Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects

Draft talk all year round

Moderators: Duke4life831, Marcus

DCasey91
General Manager
Posts: 9,535
And1: 5,775
Joined: Dec 15, 2020
   

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#21 » by DCasey91 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:50 am

Catchall wrote:Overrated:
- Jonathan Kuminga - Until I see him do something at an elite level, he's in the same camp as Jeff Green to me.
- Franz Wagner - I liked him as a pick in the 20s, but his mediocre athleticism and limited creation will limit him at the wing in the NBA. Maybe he's a glue guy, not sure.
- Ziaire Williams - It's going to be a while before you can put him on an NBA floor. KZ Okpala hasn't shown up in his first 2 seasons, and he's better built than Ziaire.

Underrated
- Jalen Johnson could be Ben Simmons with some shooting/scoring.
- Roko Prkacin could be brawny Hayward. He's at least the Rui Hachimura of this draft.
- Vrenz Bleighenberg has the best combination of length, mobility and passing I've seen since Kirilenko, and he's developing 30-ft range.
- Ayo Dosunmu is better than Shake Milton and could develop into something close to Jrue Holiday.
- Benedict Mathurin should have received a 1st-round guarantee in this draft.


I call Roko Brute Force Joe Ingles lol. The kid plays like a bull in a China Shop. He was growing the whole year first to the last game he kept on filling out and still has some filling to come :).

Vrenz is a nice one too!
Li WenWen is the GOAT
Stillwater
RealGM
Posts: 15,734
And1: 3,655
Joined: Jun 15, 2017
   

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#22 » by Stillwater » Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:06 am

DCasey91 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
Yeah he’s growing on me. Got humbled abit from high school to the G league.

But 6”10 long shooters just don’t grow on trees. Watching his interviews good kid, speaks well and is doing the Bruce Lee master of one thing deal.

I mean a bench version of Rashard Lewis or near Rashard Lewis as the outcome in the second round? Potential value.

was disappointed in his athletic testing and he is more sf probably on paper imo but he is a baller and will make it at least as a rotation 3/4 imo with the ability to play the 5 some


I don’t like him at the five. His body type screams a skinny 4 wing type.

NBA nowadays has the two wing archetypes.

The slow moving big soak volume PF is actually one of the least valued tiers on my list. They have to step out to the perimter and guards will just exploit them.

I think they’ll eventually get phased out.

We have one in Harris, there’s Hachi and the best version in Randle. They are all in the end non threatening to me and don’t bring true value.

I give teams +6 with Harris gives away free corner threes for fun lol

Todd isn’t a great defender at all. But a 6”10” shooter a good team will make that work imo.

Athletic testing too is just numbers to me. There’s so many more factors to athleticism and your game then the result of a trial.

He’s 6”10 and can shoot with a sweet stroke. That’s draft-able right there and then

I am fully aware of him I have been high on his game for awhile but he lacks the ws I was hoping for from a 6'9 forward...
I do think his mobility is good enough to defend outside against forwards similar and some guards but for the most part is probably a pf by trade who can stretch it a bit. His handles are not bad either so that should help his upside stock for late first teams
SUNDOWN BRINGS A WELCOME CHANGE TO EVERYTHING THAT'S HIDING
Marcus
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 10,315
And1: 5,173
Joined: Mar 03, 2014

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#23 » by Marcus » Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:20 am

DCasey91 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Underrated:

5. Isaiah Todd


good call out


Yeah he’s growing on me. Got humbled abit from high school to the G league.

But 6”10 long shooters just don’t grow on trees. Watching his interviews good kid, speaks well and is doing the Bruce Lee master of one thing deal.

