I need intel on Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

[Marcus]

Anyone see an eventual point forward role for him?

ummmm as a member of this team perhaps considering the plethora of guards they already have.

I wondered about that. He actually seemed like a better fit for the Hornets as currently constructed. With that said, you've gotta figure West does not plan to sit idle.

Yeah I think Jerry West can lowkey keep Doc Rivers employed for a few more terms due to how he seems to see things others don't. Somebody on that roster that handles the ball has to be moveable in a way that won't seem likely but somehow nets the Clips a perfect fit next to whatever long term vision Jerry has.

[dukes_wild]

[Marcus]

I ain't mad at that stylistically. big Delon fan and i hope he gets to remain if/when they blow that thing up over there.

[The-Power]

Oh, but I saw this one coming when I posted. I'm ready for this. I was born ready and I'll always be ready for this.

I will leave it here to avoid derailing too much further but your semantics are whack. Asteroids move. Meteors fall, as by definition they have entered the Earth's atmosphere and are being controlled by frickin' gravity.

considering how much i love reading post from both of you i'd love to sit in on this debate if you guys happen to take it somewhere else lol.

No need, I admit defeat. It's not my field of study and it showed and backfired.

From here on out it shall be all about SGA, forgive me the final drift into OT.

[TKainZero]

Good points. I think he would be fine at around 200 lbs. Needs to gain 15-20. Plenty of skinny guys bulk up once in league. KD never did, but not sure he can survive as a guy who slashes if hes getting hit by 250+ lbs guys who are much stronger every night. I remember Steph Curry did a great job of getting bigger and stronger without losing quickness.

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Kevin Durant is like 30 pounds heavier than he was when he entered the league, what are you talking about?

Really? I must of missed that. I'm seeing him at 240 now (which is no doubt generous, some have him at 230), he was measured as 220 for draft. So at MOST 20 lbs, probably more like 10-15 realistically

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Durant was about 180 when he came in ( I believe he said this)
If he is 240 now, that’s a 33% Increase

Which is huge!!!
Which means, durrant might of had one of the largest “bulk ups” in nba history during his career

[OkcSinceSGA]

Kevin Durant is like 30 pounds heavier than he was when he entered the league, what are you talking about?

Really? I must of missed that. I'm seeing him at 240 now (which is no doubt generous, some have him at 230), he was measured as 220 for draft. So at MOST 20 lbs, probably more like 10-15 realistically

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Durant was about 180 when he came in ( I believe he said this)
If he is 240 now, that’s a 33% Increase

Which is huge!!!
Which means, durrant might of had one of the largest “bulk ups” in nba history during his career

If indeed draftexpress is wrong sure. Physically I just dont see it. I realize he's 6'11 but 40 lbs of mostly muscle is MASSIVE and noticeable. The Hollywood actors we see transforming their bodies for superhero roles typically gain like 15 lbs muscle to give you a reference point. Sure, most of them are 6'1 to 6'3 but still...

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[No-Man]

He is like Ginobili with no real burst, if you are trying to be optimistic
You can compare Jerome Robinson with Harden minus the strength too, unlikely that either of them are ever good enough to be starting together in a backcourt I'd say

[clyde21]

I see what Jerry West was trying to do here with SGA and Robinson but I'm just not a fan of the talent that high.

[OkcSinceSGA]

He is like Ginobili with no real burst, if you are trying to be optimistic
You can compare Jerome Robinson with Harden minus the strength too, unlikely that either of them are ever good enough to be starting together in a backcourt I'd say

Even If they are really poor man versions of those guys... they should at least be starters for years.

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[clyde21]

He is like Ginobili with no real burst, if you are trying to be optimistic
You can compare Jerome Robinson with Harden minus the strength too, unlikely that either of them are ever good enough to be starting together in a backcourt I'd say

Even If they are really poor man versions of those guys... they should at least be starters for years.

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Either way West has earned the benefit of the doubt on multiple fronts so it's a wait and see for me.

At the very least I can see what he's trying to do, and it's the direction I think we're going to see moving forward on all teams...combo guards that play both on and off-ball and that's SGA and Robinson. Utah did it too grabbing Grayson to pair with Mitchell, Mavs with DSJ and Doncic, etc. This is the trend now so it makes sense from that standpoint.

[No-Man]

He is like Ginobili with no real burst, if you are trying to be optimistic
You can compare Jerome Robinson with Harden minus the strength too, unlikely that either of them are ever good enough to be starting together in a backcourt I'd say

Even If they are really poor man versions of those guys... they should at least be starters for years.

