Frank Ntilikina

[jrob23]

The thought of taking guys like Leaf, Rabb and Ferguson over Frank made me chuckle a little.

that's a natural response when you overrate someone.

But rating someone is different than ranking someone. It's also different from mock drafts and those are different from the actual draft. Real drafts aren't as predictable as you might imagine and teams often don't even pick for need, rather for development. This year especially with the bigger roster next year. Some teams go for help immediately and ditch the upside.

thanks for the unnecessary draft lesson. I'm well aware. There's too many people on discussion boards who regurgitate what they may have read on some laughable mock draft site. And it is laughable when these sites have him as top 5. So when you try to suggest he's overrated they of course understandably take the word of some "expert" on these sites over mine. But you'll see. He's not a top 10 talent no matter where he's drafted.

[jrob23]

Its the appropriate one when someone repetitively types their opinion no one cares for. Frank has the most defensive potential, offers GMs the most roster flexibility, has the highest overall ceiling and is the most dynamic offensively out of the guys I listed but is behind them?

what does this word mean? Are you going for repeatedly? wow

it's a draft forum. It's literally here so we can discuss our opinions. If your information is ripped right from a weak af draft site and that is how you arrive at your opinion, as it appears...we're done here.

[oddwolfhooligan]

that's a natural response when you overrate someone.

But rating someone is different than ranking someone. It's also different from mock drafts and those are different from the actual draft. Real drafts aren't as predictable as you might imagine and teams often don't even pick for need, rather for development. This year especially with the bigger roster next year. Some teams go for help immediately and ditch the upside.

thanks for the unnecessary draft lesson. I'm well aware. There's too many people on discussion boards who regurgitate what they may have read on some laughable mock draft site. And it is laughable when these sites have him as top 5. So when you try to suggest he's overrated they of course understandably take the word of some "expert" on these sites over mine. But you'll see. He's not a top 10 talent no matter where he's drafted.

By all means, feel free to start sharing your own mock drafts so everyone can see how much smarter you are than all these "laughable" draft sites. Since you are so sure of yourself, I'm sure your rankings will prove to be much more accurate than theirs over time.

[reanimator]

But rating someone is different than ranking someone. It's also different from mock drafts and those are different from the actual draft. Real drafts aren't as predictable as you might imagine and teams often don't even pick for need, rather for development. This year especially with the bigger roster next year. Some teams go for help immediately and ditch the upside.

thanks for the unnecessary draft lesson. I'm well aware. There's too many people on discussion boards who regurgitate what they may have read on some laughable mock draft site. And it is laughable when these sites have him as top 5. So when you try to suggest he's overrated they of course understandably take the word of some "expert" on these sites over mine. But you'll see. He's not a top 10 talent no matter where he's drafted.

By all means, feel free to start sharing your own mock drafts so everyone can see how much smarter you are than all these "laughable" draft sites. Since you are so sure of yourself, I'm sure your rankings will prove to be much more accurate than theirs over time.

He isn't even sure of himself which is why he keeps posting the same garbage over and over.

[doordoor123]

that's a natural response when you overrate someone.

But rating someone is different than ranking someone. It's also different from mock drafts and those are different from the actual draft. Real drafts aren't as predictable as you might imagine and teams often don't even pick for need, rather for development. This year especially with the bigger roster next year. Some teams go for help immediately and ditch the upside.

thanks for the unnecessary draft lesson. I'm well aware. There's too many people on discussion boards who regurgitate what they may have read on some laughable mock draft site. And it is laughable when these sites have him as top 5. So when you try to suggest he's overrated they of course understandably take the word of some "expert" on these sites over mine. But you'll see. He's not a top 10 talent no matter where he's drafted.

To be honest I didn't really read your whole conversation, just the last part. It didn't sound like you knew what you were talking about so I was trying to help out. This community is actually pretty good at deciphering or at least bringing up topics that can be fleshed out. I've been on this site for 4? Years now and I recognize a lot of these users from years past. This isn't the first year any of us have followed the draft so we know what to expect and not to expect. Obviously we don't post credentials because it's a public forum, but I'm speaking for myself, whenever I have an ounce of time, I'm watching basketball. You can decide to trust and believe whoever you want here, but we're all on the same team. We're all trying to figure out how the draft works and how we keep missing out on players.

I DO think people need to specify what they're doing in mocks/big boards though. As I've said, ranking, rating and creating a mock of what teams might pick are very different. It often confuses users who often ask, "why did you put him there?" That's kind of what I was getting at.

[UcanUwill]

I wouldn't take him 1st round, I am numbers centrics for internationals and last on French Pro A team in PER is a major stay away

His PER In Champions league is much better (18.2), second best on the team. 61.6 TS%, 10 games played. He is indeed last in PER in French league after 15 games played.

[cksdayoff]

I wouldn't take him 1st round, I am numbers centrics for internationals and last on French Pro A team in PER is a major stay away

His PER In Champions league is much better (18.2), second best on the team. 61.6 TS%, 10 games played. He is indeed last in PER in French league after 15 games played.

is it because of inconsistency in minutes? or is it because he's playing badly that he isn't getting minutes.

[Zen_Paradox]

I just started looking into him recently and I'm not sold on him being worth a top 8 pick in this draft. I can see why someone might take a flyer on him though, especially if predraft workouts go better than expected.

