Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga

namlede · Post #21 » by **namlede** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:43 pm

I'd take Chet #1 overall in last year's draft( without hindsight, mobley).

his body is his only weakness, everything else is decent to solid and his length mindset is elite.

I will take that gamble on his body because if he is able to add enough strength he will be an all around beast who contributes to winning in so many ways.

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BlazersBroncos · Post #22 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:52 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Yep, seems like the hype has considerably cooled down.

I feel like Holmgren was somewhat overrated coming into the season. Is he an upgraded Porzingis, as a prospect?

I think he is much more coachable with a better motor than KP. And that makes a big difference.

Zinger had a more consistent jumper though, but I like Chet's form.

I think he is still a top 3 talent.

Coeur · Post #23 » by **Coeur** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:24 am

Those couple early season losses will help this season more than hurt.

Gonzaga is going to win it all this year. This team is better than last years team.

Chet is special. He’s long term but also right now guy. Definitely 1-3 or 4 pick. Chet will be such a better 2 way player and ball handler than KP was ever going to be. Different players

crows2 · Post #24 » by **crows2** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:49 am

Coeur wrote:Those couple early season losses will help this season more than hurt.

Gonzaga is going to win it all this year. This team is better than last years team.

Chet is special. He’s long term but also right now guy. Definitely 1-3 or 4 pick. Chet will be such a better 2 way player and ball handler than KP was ever going to be. Different players

What’s the evidence for them being a better team than last year?

God Squad · Post #25 » by **God Squad** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:52 am

crows2 wrote:
Coeur wrote:Those couple early season losses will help this season more than hurt.

Gonzaga is going to win it all this year. This team is better than last years team.

Chet is special. He’s long term but also right now guy. Definitely 1-3 or 4 pick. Chet will be such a better 2 way player and ball handler than KP was ever going to be. Different players

What’s the evidence for them being a better team than last year?

None so far. Obviously they can win it all, but the assumption that they'll win it all and are better is nothing but conjecture.

whitehops · Post #26 » by **whitehops** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:45 pm

i often see chet being labeled a PF or a F/C but he clearly looks like a center to me. putting him more on the perimeter just takes him away from the paint, which is where he dominates on both ends.

am i missing something?

EMG518 · Post #27 » by **EMG518** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:34 pm

whitehops wrote:i often see chet being labeled a PF or a F/C but he clearly looks like a center to me. putting him more on the perimeter just takes him away from the paint, which is where he dominates on both ends.

am i missing something?

He is 195 lbs so most want him to start his career at the 4 until he gets used to the league and develops more physically.

Ell Curry · Post #28 » by **Ell Curry** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:39 am

whitehops wrote:i often see chet being labeled a PF or a F/C but he clearly looks like a center to me. putting him more on the perimeter just takes him away from the paint, which is where he dominates on both ends.

am i missing something?

Just that he'll get sealed and posted up inside by big centers. Same reason Chris Boucher puts up good numbers but isn't a particularly highly valued center. If he gets posted up by a big center you have to double to help him out and Nurse keeps trying to move him to the 4 but the Raptors have no 5s and 2 good starting 4s.

ReginaldDwight · Post #29 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Tue Jan 4, 2022 7:40 pm

WCC being shut down really sucks, its probably the most stacked its been in years hopefully they get the games played with the top teams.

Hal14 · Post #30 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jan 4, 2022 8:49 pm

EMG518 wrote:
whitehops wrote:i often see chet being labeled a PF or a F/C but he clearly looks like a center to me. putting him more on the perimeter just takes him away from the paint, which is where he dominates on both ends.

am i missing something?

He is 195 lbs so most want him to start his career at the 4 until he gets used to the league and develops more physically.

Exactly.

Can you name any other centers in today's NBA who are 195 lbs or less?

Hell, can you name any PFs in today's NBA who are 195 lbs or less?

Pretty much anyone in today's NBA who's 195 lbs or less is a guard - with maybe a few SFs.

Not to mention, he's quick enough to play the 4 - good enough shooter, passer, ball handler to play the 4 (instead of the 5).

Good finisher near the rim and good rim protector - but those are both things that you like to see in a 4 (not things that you ONLY see in a 5)

Coxy · Post #31 » by **Coxy** » Tue Jan 4, 2022 9:26 pm

Hal14 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
whitehops wrote:i often see chet being labeled a PF or a F/C but he clearly looks like a center to me. putting him more on the perimeter just takes him away from the paint, which is where he dominates on both ends.

am i missing something?

He is 195 lbs so most want him to start his career at the 4 until he gets used to the league and develops more physically.

Exactly.

Can you name any other centers in today's NBA who are 195 lbs or less?

