Duke prospects thread 2021

Post #21 » by **AshyLarrysDiaper** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 1:46 am

Jalen Johnson is out here flailing.

Post #22 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 2:11 am

I'll stick with everything I said on the first page for all of the guys on this Duke roster.

clyde21 · Post #23 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 3:27 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I'll stick with everything I said on the first page for all of the guys on this Duke roster.

you're hard on Duke prospects lol..you're not gonna get a Zion/RJ/Cam go in the top10 every class lol

clyde21 · Post #24 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 3:29 am

i actually think Hurt is getting kinda underrated at this point, some people think he should stay in college or go to Euro but he's a late first rounder to me, I think he can carve out a role in the NBA for a while in the right fit.

Post #25 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 4:01 am

clyde21 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I'll stick with everything I said on the first page for all of the guys on this Duke roster.

you're hard on Duke prospects lol..you're not gonna get a Zion/RJ/Cam go in the top10 every class lol

Haha i don't think I'm being too hard on them. I've seen the elite prospects (top 5 pick worthy) walk through Duke and don't see any with this group. Again

Jalen: I see somewhere in the teens
Steward: not an NBA guy this year. Doesn't have the handle to create consistent separation enough to make up for his size or lack of explosion for being such a small 2.
Hurt: think his size and athleticism really limit him.
Moore: has the size you want in a wing, but doesn't have the skill set or raw athleticism (one of the most overrated high ranked Duke recruits in sometime for me, see nothing with him for the NBA level)
Roach: I think will be a very good multi year college player, could end up being a heady backup PG in the pros
Everyone else: either clear college guys like Baker or Goldwire, or they won't get enough consistent playing time.

So I think i may not speak about the pros as much with these guys because I watch them so much. But overall I don't think my positioning on them will be too off from the average view.

No-Man · Post #26 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 9:46 am

I agree with you on all of them outside of Jalen, I think he goes top10 and deservedly so, and Steward, who yeah, needs a better handle and feel for a PG, don't think he is a 2, but has some elite traits for an off-ball player and that's worth taking, I mean Terry went 31st and should've gone a bit higher, he can def be worth of a late 1st/early 2nd

Moore sucks, Roach may be a prospect by year 3, like an early 2nd back-up PG type

BostonCouchGM · Post #27 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Wed Dec 2, 2020 11:09 pm

this is the worst, or among the worst, Duke teams I've seen in decades.

Post #28 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:10 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:this is the worst, or among the worst, Duke teams I've seen in decades.

I dont think so, but K's coaching ability has been on a steady downward slope for awhile now, so this could end up being a pretty ugly season. K's prime is long behind him now.

clyde21 · Post #29 » by **clyde21** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:55 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:this is the worst, or among the worst, Duke teams I've seen in decades.

I dont think so, but K's coaching ability has been on a steady downward slope for awhile now, so this could end up being a pretty ugly season. K's prime is long behind him now.

he's just getting 1ADs, barely doing any actual play development at this point, system is blah

Post #30 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 6:18 am

clyde21 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:this is the worst, or among the worst, Duke teams I've seen in decades.

I dont think so, but K's coaching ability has been on a steady downward slope for awhile now, so this could end up being a pretty ugly season. K's prime is long behind him now.

he's just getting 1ADs, barely doing any actual play development at this point, system is blah

The system isnt just blah, its bad. I still remember Angel Rodriguez (Miami PG) calling out K after a game. Just put his defensive strategy on blast. After that, K did some coaching and put Winslow at the 4 and boy oh boy did that entire defense rely on Winslow plugging every hole.

Defensively the system is a joke. The super high-pressure defense worked when teams only had 2-3 guys that could shoot 3s. Because that would leave 2-3 guys chasing guys 30ft away from the basket but still having 2 guys camping near the basket. So it was still pretty easy to help. But once teams started having 4-5 guys that could shoot, guess what now you got 4-5 guys playing up into their man's jersey out on the perimeter, all it takes is one PnR or one blown assignment and its a layup line for the offense. This is essentially what Rodriguez said on TV after Miami beat Duke that year. But K was able to slide Winslow to the 4 and Winslow again just played superman for that defense. Zion played a very similar role which allowed Duke to have a good defense that year with that team. But if you dont got that freak wing that can defend out on the perimeter, have no hesitation on a rotation, then have no issue defending bigs as well. There are just way too many holes in that kind of defense.

