2021 NBA Draft, Part 2

[Charm]

16+14 Garuba leading Real Madrid to the Acb finals and making a three and a basket plus foul in the clutch. **** monster all the time playing in the Power Forward position that's even more impressive when he is more a center.

I have never seen a kid outmuscling and outrebound guys in the Acb like Garuba at his age what a **** motor he has the mentality that he has is really impressive. 14 rebounds in Europe is really hard, Most young player to catch 14 rebounds in a Acb Playoffs game and the most young who has done a double-double in the Playoff too. He had a double double in the first half and then he has won the game in the cluch well at the same time he almost lost the game with a stupid goaltending trying to catch the rebound of a 3 but he has fixed that play catching an offensive rebound a making a basket plus foul.

And shooting really well. The three isn't going to be a problem for him that's for sure he remember me of Kawhi in that aspect. Amazing how he has improved his shooting during the season

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Still don't trust him to be more than an efficient 4th/5th option offensively. But man, physically and athletically, he's a marvel when he turns it on. Mind blowing that the same guy who shut down Europe's best offensive backcourt in back-to-back Euroleague elimination games a few weeks ago now gobbles up 14 rebounds in an ACB League elimination game.

As I said before, any comparison to wings fails to capture what a force he can be in the paint. And any comparison to bigs does a disservice to his elite perimeter D. Just a remarkable talent.

[fteru6uhre54ew]

16+14 Garuba leading Real Madrid to the Acb finals and making a three and a basket plus foul in the clutch. **** monster all the time playing in the Power Forward position that's even more impressive when he is more a center.

I have never seen a kid outmuscling and outrebound guys in the Acb like Garuba at his age what a **** motor he has the mentality that he has is really impressive. 14 rebounds in Europe is really hard, Most young player to catch 14 rebounds in a Acb Playoffs game and the most young who has done a double-double in the Playoff too. He had a double double in the first half and then he has won the game in the cluch well at the same time he almost lost the game with a stupid goaltending trying to catch the rebound of a 3 but he has fixed that play catching an offensive rebound a making a basket plus foul.

And shooting really well. The three isn't going to be a problem for him that's for sure he remember me of Kawhi in that aspect. Amazing how he has improved his shooting during the season

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Still don't trust him to be more than an efficient 4th/5th option offensively. But man, physically and athletically, he's a marvel when he turns it on. Mind blowing that the same guy who shut down Europe's best offensive backcourt in back-to-back Euroleague elimination games a few weeks ago now gobbles up 14 rebounds in an ACB League elimination game.

As I said before, any comparison to wings fails to capture what a force he can be in the paint. And any comparison to bigs does a disservice to his elite perimeter D. Just a remarkable talent.

He faced all the series vs Derrick Williams and man how bad Dwill has looked next to him like a bad G-League player. Totally outplayed you can tell that the man was Garuba and the kid Williams. He has an special body but an special mentality too he is always before the play in the lose ball he win the ball a lot of times the concentration reflexes stamina and nonstop mind that he has is amazing even sometimes more than he should have. Today he was putting 3x more pressure than everyone on the court he plunged the game in hell and more important he is contagious.

[Hal14]

16+14 Garuba leading Real Madrid to the Acb finals and making a three and a basket plus foul in the clutch. **** monster all the time playing in the Power Forward position that's even more impressive when he is more a center.

I have never seen a kid outmuscling and outrebound guys in the Acb like Garuba at his age what a **** motor he has the mentality that he has is really impressive. 14 rebounds in Europe is really hard, Most young player to catch 14 rebounds in a Acb Playoffs game and the most young who has done a double-double in the Playoff too. He had a double double in the first half and then he has won the game in the cluch well at the same time he almost lost the game with a stupid goaltending trying to catch the rebound of a 3 but he has fixed that play catching an offensive rebound a making a basket plus foul.

And shooting really well. The three isn't going to be a problem for him that's for sure he remember me of Kawhi in that aspect. Amazing how he has improved his shooting during the season

Read on Twitter

Still don't trust him to be more than an efficient 4th/5th option offensively. But man, physically and athletically, he's a marvel when he turns it on. Mind blowing that the same guy who shut down Europe's best offensive backcourt in back-to-back Euroleague elimination games a few weeks ago now gobbles up 14 rebounds in an ACB League elimination game.

As I said before, any comparison to wings fails to capture what a force he can be in the paint. And any comparison to bigs does a disservice to his elite perimeter D. Just a remarkable talent.

