Re: Kofi Cockburn
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:09 am
Great college player, but that’s where it ends in this country.
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jman3134 wrote:I'd put him closer to a 1st. He is a banger and that still has value.
clyde21 wrote:there is just no point in drafting him, you can get this type of player easily every year in FA or as an UDFA, it's better to use your draft pick elsewhere and and pick up someone like him off the wire instead.
DroseReturnChi wrote:clyde21 wrote:there is just no point in drafting him, you can get this type of player easily every year in FA or as an UDFA, it's better to use your draft pick elsewhere and and pick up someone like him off the wire instead.
that was how gs declined. kept neglecting centers to the point they had to use number 2 for a fit instead of bpa.
the thing is kofi isnt braindead like a mcgee to the point where he will stop developing and is a fast learner.
to say he should be undrafted is like saying mobley isnt top 5. As much as I think Mobley sucks and overrated, this draft isnt that good for him to fall.
EvanZ wrote:I love all the eye people who clearly don't watch much basketball.
jman3134 wrote:EvanZ wrote:I love all the eye people who clearly don't watch much basketball.
What's your stance?
jman3134 wrote:Legit question: could Shaq play in the modern NBA? (Kofi isn't Shaq, but this underscores a point)
jman3134 wrote:Legit question: could Shaq play in the modern NBA? (Kofi isn't Shaq, but this underscores a point)
EvanZ wrote:jman3134 wrote:Legit question: could Shaq play in the modern NBA? (Kofi isn't Shaq, but this underscores a point)
"Kofi is basically Embiid"
jman3134 wrote:The reason I am asking the question is not because Kofi is Shaq. At what point is a big man's productivity on offense enough to compensate for defensive limitations defending the perimeter? This extends to Shaq.
I made it clear in the post that Kofi is not close to Shaq. The question I am asking is very much legit. Every argument against Kofi can be applied to Shaq. He could also be Erick Dampier. My point is to have a discussion about this archetype of player. So if Kofi developed his post work, could he played in the NBA? Or he just never could because he is this type of player?
What is the point where offensive productivity is enough to negate defensive liability on the perimeter?
clyde21 wrote:jman3134 wrote:The reason I am asking the question is not because Kofi is Shaq. At what point is a big man's productivity on offense enough to compensate for defensive limitations defending the perimeter? This extends to Shaq.
I made it clear in the post that Kofi is not close to Shaq. The question I am asking is very much legit. Every argument against Kofi can be applied to Shaq. He could also be Erick Dampier. My point is to have a discussion about this archetype of player. So if Kofi developed his post work, could he played in the NBA? Or he just never could because he is this type of player?
What is the point where offensive productivity is enough to negate defensive liability on the perimeter?
no, this does not extend to Shaq, because Shaq had real ball skills for his size and was an outlier athlete, he was a mismatch nightmare in the post and would still be that today.
Kofi's best case scenario is what...Ian Mahinmi?
jman3134 wrote:The reason I am asking the question is not because Kofi is Shaq. At what point is a big man's productivity on offense enough to compensate for defensive limitations defending the perimeter? This extends to Shaq.
I made it clear in the post that Kofi is not close to Shaq. The question I am asking is very much legit. Every argument against Kofi can be applied to Shaq pertaining to defending on the perimeter. He could also be Erick Dampier. My point is to have a discussion about this archetype of player. So if Kofi developed his post work, could he played in the NBA? Or he just never could because he is this type of player?
What is the point where offensive productivity is enough to negate defensive liability on the perimeter?
clyde21 wrote:
Kofi's best case scenario is what...Ian Mahinmi?
jman3134 wrote:clyde21 wrote:jman3134 wrote:The reason I am asking the question is not because Kofi is Shaq. At what point is a big man's productivity on offense enough to compensate for defensive limitations defending the perimeter? This extends to Shaq.
I made it clear in the post that Kofi is not close to Shaq. The question I am asking is very much legit. Every argument against Kofi can be applied to Shaq. He could also be Erick Dampier. My point is to have a discussion about this archetype of player. So if Kofi developed his post work, could he played in the NBA? Or he just never could because he is this type of player?
What is the point where offensive productivity is enough to negate defensive liability on the perimeter?
no, this does not extend to Shaq, because Shaq had real ball skills for his size and was an outlier athlete, he was a mismatch nightmare in the post and would still be that today.
Kofi's best case scenario is what...Ian Mahinmi?
Every argument pertaining to the ability to defend on the perimeter and outside in P&R***. I should have been more clear. Helpside recovery concerns that you and Fischella brought up are obviously something different altogether.
Kofi is not Shaq. The athletic comparison is not close - the defensive impact is not close. My question is: how valuable is perimeter defense for bigs in the modern NBA and at what point does interior offensive efficiency outweigh perimeter D liability?
Is there room for offensive impact for bigs who can't defend on the perimeter? I think it comes down to rim protection, which is the most statistically significant characteristic for a big. You can't have a guy with short arms like Okafor. Kofi has a 7'6 wingspan. Kofi obviously would need to become more mobile for helpside recovery - that is what I think you guys are pointing out. Can this be improved upon?
Best case imo, he is Dwight Howard in the playoffs last year for the Lakers, but with a more sizable offensive impact potentially. This presumes some level of improvement in mobility, yes.