Offensively I mean, you have Zion but you practically never use him in a PnR? Like really? Hell, I believe Ayton was used in PnR as much as Bagley and Wendell were combined a few years back. There really is no creativity on the offensive side anymore. Its really gotten to the point of, just roll the ball out there and let them figure it out.

When you look at the amount of talent that has put on a Duke jersey since 2015 and not a single trip to a Final Four in that time span. I wish prime K was able to coach some of these teams over the last few years. That wouldve been a blast to watch.

EvanZ · Post #31 » by **EvanZ** » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:31 pm

Not sure I buy Jalen Johnson fully. I get the passing and size. Ball handling seems good for his size, but I don't see elite creation ability really. I am concerned about him on defense and the shooting. Probably still top 10 or late lotto at worst though.

Patsfan1081 · Post #32 » by **Patsfan1081** » Fri Dec 4, 2020 2:25 am

EvanZ wrote:Not sure I buy Jalen Johnson fully. I get the passing and size. Ball handling seems good for his size, but I don't see elite creation ability really. I am concerned about him on defense and the shooting. Probably still top 10 or late lotto at worst though.

He’s got a nice step back and good court awareness. I do see shades of Pierce in his game. I think he’ll put it together as the season goes on. I’m not really surprised these kids are looking lugging to start the year.

TraBuch · Post #33 » by **TraBuch** » Sat Dec 5, 2020 3:25 am

Jalen Johnson was showing some bad body language in today's game, getting mad at Mark Williams. K was jumping on him like I don't often see him jump on OADs.

Also, about 30 minutes after the game, he put up an IG post saying he misses Milkwaukee. Normally I'd just say it's a young kid getting homesick, but with the way he left IMG and other schools, there's some obvious maturity issues here.

Curious if he takes the entire thing to heart and gets better or if he just packs his bags and leaves, figuratively or literally.

Oh, and on another note, Wendell Moore might be the least talented player I've ever seen at Duke. Holy crap is he bad. He literally doesn't do one thing well.

clyde21 · Post #34 » by **clyde21** » Sat Dec 5, 2020 5:56 am

again I think Hurt's being undersold as a prospect right now, not a lotto or top 20 guy but I like him in the 20s for a team looking for a stretch 4 type to come off the bench for them, he can carve out a role in the NBA I don't think he's a euro guy at all.

Post #35 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 9, 2020 3:52 am

Without K I would not be a huge basketball fan. But man its time for him to hang it up. This is Mark Jackson/Jason Kidd level of just roll the ball out and let someone figure it out level of coaching from him.

Stillwater · Post #36 » by **Stillwater** » Wed Dec 9, 2020 4:26 am

not too impressed with anyone yet

clyde21 · Post #37 » by **clyde21** » Wed Dec 9, 2020 4:32 am

just realized how insane Johnson' vert is, dude's head almost tough the rim on that lob attempt, and looks like a legit 6-9 to me

Post #38 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 9, 2020 4:40 am

clyde21 wrote:just realized how insane Johnson' vert is, dude's head almost tough the rim on that lob attempt, and looks like a legit 6-9 to me

Ya he gets up pretty easily. He shows it a lot on a lot of the blocks he has been getting as well. Like I said in the other thread, I still question that foot speed for being a versatile player when it comes to being a 3-4 and a lack of versatility hurts nowadays. But with that vert, he plays strong and ya he looks all of 6'9. I can see the argument of taking him as a 4 and the ability to play small ball 5. That boosts his versatility.

Now he is being completely wasted on the offensive end so far. Ya lets keep having Goldwire (who is a stud defender) try and run the offense instead of the 6'9 point forward. And lets just keep putting him in the corner or in the dunker/garbage spot. K needs to hand the keys to the offense to him.

No-Man · Post #39 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 9, 2020 3:24 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Without K I would not be a huge basketball fan. But man its time for him to hang it up. This is Mark Jackson/Jason Kidd level of just roll the ball out and let someone figure it out level of coaching from him.

Been the same for 5+ years

God Squad · Post #40 » by **God Squad** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:23 am

Duke4life831 wrote:I'll stick with everything I said on the first page for all of the guys on this Duke roster.

Don't worry next year with Banchero and Griffin you guys should look much diffrent. Hopefully, Coach K doesn't mess it up lol.