De'Aaron Fox

TheSuzerain · Post #21 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue May 9, 2017 6:49 pm

reanimator wrote:John Wall is always going to have a good 20 lbs on Fox. That alone makes it an imperfect comparison.

And 5 inches of wingspan.

The_Hater · Post #22 » by **The_Hater** » Tue May 9, 2017 10:30 pm

jonjames wrote:John wall/taller better Mike conley

The_Hater · Post #23 » by **The_Hater** » Tue May 9, 2017 10:41 pm

SactownHrtBrks8 wrote:I think De'Aaron Fox is better prospect than Dennis Schroeder. I am not sure if he is as good as Wall as a prospects, but i can seeing him being that level production after a couple years.

He could definitely be better than Schroder, we already see most of what Schroeder is so it's easy to declare a prospect you like will be better, but he could also end up being worse.

He definitely seems cut out of the Schroder/Jennings mold. He could become as good as Conley but that would surprise me. I don't suspect that he will be a bust but as the league trends toward 3 point shooting he's going to need to become somewhat competent in that area.

Justwar · Post #24 » by **Justwar** » Tue May 9, 2017 11:50 pm

Fox over the last month drastically shot better from all phases, with much less talent then Wall had, something like 40 percent from 3. His shot is purely mental because he shoots a pretty ball it just was rimming out. His float game is much better than Wall. Wall has better jumping ability and slightly better length. (betting by previous combine at uk numbers his length will be a inch or so longer.

jonjames · Post #25 » by **jonjames** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:22 am

Justwar wrote:Fox over the last month drastically shot better from all phases, with much less talent then Wall had, something like 40 percent from 3. His shot is purely mental because he shoots a pretty ball it just was rimming out. His float game is much better than Wall. Wall has better jumping ability and slightly better length. (betting by previous combine at uk numbers his length will be a inch or so longer.

I agree here..his mechanics look good and judging based off the latter half of the season as he gained more confidence in his shot it leads me to believe he can become a respectable shooter in the league.. I've seen wall at UK and judging strictly off the eye test Fox is quicker and a better leaper than wall both one and two feet..gets off the ground quicker.wall does have longer arms tho. Wall advantages are he is slightly better playmaker and posseses a bigger frame.

SelfishPlayer · Post #26 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Wed May 10, 2017 12:30 am

Proficiency from the college 3 point line is overblown. That same shot is a "bad two" or even midrange in the NBA. Fox worked on his college three point shot with coaches after practice resulting in his improvement in making that very shot which isn't highly valued in the pros. Kentucky coaching staff ensured that he was winded while taking the practice college 3 point shots so that the work could translate to games and it did. Being horrible college 3 point shooters as freshmen never stopped Jason Kidd, Kawhi Leonard, and Ariza from becoming quality NBA 3 point shooters.

Pinkyring · Post #27 » by **Pinkyring** » Wed May 10, 2017 2:49 pm

I actually see russell westbrook light

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #28 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Wed May 10, 2017 4:01 pm

The_Hater wrote:
SactownHrtBrks8 wrote:I think De'Aaron Fox is better prospect than Dennis Schroeder. I am not sure if he is as good as Wall as a prospects, but i can seeing him being that level production after a couple years.

He could definitely be better than Schroder, we already see most of what Schroeder is so it's easy to declare a prospect you like will be better, but he could also end up being worse.

He definitely seems cut out of the Schroder/Jennings mold. He could become as good as Conley but that would surprise me. I don't suspect that he will be a bust but as the league trends toward 3 point shooting he's going to need to become somewhat competent in that area.

When i say better prospect, i meant when they both were coming out. He is just a more highly touted prospect, considered to have better athleticism, etc... There is always the chance that Fox ends up a lot worse than Schroder.

Schroder is a damn good player. I like him and would love him on the Kings. I just do not see why that is the only comparison for Fox

Chris76 · Post #29 » by **Chris76** » Fri May 12, 2017 4:22 am

Schroder has definitely improved this year, with more responsibility. I could see Fox with same if not better playmaking skills. Also, i would love to see Fox, Covington, and Simmons at the 1, 2, and 3. The defense would be suffocating. They could be very aggresive, especially with Embiid protecting the rim.

Ettorefm · Post #30 » by **Ettorefm** » Fri May 12, 2017 6:23 pm

Chris76 wrote:Schroder has definitely improved this year, with more responsibility. I could see Fox with same if not better playmaking skills. Also, i would love to see Fox, Covington, and Simmons at the 1, 2, and 3. The defense would be suffocating. They could be very aggresive, especially with Embiid protecting the rim.

Not enough shooting.

Maybe having Simmons as the 4 and putting another shooter? Sure. MAybe an interesting lineup to try during the gamr would be Fox, Stauskas, Covington, Simmons and Embiid, or Fox, Stauskas, Simmons, Saric and Embiid

islanders11040 · Post #31 » by **islanders11040** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:31 pm

Fischella wrote:The closest comp is Tony Parker with less poise/shooting touch, more explosive (but dunno how useful is that in his case with his lack of strength/balance), something in between Schröder and Parker.

