad athlete, but he is average, he is not nearly as quick as he will need to be with his lack of size (about 6'4 in shoes), plus he will be 23 this year.
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Post#28 » by rick_21 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:18 pm

Don't you say wingspan is much more important than size? His 6' 8.5" wingspan is not short for a SG.

His shooting numbers this year are a bt suspicious, yes, but the sample size is not small and sometimes players improve dramatically his shooting without regressing later on.
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Post#29 » by No-Man » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:23 pm

rick_21 wrote:Don't you say wingspan is much more important than size? His 6' 8.5" wingspan is not short for a SG.

His shooting numbers this year are a bt suspicious, yes, but the sample size is not small and sometimes players improve dramatically his shooting without regressing later on.

His wingspan is alright, no doubt, I just dont see him been that quick overall, and yeah the sample size is not that small, but you have to take into consideration his performance prior to this year to balance how well he will adjust to the next level.
For me he is much more of a more under control Meeks or bigger/longer WEllington than JJ Redick, who is imo a historic shooter.
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Re: Buddy Hield 

Post#30 » by HotelVitale » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:27 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:I don't watch enough of him to tell, so what separates him offensively from Jimmer Fredette in college?
Go watch him enough
Thanks for your analysis expert!

For real, though, it'd take us longer to type a response than it would for you to watch this:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Buddy-Hield-46-Point-Explosion-Video-Analysis-vs-Kansas-5344/

That'll give you a clear sense of Hield at his best, enough to maybe add to the conversation.
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Post#31 » by reanimator » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:31 pm

I wouldn't touch him with a lotto pick.
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Post#32 » by coletrain11 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:33 pm

He reminds me of OJ Mayo.
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Post#33 » by bulliedog8 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:39 pm

The best comparison I heard for him is Jodie Meeks on steroids.
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Re: Buddy Hield 

Post#34 » by lastmanstanding » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:15 pm

I think Jodie Meeks may be a pretty good comparison for Buddy.
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Re: Buddy Hield 

Post#35 » by Cammo101 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:36 pm

I don't think Meeks is anything close to the all around scorer Hield is. Meeks is a jumpshooter and little else. I think Hield is closer to someone like Ben McLemore. Less of an athlete, but a smarter, more savvy player at this stage than Ben was.
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Post#36 » by EMG518 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:21 pm

He isnt like any of the comps that have been mentioned. None of those guys have combo guard skills.
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Post#37 » by Cammo101 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:35 pm

EMG518 wrote:He isnt like any of the comps that have been mentioned. None of those guys have combo guard skills.


Combo guard skills? As in you think Hield can play PG at the NBA level? I can't see any scenario where that happens.
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Post#38 » by EMG518 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:53 pm

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EMG518 wrote:He isnt like any of the comps that have been mentioned. None of those guys have combo guard skills.


Combo guard skills? As in you think Hield can play PG at the NBA level? I can't see any scenario where that happens.


I didnt say he can play point, I said he has combo guard skills.
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Re: Buddy Hield 

Post#39 » by Cammo101 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:16 pm

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EMG518 wrote:He isnt like any of the comps that have been mentioned. None of those guys have combo guard skills.


Combo guard skills? As in you think Hield can play PG at the NBA level? I can't see any scenario where that happens.


I didnt say he can play point, I said he has combo guard skills.


What does that even mean? Combo guard implies he can play both positions? He's pretty clearly a SG to me. A guy like Kris Dunn is a combo guard.
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Post#40 » by EMG518 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:25 pm

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Combo guard skills? As in you think Hield can play PG at the NBA level? I can't see any scenario where that happens.


I didnt say he can play point, I said he has combo guard skills.


What does that even mean? Combo guard implies he can play both positions? He's pretty clearly a SG to me. A guy like Kris Dunn is a combo guard.


I think people get too attached to labeling people by position. His main skill set is clearly that of a 2 but he has some point guard skills which is why I said he has the skills of a combo guard, you could throw him out there in some lineups at the 1. He has more point guard skills than Dunn has shooting guard skills in my opinion as well. Dunn is not a combo guard in my opinion.

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