I mean a bench version of Rashard Lewis or near Rashard Lewis as the outcome in the second round? Potential value.


also comes in with a 5 hour shot that i hope he gets a chance to use for some team. that baseline fade he can hit over anyone.
Watch More Basketball

Sometimes silence is the best thing you can contribute to a conversation

after what he did to Moses Moody's name, I got DJ K. Perk in a Verzuz battle against ANYBODY
Marcus
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 10,315
And1: 5,173
Joined: Mar 03, 2014

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#24 » by Marcus » Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:21 am

Catchall wrote:Overrated:
- Jonathan Kuminga - Until I see him do something at an elite level, he's in the same camp as Jeff Green to me.
- Franz Wagner - I liked him as a pick in the 20s, but his mediocre athleticism and limited creation will limit him at the wing in the NBA. Maybe he's a glue guy, not sure.
- Ziaire Williams - It's going to be a while before you can put him on an NBA floor. KZ Okpala hasn't shown up in his first 2 seasons, and he's better built than Ziaire.

Underrated
- Jalen Johnson could be Ben Simmons with some shooting/scoring.
- Roko Prkacin could be brawny Hayward. He's at least the Rui Hachimura of this draft.
- Vrenz Bleighenberg has the best combination of length, mobility and passing I've seen since Kirilenko, and he's developing 30-ft range.
- Ayo Dosunmu is better than Shake Milton and could develop into something close to Jrue Holiday.
- Benedict Mathurin should have received a 1st-round guarantee in this draft.


haven't seen many folks be high on this kid. but i like him as well
Watch More Basketball

Sometimes silence is the best thing you can contribute to a conversation

after what he did to Moses Moody's name, I got DJ K. Perk in a Verzuz battle against ANYBODY
User avatar
clyde21
RealGM
Posts: 64,084
And1: 70,251
Joined: Aug 20, 2014
     

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#25 » by clyde21 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:23 am

Marcus wrote:
Catchall wrote:Overrated:
- Jonathan Kuminga - Until I see him do something at an elite level, he's in the same camp as Jeff Green to me.
- Franz Wagner - I liked him as a pick in the 20s, but his mediocre athleticism and limited creation will limit him at the wing in the NBA. Maybe he's a glue guy, not sure.
- Ziaire Williams - It's going to be a while before you can put him on an NBA floor. KZ Okpala hasn't shown up in his first 2 seasons, and he's better built than Ziaire.

Underrated
- Jalen Johnson could be Ben Simmons with some shooting/scoring.
- Roko Prkacin could be brawny Hayward. He's at least the Rui Hachimura of this draft.
- Vrenz Bleighenberg has the best combination of length, mobility and passing I've seen since Kirilenko, and he's developing 30-ft range.
- Ayo Dosunmu is better than Shake Milton and could develop into something close to Jrue Holiday.
- Benedict Mathurin should have received a 1st-round guarantee in this draft.


haven't seen many folks be high on this kid. but i like him as well


i think babyjax is pretty high on him, lotto range
جُنْد فِلَسْطِيْن
DCasey91
General Manager
Posts: 9,535
And1: 5,775
Joined: Dec 15, 2020
   

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#26 » by DCasey91 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 1:48 am

Marcus wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
good call out


Yeah he’s growing on me. Got humbled abit from high school to the G league.

But 6”10 long shooters just don’t grow on trees. Watching his interviews good kid, speaks well and is doing the Bruce Lee master of one thing deal.

I mean a bench version of Rashard Lewis or near Rashard Lewis as the outcome in the second round? Potential value.


also comes in with a 5 hour shot that i hope he gets a chance to use for some team. that baseline fade he can hit over anyone.