He faced all the series vs Derrick Williams and man how bad Dwill has looked next to him like a bad G-League player. Totally outplayed you can tell that the man was Garuba and the kid Williams. He has an special body but an special mentality too he is always before the play in the lose ball he win the ball a lot of times the concentration reflexes stamina and nonstop mind that he has is amazing even sometimes more than he should have. Today he was putting 3x more pressure than everyone on the court he plunged the game in hell and more important he is contagious.

Over his last 8 games, Garuba is 10/22 from 3 (45.4%)..not too shabby

[babyjax13]

Still don't trust him to be more than an efficient 4th/5th option offensively. But man, physically and athletically, he's a marvel when he turns it on. Mind blowing that the same guy who shut down Europe's best offensive backcourt in back-to-back Euroleague elimination games a few weeks ago now gobbles up 14 rebounds in an ACB League elimination game.

As I said before, any comparison to wings fails to capture what a force he can be in the paint. And any comparison to bigs does a disservice to his elite perimeter D. Just a remarkable talent.

He faced all the series vs Derrick Williams and man how bad Dwill has looked next to him like a bad G-League player. Totally outplayed you can tell that the man was Garuba and the kid Williams. He has an special body but an special mentality too he is always before the play in the lose ball he win the ball a lot of times the concentration reflexes stamina and nonstop mind that he has is amazing even sometimes more than he should have. Today he was putting 3x more pressure than everyone on the court he plunged the game in hell and more important he is contagious.

Over his last 8 games, Garuba is 10/22 from 3 (45.4%)..not too shabby

His form looks like Derrick Favors when we tried to get him to shoot corner threes. Hope he can keep it up, though, would make him a lot more valuable in the draft. Obviously his ability to contain anyone with his lateral quickness at his current level of play will get him drafted, but I'm interested to see what he becomes.

[DCasey91]

Please take Jalen Green at Number one whoever gets the first pick.

I watch about 40 guys in my spare time and watch a lot of real game stuff saved on file. Some have growing concerns some are more impressive watching slowmos, real time stuff then just highlights.

But for me Jalen Green is going to be a Superstar. Seriously this kid with 10 pounds of weight is a 20ppg scorer already.

I mean it wouldn’t surprise me for him to hit close to the 30 mark.

World class Athleticism + Actual good base of skill and nice tangibles and intangibles = High tier player. Out of the five he’s actually the most bust proof to me. I rate him as a better basketball player then Edwards. Edwards has the catchup on the body but nothing else. Soon as Green matures body wise you are going to see the clear difference.

He’s exceptional, clear standout for me.

[DCasey91]

Also just to include too Jalen Suggs reminds me the most of Jason Kidd out of all the recent prospects (Lonzo was noticeably taller).

Jalen Suggs has the potential to be Jason Kidd 2.0 it’s jut his durability can be questioned because of the choppy speed very similar gamestyle. It’s a testament to Kidd himself that he didnt get more injuries.

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Please take Jalen Green at Number one whoever gets the first pick.

I watch about 40 guys in my spare time and watch a lot of real game stuff saved on file. Some have growing concerns some are more impressive watching slowmos, real time stuff then just highlights.

But for me Jalen Green is going to be a Superstar. Seriously this kid with 10 pounds of weight is a 20ppg scorer already.

I mean it wouldn’t surprise me for him to hit close to the 30 mark.

World class Athleticism + Actual good base of skill and nice tangibles and intangibles = High tier player. Out of the five he’s actually the most bust proof to me. I rate him as a better basketball player then Edwards. Edwards has the catchup on the body but nothing else. Soon as Green matures body wise you are going to see the clear difference.

He’s exceptional, clear standout for me.

Green reminds me of a young Kobe / young MJ. He could be really special..

[PhilBlackson]

Please take Jalen Green at Number one whoever gets the first pick.

I watch about 40 guys in my spare time and watch a lot of real game stuff saved on file. Some have growing concerns some are more impressive watching slowmos, real time stuff then just highlights.

But for me Jalen Green is going to be a Superstar. Seriously this kid with 10 pounds of weight is a 20ppg scorer already.

I mean it wouldn’t surprise me for him to hit close to the 30 mark.

World class Athleticism + Actual good base of skill and nice tangibles and intangibles = High tier player. Out of the five he’s actually the most bust proof to me. I rate him as a better basketball player then Edwards. Edwards has the catchup on the body but nothing else. Soon as Green matures body wise you are going to see the clear difference.

He’s exceptional, clear standout for me.

Green reminds me of a young Kobe / young MJ. He could be really special..

He's like someone put MJ's athleticism and style of play into Beal's body.

[DCasey91]

Please take Jalen Green at Number one whoever gets the first pick.

