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Post#21 » by Zombiesonics » Mon Apr 4, 2016 2:09 am

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steveshikadance wrote:Maker is a lottery pick in this years weak draft

not a chance in hell

You follow the draft , you know it's not wise to say this before workouts. He's going to have some monster workouts , his game is catered to it (chair defense). All of this discussion is moot because I DOUBT he qualifies.
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Post#22 » by skywalker33 » Mon Apr 4, 2016 2:11 am

steveshikadance wrote:Maker is a lottery pick in this years weak draft, NBA has no real reason to deny him since he qualifies the draft requirements, at least 19 and 1 year past high school, Maker is 19 and graduated high school last June playing at post grad at a Prep this last year.


WHAAAATTTT ??? He may go top 20 but I don't see him as a lottery pick. TOR is the only team I see that could do that...a draft-n-stash type guy.
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Post#23 » by No-Man » Mon Apr 4, 2016 2:12 am

This draft, well the market, its overloaded with bigs, Maker is not only insanely raw, still, he has shown pretty little improvement over the past few years, he is really long and has some intriguing traits, he likes the face-up game and he plays hard, but he is still really slim and he is the type of prospect that needs college to get a base, an understanding of the game.
As much as Skal has struggled you can tell that he needed to play organised basketball, it is the same for Thon, if he gets drafted he is going to eat dleague for 2 years.
I wont take him ahead of international bigs like Zubac or Cornelie for example, and he looks more like a 2nd round upside long-term project type of pick in case NBA lets him in.

The lottery talk is insane, anybody that burns that type of a pick in him is making a mistake.
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Post#24 » by No-Man » Mon Apr 4, 2016 2:14 am

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steveshikadance wrote:Maker is a lottery pick in this years weak draft

not a chance in hell

You follow the draft , you know it's not wise to say this before workouts. He's going to have some monster workouts , his game is catered to it (chair defense). All of this discussion is moot because I DOUBT he qualifies.

There are dumb GMs everywhere, but... not a chance in hell, this notion that he is going to have monster workouts against players much more matured not only physically but in terms of skills is just dumbfounded.
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Post#25 » by GimmeDat » Mon Apr 4, 2016 2:34 am

I think 2nd round sounds most likely. Way too many question marks to have him in the Top 20. Could see a contender stashing him away in the late 1st at best, if not, the early 2nd round is pretty deep as well, he could drop into the 40's.
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Post#26 » by Zombiesonics » Mon Apr 4, 2016 2:35 am

He has a way better physical profile than skal, look at him hear standing near another 5 star known for his size

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He is going hit a crap ton of threes in workouts ( he hit a ton when I watched him play vs plenty of high d1 players this year) and he is going to show off a lot of ball handling for a 7 footer. I see what you mean he's very raw rn and needs coaching, what alarms me the most is his lower body seems weak. Still worth a 20-30 pick. Anybody who says he is a second rounder is nuts and hasn't been paying attention to his season, I mean he's #10 in a loaded class for a reason.
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Post#27 » by mavs77777 » Mon Apr 4, 2016 2:43 am

Zombiesonics wrote:
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mavs77777 wrote:Thing is Maker has shot poorly at the camps he's been at lately, so his outside shot is also overhyped. He's a good rim runner, with energy, and solid athleticism. But the star upside is a pipe-dream


I was at the UA showcase in BK and watched shot, both in warmups and in the game and in the 3point contest - he isn't a good shooter right now. He isnt a good player right now

Did you watch him play at all this season for his prep school? He had some monster shooting displays vs high level comp during the grind session . anybody who passes on maker for skal is drunk. The latter has worst physical tools and not a sign of a jumper. Even worst if he slips to late first and someone takes diallo (who couldn't even see the floor @ Kansas) over him , I'll laugh my ass off.

I'd take both Bragg, Diallo, and Skal over him. Skal actually can shoot from mid range and showed some touch this year, I'm not big on him much, terrible rebounding but his shot blocking and jumper is still an intriguing long term gamble. Maker would be behind both Diallo and Bragg if they cameback to school and Maker went to Kansas. Diallo was effective in his minutes but played very little, his big issue is defensive awareness but everything else is there, he was behind veteran bigs, and should have played more, great shot blocker, that can rebound, and finish. I like Bragg a lot btw.
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Post#28 » by saintEscaton » Mon Apr 4, 2016 2:52 am

Still remember when he was getting whack comps like "A KG/KD lovechild in Mutombo's body" just cauz his prep mixtape was straight fire. :lol:
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Post#29 » by sweetcity » Mon Apr 4, 2016 3:03 am

2nd round pick.... Someone will gamble on him. He will play in the D league next year 100%
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Post#30 » by No-Man » Mon Apr 4, 2016 3:08 am

