Josh Green

[GimmeDat]

He's the prospect a team that wants to contend in the next few years will want to take IMO. SG has the smallest talent depth in the league and he could be a top 10 SG in the NBA after 2 seasons.

I stand by my initial assessment as a Waiters with strong BBIQ. Josh isn't slashing as much as I expected, I don't know if it's the gameplan in Arizona or if he's pulled back a bit.

I don't see the similarity with Waiters.

Isn't Waiters an undersized, no defense SG who dribbles a lot and has a propensity for low percentage off the dribble looks?

Green seems more limited with the ball in his hands, but bigger, plays a lot harder, good on defense, and as you said, smarter.

Would definitely be stoked if he became a top 10 SG at any point.

[zimpy27]

He's the prospect a team that wants to contend in the next few years will want to take IMO. SG has the smallest talent depth in the league and he could be a top 10 SG in the NBA after 2 seasons.

I stand by my initial assessment as a Waiters with strong BBIQ. Josh isn't slashing as much as I expected, I don't know if it's the gameplan in Arizona or if he's pulled back a bit.

I don't see the similarity with Waiters.

Isn't Waiters an undersized, no defense SG who dribbles a lot and has a propensity for low percentage off the dribble looks?

Green seems more limited with the ball in his hands, but bigger, plays a lot harder, good on defense, and as you said, smarter.

Would definitely be stoked if he became a top 10 SG at any point.

I don't think Waiters is undersized, he's shorter but he's strong bodied and seems similarly athletic as Josh. Josh could dribble more and could take poor shots but that's where knowing his abilities is important and being smarter.

Dion was his teams best perimeter defender in college and has shown flashes when he's been healthy and well conditioned.

I guess I make most of my estimations on what Waiters had the ability to be and at sometimes showed it. I think Waiters made a lot of poor choices and the derailed him.

[doordoor123]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

[GimmeDat]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

You lost me at bad defender. I feel like there's heaps of evidence out there that he's an extremely good one.

[Catchall]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

He's actually a good defender--both on and off the ball, a good catch-and-shoot shooter, and a better driver than he showed at Arizona. He's not an elite finisher or scorer off the dribble at this point, but he deserves his ranking as a top-20 pick. He's a legit 3D wing.

[doordoor123]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

You lost me at bad defender. I feel like there's heaps of evidence out there that he's an extremely good one.

He doesn’t get over screens, he lets guys blow by him, and he overcommits on double teams. Is that good defense? Getting back in transition and getting into the passing lane isn’t the only defense played. Team defense is the most important part of defense.

[getrichordie]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

He's actually a good defender--both on and off the ball, a good catch-and-shoot shooter, and a better driver than he showed at Arizona. He's not an elite finisher or scorer off the dribble at this point, but he deserves his ranking as a top-20 pick. He's a legit 3D wing.

I agree he is a a good defender. I think he is probably around a league average 3P shooter (36%) and maybe could get a little more efficient. I don't understand you saying he is a better driver than he showed in college. What is the line of reasoning behind this conclusion?

[GimmeDat]

:noway:

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

You lost me at bad defender. I feel like there's heaps of evidence out there that he's an extremely good one.

He doesn’t get over screens, he lets guys blow by him, and he overcommits on double teams. Is that good defense? Getting back in transition and getting into the passing lane isn’t the only defense played. Team defense is the most important part of defense.

Our observations might have to differ on that one. Seems like an extremely smart team defender, and barely ever gets blown by, he's exceptionally good at staying in front of guys.

[The-Power]

You lost me at bad defender. I feel like there's heaps of evidence out there that he's an extremely good one.

Agreed. He's been an excellent defender in college, so that's a really odd take.

[jezzerinho]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

Agree on the lack of feel thing. Not just touch at the rim but feel for the game in general. It's all very hustle and bustle with him, which bodes well for high effort but not for patience and BBIQ.

He could make it but agree it will take time ....

[No-Man]

I am gonna buy in on Josh even with the lack of offense just because he is extremely fast, jacked, natural athlete, not elite but very good and has some passing feel, esp in transition and the semblance of a jumper, raw athletes who work, are physical and can play always pan out and have hopes of high upside, and the only two guys of that ilk in this class are him and Okoro

They are not Westbrook/Oladipo level of athletes to be sure, but even if a tad below, they are still guys I am buying at some point, (Okoro lower than consensus and Green higher) I have them very close to each other in the late lotto/teens

[juanc]

I would love to see Josh in Dallas and I think that he's a great fit there.