I watch about 40 guys in my spare time and watch a lot of real game stuff saved on file. Some have growing concerns some are more impressive watching slowmos, real time stuff then just highlights.

But for me Jalen Green is going to be a Superstar. Seriously this kid with 10 pounds of weight is a 20ppg scorer already.

I mean it wouldn’t surprise me for him to hit close to the 30 mark.

World class Athleticism + Actual good base of skill and nice tangibles and intangibles = High tier player. Out of the five he’s actually the most bust proof to me. I rate him as a better basketball player then Edwards. Edwards has the catchup on the body but nothing else. Soon as Green matures body wise you are going to see the clear difference.

He’s exceptional, clear standout for me.

Green reminds me of a young Kobe / young MJ. He could be really special..

He's like someone put MJ's athleticism and style of play into Beal's body.

I can tell you’ve watched him a lot. That’s exactly my comp too, it’s like if Beal had hyper athleticism and taller. You run the same sets for Beal with Green I’m guessing you’re going to get very similar results. Gut feeling but he’s going to have a better 3ball then both because of his huge lift off and stroke combined, he can get it off when he wants to and his shot selection/awareness is better then Edwards is.

[MasterIchiro]

I agree Green is a stealth top 3 pick. If he were to fall to 4, GM's would regret it. But Mobley reminds me of rookie Kevin Garnett. Cade might turn out an All-Star but I think the other two have superstar potential. I have it Mobley - Green - Cade.

[DCasey91]

I agree Green is a stealth top 3 pick. If he were to fall to 4, GM's would regret it. But Mobley reminds me of rookie Kevin Garnett. Cade might turn out an All-Star but I think the other two have superstar potential. I have it Mobley - Green - Cade.

For the first two months I was all over Mobley like a fat kid to cake. But watching him again this time slowed down etc etc. there is little parts of him that were concerning (Shot, Size, Rebounding, Motor, Assertiveness). Still rate him very highly (2nd to 4th place in 3/4 years time) he’s below Davis tier.

Whereas the intangibles/tangibles that Green has showed wins over the other two. His passing is what gets me up and about more lately there is great room on that potential.

Also watch for Suggs he’ll surprise a few that don’t rate him as highly as the other three.

I wasn’t looking for their production as with them all it was sound I was looking for their flaws or tangibles/intangibles of how they play. Green has special special ability.

I mean for me even at 2 I’d pull the trigger on Green, at 4 it’s great value. Might be bias or what have you but I think this kid has the “superstar it factor written all over him” it’s like it’s all there.

[MasterIchiro]

I agree Green is a stealth top 3 pick. If he were to fall to 4, GM's would regret it. But Mobley reminds me of rookie Kevin Garnett. Cade might turn out an All-Star but I think the other two have superstar potential. I have it Mobley - Green - Cade.

For the first two months I was all over Mobley like a fat kid to cake. But watching him again this time slowed down etc etc. there is little parts of him that were concerning (Shot, Size, Rebounding, Motor, Assertiveness). Still rate him very highly (2nd to 4th place in 3/4 years time) he’s below Davis tier.

Whereas the intangibles/tangibles that Green has showed wins over the other two. His passing is what gets me up and about more lately there is great room on that potential.

Also watch for Suggs he’ll surprise a few that don’t rate him as highly as the other three.

I wasn’t looking for their production as with them all it was sound I was looking for their flaws or tangibles/intangibles of how they play. Green has special special ability.

I mean for me even at 2 I’d pull the trigger on Green, at 4 it’s great value. Might be bias or what have you but I think this kid has the “superstar it factor written all over him” it’s like it’s all there.

Mobley is so skilled for a 7 footer. He can run the fast break. He's in on every play. Blocks, steals, deflections, passes, 50-50 hustle, scoring all three levels. His size reminds me of Garnett as well. Garnett was a bean pole who stayed thin and kept up with heavier players using agility, length, spring. Mobley has all those.

Green to me is more of a pure scorer than Edwards. When prospects dominate scoring so thoroughly they don't develop the same court vision. They're reading openings to exploit for themselves. I don't think Green will elevate teammates from his position on the same level Mobley can. But his scoring is undeniable. He's the top scorer in the draft and it's not close. I just think there are so many layers to Mobley and his guard skills at his size are so rare.

Cade has the highest floor of any number one pick I've ever seen selected. But Green can lead the NBA in scoring and Mobley could reach the same tier as Jokic and Embiid as a 5 who carries his team. He is easier to build around because no teams can match at his position.

[DCasey91]

I agree all on those sentiments but Jalen definitely has court vision/awareness there is no doubt in my mind there. It’s much much better then Edwards is also shot selection it’s for me on a higher tier. He doesn’t hog the ball or take atrocious shots like Edwards has a tendency to do.