You give in and move him higher on your board yet? I know you weren't budging and had him in the 20's/low teens even after college basketball (march madness) ended.

Chris76 · Post #32 » by **Chris76** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:46 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
Chris76 wrote:Schroder has definitely improved this year, with more responsibility. I could see Fox with same if not better playmaking skills. Also, i would love to see Fox, Covington, and Simmons at the 1, 2, and 3. The defense would be suffocating. They could be very aggresive, especially with Embiid protecting the rim.

Not enough shooting.

Maybe having Simmons as the 4 and putting another shooter? Sure. MAybe an interesting lineup to try during the gamr would be Fox, Stauskas, Covington, Simmons and Embiid, or Fox, Stauskas, Simmons, Saric and Embiid

Shooting is something coach Brown will have to experiment with. Hopefully, fox and simmons become average outside shooters to go with their elite speed and athleticism. Simmons is such a unique player he will be difficult to defend, a mismatch problem. A 6'10 pass first pointguard that loves to dunk. The speed between fox and simmons would be very exciting in transition. However, tatum and monk are better pure shooters and could be safer picks. The sixers are set to add a few needed pieces to a promising group of young improving prospects. Hats off to the coaching staff working with all the players.

jonjames · Post #33 » by **jonjames** » Sat May 13, 2017 3:12 pm

Fox's draft situation is reminiscient of westbrook back in 08. Getting his stock to rise up as we get closer to draft. Westbrook was thought of as major reach at 4 and viewed as a lesser prospect than rose mayo gordon and bayless. At this current juncture he's overshadowed by fultz and ball..he's more raw than both but could end up being the best out of the three.

CptCrunch · Post #34 » by **CptCrunch** » Sat May 13, 2017 3:51 pm

jonjames wrote:Fox's draft situation is reminiscient of westbrook back in 08. Getting his stock to rise up as we get closer to draft. Westbrook was thought of as major reach at 4 and viewed as a lesser prospect than rose mayo gordon and bayless. At this current juncture he's overshadowed by fultz and ball..he's more raw than both but could end up being the best out of the three.

What kind of logic is this? Westbrook was an undervalued hidden talent, so Fox must be one?

What happened to massive pre-draft risers like Chriss, Bennett?

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #35 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Sat May 13, 2017 6:04 pm

jonjames wrote:Fox's draft situation is reminiscient of westbrook back in 08. Getting his stock to rise up as we get closer to draft. Westbrook was thought of as major reach at 4 and viewed as a lesser prospect than rose mayo gordon and bayless. At this current juncture he's overshadowed by fultz and ball..he's more raw than both but could end up being the best out of the three.

I see This more as DSJ than Fox honestly. Everybody loves Fox

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Damkac · Post #36 » by **Damkac** » Sat May 13, 2017 9:59 pm

paulbball wrote:
jonjames wrote:Fox's draft situation is reminiscient of westbrook back in 08. Getting his stock to rise up as we get closer to draft. Westbrook was thought of as major reach at 4 and viewed as a lesser prospect than rose mayo gordon and bayless. At this current juncture he's overshadowed by fultz and ball..he's more raw than both but could end up being the best out of the three.

What kind of logic is this? Westbrook was an undervalued hidden talent, so Fox must be one?

What happened to massive pre-draft risers like Chriss, Bennett?

Marquese Chriss was one of the best rookies this season. 7th in win shares and everyone above him is at least 3 years older. http://bkref.com/tiny/nx9jB He is very bad example for what you are trying to say.

CptCrunch · Post #37 » by **CptCrunch** » Sat May 13, 2017 10:16 pm

Damkac wrote:
paulbball wrote:
jonjames wrote:Fox's draft situation is reminiscient of westbrook back in 08. Getting his stock to rise up as we get closer to draft. Westbrook was thought of as major reach at 4 and viewed as a lesser prospect than rose mayo gordon and bayless. At this current juncture he's overshadowed by fultz and ball..he's more raw than both but could end up being the best out of the three.

What kind of logic is this? Westbrook was an undervalued hidden talent, so Fox must be one?

What happened to massive pre-draft risers like Chriss, Bennett?

Marquese Chriss was one of the best rookies this season. 7th in win shares and everyone above him is at least 3 years older. http://bkref.com/tiny/nx9jB He is very bad example for what you are trying to say.

No, that is not right. Chriss had good stats but he jumped 10-15 ranks during the combine based on how athletic he was.

Damkac · Post #38 » by **Damkac** » Sat May 13, 2017 11:52 pm

I thought what you mean is "if you draft a massive pre-draft risers they can be bust like Bennett and Chriss". Maybe I misunderstand you.
If I remember correctly Fox was mostly projected around 10th pick earlier. If he goes 4th or 5th it won't be that big jump.

Justwar · Post #39 » by **Justwar** » Sun May 14, 2017 3:05 am

I have it that the 76ers gave fox a promise if he slips to there spot

Post #40 » by **GimmeDat** » Sun May 14, 2017 5:19 am

Justwar wrote:I have it that the 76ers gave fox a promise if he slips to there spot

I'd be kind of surprised about that. I mean, they need a PG, but Fox isn't the type of PG that fits.