[NotACat]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

Agree on the lack of feel thing. Not just touch at the rim but feel for the game in general. It's all very hustle and bustle with him, which bodes well for high effort but not for patience and BBIQ.

He could make it but agree it will take time ....

From what I saw, I think his BBIQ is pretty high. He's extremely quick to decide whether to catch-and-shoot or drive and almost always picks correctly.

He's also elite at repositioning off the ball and always relocates after passing

[doordoor123]

You lost me at bad defender. I feel like there's heaps of evidence out there that he's an extremely good one.

Agreed. He's been an excellent defender in college, so that's a really odd take.

Defense isn’t a one-trick pony, there are multiple components to defense. He does some stuff really well and other stuff really poorly.

[clyde21]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

lol when u said he's a bad defender that rendered everything else u said moot, u clearly haven't really watched him

[Catchall]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

He's actually a good defender--both on and off the ball, a good catch-and-shoot shooter, and a better driver than he showed at Arizona. He's not an elite finisher or scorer off the dribble at this point, but he deserves his ranking as a top-20 pick. He's a legit 3D wing.

I agree he is a a good defender. I think he is probably around a league average 3P shooter (36%) and maybe could get a little more efficient. I don't understand you saying he is a better driver than he showed in college. What is the line of reasoning behind this conclusion?

He showed more ability and initiative to drive at the Nike Hoop Summits. He showed some handle, change of direction and a bit of shiftiness. At AZ, he mostly floated around the perimeter and faced up.

[getrichordie]

He's actually a good defender--both on and off the ball, a good catch-and-shoot shooter, and a better driver than he showed at Arizona. He's not an elite finisher or scorer off the dribble at this point, but he deserves his ranking as a top-20 pick. He's a legit 3D wing.

I agree he is a a good defender. I think he is probably around a league average 3P shooter (36%) and maybe could get a little more efficient. I don't understand you saying he is a better driver than he showed in college. What is the line of reasoning behind this conclusion?

He showed more ability and initiative to drive at the Nike Hoop Summits. He showed some handle, change of direction and a bit of shiftiness. At AZ, he mostly floated around the perimeter and faced up.

I'm not sure how that explains his subpar finishing #s @ 'Zona.

[Catchall]

I agree he is a a good defender. I think he is probably around a league average 3P shooter (36%) and maybe could get a little more efficient. I don't understand you saying he is a better driver than he showed in college. What is the line of reasoning behind this conclusion?

He showed more ability and initiative to drive at the Nike Hoop Summits. He showed some handle, change of direction and a bit of shiftiness. At AZ, he mostly floated around the perimeter and faced up.

I'm not sure how that explains his subpar finishing #s @ 'Zona.

Yeah, he's not an elite scorer off the dribble or finisher. He needs to work on those things. He's young enough though that I don't think it's a big concern.

[doordoor123]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

lol when u said he's a bad defender that rendered everything else u said moot, u clearly haven't really watched him

He’s a bad team defender, which is defense.

[clyde21]

Finally found the Josh Green thread. Geez, these stupid consensus threads taking over the entire forum. They’re threads that don’t even make sense.

ANYWAY I’m not sold on Josh Green. He has no feel for the basket. I get it super athletic, prototypical size, can handle a little. But his timing and feel for the basket are pretty bad. Reminds me of another guy with the last name Green. Gerald. He also seems incapable of finishing with his left hand. He’s also a pretty bad defender. This guy needs a lot of work even if he does have some pretty flashy stuff. I’m not getting the type for a top pick. This is Thon Maker-level over-reading. IMO Green could use college for another three years. Sure, in time he can become really good, but it’s not going to be for a long time. Like his third contract at least. And by then he might just be another Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. To me sure end of the first round, but I don’t buy him at all from 1-25 personally. These are real issues he has.

lol when u said he's a bad defender that rendered everything else u said moot, u clearly haven't really watched him

He’s a bad team defender, which is defense.

no he's not, but let's entertain this

if he's a bad team defender, who in your top10 is a good team defender?