[Mulhollanddrive]

He's 18 playing in one of the best comps in the world in limited game time out of position.

But has there been a PG with Ntilikina's lack of acceleration that's ever been a star player?

[Zen_Paradox]

He's 18 playing in one of the best comps in the world in limited game time out of position.

But has there been a PG with Ntilikina's lack of speed that's ever been a star player?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I remember Kyrie being called slow in college...he uses rhythm and change of pace now, regardless. No one will ever call him one of the quickest guards in the league.

Having said that, it seems improbable for Ntilikina to reach the level of success Irving has already achieved.

[cksdayoff]

He's 18 playing in one of the best comps in the world in limited game time out of position.

But has there been a PG with Ntilikina's lack of speed that's ever been a star player?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I remember Kyrie being called slow in college...he uses rhythm and change of pace now, regardless. No one will ever call him one of the quickest guards in the league.

Having said that, it seems improbable for Ntilikina to reach the level of success Irving has already achieved.

irving gets to wherever he wants to go because of his elite handles

[Zen_Paradox]

He's 18 playing in one of the best comps in the world in limited game time out of position.

But has there been a PG with Ntilikina's lack of speed that's ever been a star player?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I remember Kyrie being called slow in college...he uses rhythm and change of pace now, regardless. No one will ever call him one of the quickest guards in the league.

Having said that, it seems improbable for Ntilikina to reach the level of success Irving has already achieved.

irving gets to wherever he wants to go because of his elite handles

So...you're agreeing with me?

[cksdayoff]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I remember Kyrie being called slow in college...he uses rhythm and change of pace now, regardless. No one will ever call him one of the quickest guards in the league.

Having said that, it seems improbable for Ntilikina to reach the level of success Irving has already achieved.

irving gets to wherever he wants to go because of his elite handles

So...you're agreeing with me?

I'm not sure what I'm agreeing with you on, I don't recall much of Kyrie in college because I never watched him play at Duke, but what I've seen from him in the NBA, he looks pretty quick imo and it helps that the basketball is like an extension of his hand.

In terms of success, who knows. Frank and Kyrie are two different types of PGs. Frank is 6'5" with a 7 ft wingspan. He has the potential to be an elite defender at either guard spots, Frank could play off the ball and it looks like his shooting is advanced.

[Unbreakable99]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I remember Kyrie being called slow in college...he uses rhythm and change of pace now, regardless. No one will ever call him one of the quickest guards in the league.

Having said that, it seems improbable for Ntilikina to reach the level of success Irving has already achieved.

irving gets to wherever he wants to go because of his elite handles

So...you're agreeing with me?

Kyrie was never considered slow.

[reanimator]

If guys like McCaw, D Murray and LeVert look promising as tall combos who are more fluid with creative ballhandling than outright explosive, why can't Frank?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Those guys were picked 20-40 in a weak draft, it'd be bad if Ntilikina was rated like them.

[reanimator]

Those guys were picked 20-40 in a weak draft, it'd be bad if Ntilikina was rated like them.

Last year was not a "weak draft", one dropped out of the lotto due to an injury and at least two of those guys would be top 10 picks in a redraft. I think at least two of them would go late lotto this year knowing what we know now. Wouldn't be "bad" at all.

[jrob23]

Those guys were picked 20-40 in a weak draft, it'd be bad if Ntilikina was rated like them.

Last year was not a "weak draft", one dropped out of the lotto due to an injury and at least two of those guys would be top 10 picks in a redraft. I think at least two of them would go late lotto this year knowing what we know now. Wouldn't be "bad" at all.

don't worry, people just regurgitate what they see tweeted by pundits or read on draft sites. Last season was a very young class. It will take years for many of these kids to develop but they have almost the same upside as any good draft class. Maker, Bender, D. Murray, Labissiere, Diallo, Zizic are all special kids you haven't seen much of yet. Other guys like Valentine, Zubac, LeVert are starting to get noticed. You are absolutely correct. In a redraft 3 years from now people will look back and admit this was a very good draft.

[jrob23]

So I've been guilty of doing what I say others do...groupthink and regurgitation. I've been evaluating him as a PG because frankly that's what everyone declares him to be. No more. He's a SG and as a SG he's the best in the class. He doesn't have the handle or passing to be a PG. But it's adequate as a SG and playing off ball will allow him to shoot and penetrate off curls to take advantage of his elite length. I watched a bunch of tape, and yes he's playing PG in them and dominating a bunch of white high school scrubs lmao. But his skill set is picture perfect for SG on Day 1. Based on him being a SG he's moved up my big board. It's early to know where he falls as there are a lot of games to play. But I am confident that he should be taken before Monk. Who is looking to draft a SG is anyone's guess. Mavs, Celtics, Sixers, Kings, Heat could all use one either immediately or as backups for impending FAs. Because Frank could play PG in some lineups and has versatility, I would not put it past Danny to draft him #1.

Teams that evaluate Ntilikina as a SG, that need a SG might just pounce on him even as early as top 5. So..my evaluation of him as a PG is still on point but as a player I've been wrong. But until final Big Board's and mocks are up we all have time to change our minds

[Mulhollanddrive]

Interesting take, at SG though he still has the same problems with creating his own shot which is what you need to be an All-Star at either G position.