The issue I have with Mobley (strength, size) compared to Kevin Garnett is that Garnett is a dog which means his motor is on (similar question marks for Cade, his assertiveness can be inconsistent).

I think he’s more Bosh like then Garnett

In all fairness though these are all little things. All of them are great prospects. Once the other two (Mobley, Green) fill out watch out.

Cade and Suggs might jump out the gate early and people will say see I told you so. But after 3-5 years all of them are going to be very close on the value part.

It’s just that Green is going to score rapidly even when his body is still developing. He’s isn’t Ingram where he needed a couple of years. It’s actually closer to Durant on the scoring front.

He’s making grown men (might as well just stand there lol) look like statues/traffic cones on a consistent basis. In today terms with a lot more spacing, Green is going to cut through teams like butter. 15 pounds he’s a nightmare matchup to contain.

[Hal14]

Please take Jalen Green at Number one whoever gets the first pick.

I watch about 40 guys in my spare time and watch a lot of real game stuff saved on file. Some have growing concerns some are more impressive watching slowmos, real time stuff then just highlights.

But for me Jalen Green is going to be a Superstar. Seriously this kid with 10 pounds of weight is a 20ppg scorer already.

I mean it wouldn’t surprise me for him to hit close to the 30 mark.

World class Athleticism + Actual good base of skill and nice tangibles and intangibles = High tier player. Out of the five he’s actually the most bust proof to me. I rate him as a better basketball player then Edwards. Edwards has the catchup on the body but nothing else. Soon as Green matures body wise you are going to see the clear difference.

He’s exceptional, clear standout for me.

Green reminds me of a young Kobe / young MJ. He could be really special..

He's like someone put MJ's athleticism and style of play into Beal's body.

Yeah except Green is 2 inches taller than Beal, but yeah..

[Roger Murdock]

Jalen Greens athletic profile reminds me of Randy Moss actually. His frame, first step, body control, leaping ability, speed in the open, the grace etc.

I get why people have Cade #1. But to me there just seems something special about Green. And I'm someone who values playmakers more than anything. But I just see greatness in Jalen Green and have this gut feeling that it will be similar to the Luke draft where like 3 weeks into their careers everyone will be like 'how did anyone pass on this kid?'

At a minimum I expect him to be the highest scoring rookie since AI, maybe since MJ.

[zike_42]

Sorry to break the Green talk, but is it fair to say that this is a five pick draft? Cunningham, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga (not in order) and then daylight?

[bon]

Sorry to break the Green talk, but is it fair to say that this is a five pick draft? Cunningham, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga (not in order) and then daylight?

It's a 4 player draft to me. Kuminga isn't quite on the same tier as the other guys having much more question marks in his game. He's not a lock at 5 whereas the top 4 won't drop.

[EvanZ]

Sorry to break the Green talk, but is it fair to say that this is a five pick draft? Cunningham, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga (not in order) and then daylight?

It's a 4 player draft to me. Kuminga isn't quite on the same tier as the other guys having much more question marks in his game. He's not a lock at 5 whereas the top 4 won't drop.

Same.

[Hal14]

Sorry to break the Green talk, but is it fair to say that this is a five pick draft? Cunningham, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga (not in order) and then daylight?

IDK, I think there's some good talent outside the top 5.

For instance, IMO Springer is just as good as Suggs, maybe even better.

Bassey is very similar to Mobley. Mobley is obviously better, but Bassey is really not that far off IMO.

Yet some mocks have had Springer in the 25-30 range, and most mocks I'm seeing have Bassey in the 28-38 range. Just shows how deep this draft class is..

[Charm]

Sorry to break the Green talk, but is it fair to say that this is a five pick draft? Cunningham, Mobley, Green, Suggs, Kuminga (not in order) and then daylight?

IDK, I think there's some good talent outside the top 5.

For instance, IMO Springer is just as good as Suggs, maybe even better.

Bassey is very similar to Mobley. Mobley is obviously better, but Bassey is really not that far off IMO.

Yet some mocks have had Springer in the 25-30 range, and most mocks I'm seeing have Bassey in the 28-38 range. Just shows how deep this draft class is..

Bassey's far off in assists, and that matters more than you'd think for centers. Mobley had the highest average of any major conference freshman center in history, and that vision will really come in handy if he develops into an offensive superstar like people are hoping. Bassey doesn't have at at all, and his offensive ceiling is way lower as a result.

Plus he measured under 6'9" in socks, so I'm pretty sure he's not allowed to play center, which really hurts his outlook