Hell, can you name any PFs in today's NBA who are 195 lbs or less?

Pretty much anyone in today's NBA who's 195 lbs or less is a guard - with maybe a few SFs.

Not to mention, he's quick enough to play the 4 - good enough shooter, passer, ball handler to play the 4 (instead of the 5).

Good finisher near the rim and good rim protector - but those are both things that you like to see in a 4 (not things that you ONLY see in a 5)

The team that drafts him will put him on 10-12 week "Diet", and get him up to 205/210 in no time. Evan Mobley is listed at 215, so I see no reason to think that with a serious NBA diet program (especially that off-season gains diet wink wink), that he won't fill out to fit the new age C role in the NBA.

Hal14 · Post #32 » by **Hal14** » Tue Jan 4, 2022 10:12 pm

Coxy wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
He is 195 lbs so most want him to start his career at the 4 until he gets used to the league and develops more physically.

Exactly.

Can you name any other centers in today's NBA who are 195 lbs or less?

Hell, can you name any PFs in today's NBA who are 195 lbs or less?

Pretty much anyone in today's NBA who's 195 lbs or less is a guard - with maybe a few SFs.

Not to mention, he's quick enough to play the 4 - good enough shooter, passer, ball handler to play the 4 (instead of the 5).

Good finisher near the rim and good rim protector - but those are both things that you like to see in a 4 (not things that you ONLY see in a 5)

The team that drafts him will put him on 10-12 week "Diet", and get him up to 205/210 in no time. Evan Mobley is listed at 215, so I see no reason to think that with a serious NBA diet program (especially that off-season gains diet wink wink), that he won't fill out to fit the new age C role in the NBA.

mobley is 215, so that's 20 lbs more than chet. putting on 20 lbs is easier said than done - especially doing it after the draft and be all done by opening night. even still, mobley is playing mostly PF with allen at center.

and even if you reach and call mobley a center, he's one of the smallest centers in the league. guys like mobley and isaiah jackson being skinny 5's are the exception - not the norm. most centers today are 230+ lbs

Also, Chet will want to be careful adding too much weight because that will likely make him slower and a big part of his appeal is how quick (and how skilled) he is for a 7-footer. too much added weight (especially in too short of a time) could also mess up his shot.

I think ideal would be if he can get to 210 lbs. Play mostly the 4, with a little bit of 5 if he team goes small..

Coxy · Post #33 » by **Coxy** » Tue Jan 4, 2022 10:20 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Coxy wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Exactly.

Can you name any other centers in today's NBA who are 195 lbs or less?

Hell, can you name any PFs in today's NBA who are 195 lbs or less?

Pretty much anyone in today's NBA who's 195 lbs or less is a guard - with maybe a few SFs.

Not to mention, he's quick enough to play the 4 - good enough shooter, passer, ball handler to play the 4 (instead of the 5).

Good finisher near the rim and good rim protector - but those are both things that you like to see in a 4 (not things that you ONLY see in a 5)

The team that drafts him will put him on 10-12 week "Diet", and get him up to 205/210 in no time. Evan Mobley is listed at 215, so I see no reason to think that with a serious NBA diet program (especially that off-season gains diet wink wink), that he won't fill out to fit the new age C role in the NBA.

mobley is 215, so that's 20 lbs more than chet. putting on 20 lbs is easier said than done - especially doing it after the draft and be all done by opening night. even still, mobley is playing mostly PF with allen at center.

and even if you reach and call mobley a center, he's one of the smallest centers in the league. guys like mobley and isaiah jackson being skinny 5's are the exception - not the norm. most centers today are 230+ lbs

Also, Chet will want to be careful adding too much weight because that will likely make him slower and a big part of his appeal is how quick (and how skilled) he is for a 7-footer. too much added weight (especially in too short of a time) could also mess up his shot.

I think ideal would be if he can get to 210 lbs. Play mostly the 4, with a little bit of 5 if he team goes small..

He'll add weight over time through just diet and weight training, it may take a 3-4-5-6 years however for that to fully happen. I don't see it being a problem though, as I have friends that have packed on muscle quickly through "Shred diets", which last 6-8 weeks of intense muscle bulking, with the help of legal and illegal substances. A lot of athletes do this as they get towards the pro's. It's all done out of season and off the grid, to get their bodies ready for the rigours of the early years of professional sports.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #34 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Fri Jan 7, 2022 4:42 pm

i loved chet coming out of hs and saw him as a future #1 overall, but he's been exposed a bit in cbb. i think he's going to struggle as a scorer in the league. he'll spot up from three and he'll block some shots, but otherwise with his slight build - and honestly a body type that won't allow him to put on much weight, he's going to struggle a bit offensively.