What is the point on getting him ahead of guys that have a higher chance of panning as role players? makes 0 sense, and if you believe he has major upside you know he also needs major time, his decision making and all around his tutor is iffy also, not only question marks, but shady ones.
In the end, he is far from playing NBA games, and the fact that the bigs class is so deep, both in the Draft and in FA and via trades, hurts his stock, he is a guy that plays with good energy and like to shoot, but he is far from a shooter, and lacks skills and understanding of the game otherwise, already 19, and like you said a weak lower body.
Are you taking him ahead of Cornelie? a guy with similar size that has shown the ability to actually play in the French league? why? it's not like Maker's physical profile, other than his size, is that intriguing, the guy is not an elite athlete.
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Post#31 » by Zombiesonics » Mon Apr 4, 2016 3:08 am

saintEscaton wrote:Still remember when he was getting whack comps like "A KG/KD lovechild in Mutombo's body". LMAO

Yeah he's not like any of that. In the NBA , he could mimic what kaminsky does for CHA off the bench , but potentially more defensive upside. Screening 4/5 who can pop for jumpers and face up.
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Post#32 » by Zombiesonics » Mon Apr 4, 2016 3:24 am

Fischella wrote:What is the point on getting him ahead of guys that have a higher chance of panning as role players? makes 0 sense, and if you believe he has major upside you know he also needs major time, his decision making and all around his tutor is iffy also, not only question marks, but shady ones.
In the end, he is far from playing NBA games, and the fact that the bigs class is so deep, both in the Draft and in FA and via trades, hurts his stock, he is a guy that plays with good energy and like to shoot, but he is far from a shooter, and lacks skills and understanding of the game otherwise, already 19, and like you said a weak lower body.
Are you taking him ahead of Cornelie? a guy with similar size that has shown the ability to actually play in the French league? why? it's not like Maker's physical profile, other than his size, is that intriguing, the guy is not an elite athlete.


I dont have enough access to intls, but I do get tanagers sports and tuned into as ton of prep ball this season. Games loaded with legit future lotto picks (josh Jackson , miles bridges,ayton) , and maker stood out as an elite level prospect on that level.

I mean, he is ranked #10 in an OUTSTANDING hs class, one that will produce future all stars. scouts have noticed his game maturing after a poor junior season, I'm sure gms have too. Still doubt he gets cleared by the leagur
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Post#33 » by TKainZero » Mon Apr 4, 2016 5:19 am

Could be the best modern Small ball, Stretch 5, 3&D center

I could see him going as high as number 3 to the Lakers (if they land number 3 and simmions/Ingraham are gone.
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Post#34 » by saintEscaton » Mon Apr 4, 2016 5:57 am

TKainZero wrote:Could be the best modern Small ball, Stretch 5, 3&D center

I could see him going as high as number 3 to the Lakers (if they land number 3 and simmions/Ingraham are gone.

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Post#35 » by PerkinsFor3 » Mon Apr 4, 2016 6:53 am

He's actually an third year Pro in a Freshman body.
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Post#36 » by RationalGaze » Mon Apr 4, 2016 8:08 am

He's definitely improved and that is why he needs to go to college and show he can play against better competition to convince scouts they shouldn't pass him in the draft without good reasoning. It'd be scary for him to be eligible, because he is highly rated in the loaded class that's a year away. This draft is being media driven that it's a weak class when it's actually got starting talent and impact players, but if we are to believe that next year's class is brimming with talent then Thon is going to test the money in every GM's mouth and see where they take him this year.
Any team that gets him this year might look to get another guy in the Lotto next year and that would be a win for said team.
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Post#37 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Apr 4, 2016 8:55 am

TKainZero wrote:Could be the best modern Small ball, Stretch 5, 3&D center

I could see him going as high as number 3 to the Lakers (if they land number 3 and simmions/Ingraham are gone.


#3? I think it is safe to say there is no chance he goes #3. Best case I think for him is late lottery-teens to early 20s. I do think he is going to go 1st round and I do think he is going to be a workout warrior and really impress some teams in his workouts. He is a legit footer that can jump and is long and has put on a good amount of muscle the past year. He also can hit 3 balls in warm ups and in workouts. But the thing is, none of this has ever really transferred to games consistently for him. Thon is the definition of a guy with an unbelievable youtube highlight but when you watch him play you go "this is the same dude?". I can see Boston taking a chance on him with one of their 1st rounders and not their Brooklyn pick.
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Post#38 » by King Ken » Mon Apr 4, 2016 10:34 am

If he has a good Nike Hoops Summit to go with a good workouts. He could sneak in top 5-10 range. In this draft, every slot after three is open

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Post#39 » by First pick » Mon Apr 4, 2016 10:57 am

I've only seen Thon Maker in one game and that was the Nike Hoop Summit Last year.

He didn't play alot and wasn't any good. Ben Simmons was leaps and bounds better in that game
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Post#40 » by eminence » Mon Apr 4, 2016 11:54 am

Smart move for him. If he stays eligible I'm guessing late teens early 20's for a pick, though lots could change for him depending how he shoots in workouts.
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