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Either way West has earned the benefit of the doubt on multiple fronts so it's a wait and see for me.

At the very least I can see what he's trying to do, and it's the direction I think we're going to see moving forward on all teams...combo guards that play both on and off-ball and that's SGA and Robinson. Utah did it too grabbing Grayson to pair with Mitchell, Mavs with DSJ and Doncic, etc. This is the trend now so it makes sense from that standpoint.

Luka is not a guard, and he is going to play a bunch of PF

You better have a damn elite front-court player somewhere to get away with SGA-Robinson as your starting backcourt, just not enough there to lead you anywhere

[OkcSinceSGA]

Even If they are really poor man versions of those guys... they should at least be starters for years.

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Either way West has earned the benefit of the doubt on multiple fronts so it's a wait and see for me.

At the very least I can see what he's trying to do, and it's the direction I think we're going to see moving forward on all teams...combo guards that play both on and off-ball and that's SGA and Robinson. Utah did it too grabbing Grayson to pair with Mitchell, Mavs with DSJ and Doncic, etc. This is the trend now so it makes sense from that standpoint.

Luka is not a guard, and he is going to play a bunch of PF

You better have a damn elite front-court player somewhere to get away with SGA-Robinson as your starting backcourt, just not enough there to lead you anywhere

Comon man. These types of absolute speaking posts have literally zero value. You have no damn clue whether or not these guys will pan out, so all you risk is making yourself look dumb. Say you don't believe in them, but don't state it factually.

[Klomp]

So from watching hours of film+opinions from people on Youtube this is a conclusion I've come to regarding his upside, and would like correction and or additional information if you guys would be so kind.

-His upside is huge on defense. He is not only really promising as a man defender, but has great instincts in the passing lanes where his length is disruptive. I read that he has a knack for getting steals from poking the ball out when being posted up.

-His upside on offense is pretty small. Basically most scouting reports seem to indicate that if he can be something like a 10 point per game, 5 assist guy at the pro level and just not hurt you on offense, that's about as good as it gets. These reports say his shot is slow and predictable, therefor they don't expect much offensively at the next level.

- Intangibles such as work ethic, leadership, toughness and IQ though are supposed to be really good.

Overall upside projection via various reports: High quality starter for years with almost no chance at ever being an all star or franchise player. Comparison- Shaun Livingston pre injury.

Does this seem pretty accurate?

Nailed it.

This might be just as bad though...

Luka is not a guard, and he is going to play a bunch of PF

[EvanZ]

I guess it worked out for the OP.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I love reading old threads full of embarrassing takes

[azcatz11]

I guess it worked out for the OP.

You liked Huerter better than SGA? Wow

[76ciology]

Basically VJ Edgecombe this year

Jrue Holiday type impact if he works out?

Too early to say he's just going to be a role player on offense. His shot is far from broken, he shot over 40% (SSS) from 3 and 80% FT. The Clippers wouldn't have drafted him that high if they didn't see potential on offense

So from watching hours of film+opinions from people on Youtube this is a conclusion I've come to regarding his upside, and would like correction and or additional information if you guys would be so kind.

-His upside is huge on defense. He is not only really promising as a man defender, but has great instincts in the passing lanes where his length is disruptive. I read that he has a knack for getting steals from poking the ball out when being posted up.

-His upside on offense is pretty small. Basically most scouting reports seem to indicate that if he can be something like a 10 point per game, 5 assist guy at the pro level and just not hurt you on offense, that's about as good as it gets. These reports say his shot is slow and predictable, therefor they don't expect much offensively at the next level.

- Intangibles such as work ethic, leadership, toughness and IQ though are supposed to be really good.

Overall upside projection via various reports: High quality starter for years with almost no chance at ever being an all star or franchise player. Comparison- Shaun Livingston pre injury.

Does this seem pretty accurate?

[EvanZ]

I guess it worked out for the OP.

You liked Huerter better than SGA? Wow

Yes and clearly that was wrong.

[Klomp]

I guess it worked out for the OP.

You liked Huerter better than SGA? Wow

Yes and clearly that was wrong.

I famously thought Meyers Leonard had more upside than Anthony Davis. It happens to all of us....

[OkcSinceSGA]

This is apparently when I was at my lowest ever on him with no knowledge before his rookie year. Even in my best predictions I had him peaking as a few time all star. Not an MVP and champion before Jordan’s age of his first ring.

He’s moving fast up the all time guard ladder.