BlazersBroncos · Post #35 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Fri Jan 7, 2022 8:44 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:i loved chet coming out of hs and saw him as a future #1 overall, but he's been exposed a bit in cbb. i think he's going to struggle as a scorer in the league. he'll spot up from three and he'll block some shots, but otherwise with his slight build - and honestly a body type that won't allow him to put on much weight, he's going to struggle a bit offensively.

Anyone who expected Chet to be a great or even good scorer was looking at his traits the wrong way. He just isnt aggressive or selfish enough to be an elite scorer. What he can be is an elite 2nd option who gives you transformative defensive, rarely plays 'pound the ball', makes the right / unselfish decisions, hits the open 3 and gets buckets on cuts.

He is still a special prospect, but more of a supercharged PF version of Myles Turner than the next Dirk.

I think 18-20ppg / 8-10rpg / 2.5-3.5apg / 2.5-3bpg with elite advanced metrics and the type of play that just helps teams win is what to expect.

He is the absolute perfect prospect for my team, the Blazers, given our surplus of scoring and lack of defense and unselfish play.

XTC · Post #36 » by **XTC** » Sun Jan 9, 2022 8:37 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:i loved chet coming out of hs and saw him as a future #1 overall, but he's been exposed a bit in cbb. i think he's going to struggle as a scorer in the league. he'll spot up from three and he'll block some shots, but otherwise with his slight build - and honestly a body type that won't allow him to put on much weight, he's going to struggle a bit offensively.

Anyone who expected Chet to be a great or even good scorer was looking at his traits the wrong way. He just isnt aggressive or selfish enough to be an elite scorer. What he can be is an elite 2nd option who gives you transformative defensive, rarely plays 'pound the ball', makes the right / unselfish decisions, hits the open 3 and gets buckets on cuts.

He is still a special prospect, but more of a supercharged PF version of Myles Turner than the next Dirk.

I think 18-20ppg / 8-10rpg / 2.5-3.5apg / 2.5-3bpg with elite advanced metrics and the type of play that just helps teams win is what to expect.

He is the absolute perfect prospect for my team, the Blazers, given our surplus of scoring and lack of defense and unselfish play.

Chet is the perfect prospect for most teams. What I'd do to have him on the Raptors. He may not be a #1 option, but I can see him being an elite #2 option offensively, with DPOY type impact.

He's still my #1

BlazersBroncos · Post #37 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sun Jan 9, 2022 8:52 pm

XTC wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:i loved chet coming out of hs and saw him as a future #1 overall, but he's been exposed a bit in cbb. i think he's going to struggle as a scorer in the league. he'll spot up from three and he'll block some shots, but otherwise with his slight build - and honestly a body type that won't allow him to put on much weight, he's going to struggle a bit offensively.

Anyone who expected Chet to be a great or even good scorer was looking at his traits the wrong way. He just isnt aggressive or selfish enough to be an elite scorer. What he can be is an elite 2nd option who gives you transformative defensive, rarely plays 'pound the ball', makes the right / unselfish decisions, hits the open 3 and gets buckets on cuts.

He is still a special prospect, but more of a supercharged PF version of Myles Turner than the next Dirk.

I think 18-20ppg / 8-10rpg / 2.5-3.5apg / 2.5-3bpg with elite advanced metrics and the type of play that just helps teams win is what to expect.

He is the absolute perfect prospect for my team, the Blazers, given our surplus of scoring and lack of defense and unselfish play.

Chet is the perfect prospect for most teams. What I'd do to have him on the Raptors. He may not be a #1 option, but I can see him being an elite #2 option offensively, with DPOY type impact.

He's still my #1

Same.

End of the day the route for Jabari Smith to be a elite player is really connected to scoring at a elite level. Chet has the ability to impact the game in a winning way in numerous ways.

reamily · Post #38 » by **reamily** » Sun Jan 9, 2022 11:42 pm

Flooring is ak 47?

reamily · Post #39 » by **reamily** » Sun Jan 9, 2022 11:47 pm

Flooring is ak 47? Thats good but you have to consider his frame and his health like houston..jalen green is gung ho and is 175 you dont want tgem to have two prospects that will lose time to innuries despite haing best skillsets in the world

Post #40 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:00 am

reamily wrote:Flooring is ak 47?

I know Im not the highest on Chet, but this seems unbelievably high expectations for him. He isnt nearly as athletic as AK47. AK47 was a long athletic 6'9 wing who could pretty much guard everyone 1-4. Chet hasnt shown anywhere near the kind of athleticism to be as versatile of a defender as AK47 was.