That’s how I see it with him too. Don’t need much creation just shoot over the top.
He does rely on it a lot but he’s certainly of height.
Li WenWen is the GOAT
Marcus
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 10,315
And1: 5,173
Joined: Mar 03, 2014

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#27 » by Marcus » Thu Jul 8, 2021 2:05 am

The right environment with a little bit of a leash and Todd can be a pretty effective role player.
Watch More Basketball

Sometimes silence is the best thing you can contribute to a conversation

after what he did to Moses Moody's name, I got DJ K. Perk in a Verzuz battle against ANYBODY
User avatar
EvanZ
RealGM
Posts: 14,933
And1: 4,175
Joined: Apr 06, 2011

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#28 » by EvanZ » Thu Jul 8, 2021 4:17 am

clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Underrated:
Miles McBride
Moses Moody
Moses Wright
Balsa Koprivica
Sharife Cooper

Overrated:
Davion Mitchell
Corey Kispert
Chris Duarte
James Bouknight


thought that was your boy


Last year I had him as a first round pick. I actually try to project guys in the future. He would have had to do a lot more to convince me he's much higher than a mid-first. Currently have him at 18 but I see him mocked as high as 6 or 7. That's just too high for me.
Big J
RealGM
Posts: 11,625
And1: 8,757
Joined: May 26, 2020

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#29 » by Big J » Thu Jul 8, 2021 4:34 am

Overrated

1. Cade
2. Kuminga
3. Alpy
4. Zaire
5. Kispert

Underrated

1. Green
BostonCouchGM
Head Coach
Posts: 6,714
And1: 4,859
Joined: Jun 07, 2018

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#30 » by BostonCouchGM » Thu Jul 8, 2021 6:47 am

Underrated:

1 Jericho Sims
2 Moses Moody
3 Trey Murphy
4 Davion Mitchell
5 Isaiah Todd

Overrated:

1 BJ Boston
2 Ziaire Williams
3 Kai Jones
4 Cameron Thomas
5 Josh Giddey
jezzerinho
Analyst
Posts: 3,147
And1: 2,203
Joined: Jul 08, 2019
   

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#31 » by jezzerinho » Thu Jul 8, 2021 9:56 am

Under:
Tre Mann
Josh Christopher
Roko Prkačin
Josh Giddey
Bones Hyland

Over:
Kuminga
Mitchell
Ziaire Williams
Bouknight
Cunningham
User avatar
God Squad
RealGM
Posts: 13,356
And1: 11,604
Joined: Feb 22, 2010
Location: Toronto
 

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#32 » by God Squad » Thu Jul 8, 2021 11:37 am

Catchall wrote:Overrated:
- Jonathan Kuminga - Until I see him do something at an elite level, he's in the same camp as Jeff Green to me.
- Franz Wagner - I liked him as a pick in the 20s, but his mediocre athleticism and limited creation will limit him at the wing in the NBA. Maybe he's a glue guy, not sure.
- Ziaire Williams - It's going to be a while before you can put him on an NBA floor. KZ Okpala hasn't shown up in his first 2 seasons, and he's better built than Ziaire.

Underrated
- Jalen Johnson could be Ben Simmons with some shooting/scoring.
- Roko Prkacin could be brawny Hayward. He's at least the Rui Hachimura of this draft.
- Vrenz Bleighenberg has the best combination of length, mobility and passing I've seen since Kirilenko, and he's developing 30-ft range.
- Ayo Dosunmu is better than Shake Milton and could develop into something close to Jrue Holiday.
- Benedict Mathurin should have received a 1st-round guarantee in this draft.

I've been watching him during the FIBAU19 and he's streaky, but all the potential is there IMO. Very good prospect.
Image
User avatar
God Squad
RealGM
Posts: 13,356
And1: 11,604
Joined: Feb 22, 2010
Location: Toronto
 

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#33 » by God Squad » Thu Jul 8, 2021 11:40 am

Big J wrote:Overrated

1. Cade
2. Kuminga
3. Alpy
4. Zaire
5. Kispert

Underrated

1. Green

He's arguably the most hyped prospect in the class. How is he underrated?
Image
Big J
RealGM
Posts: 11,625
And1: 8,757
Joined: May 26, 2020

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#34 » by Big J » Thu Jul 8, 2021 11:48 am

God Squad wrote:
Big J wrote:Overrated

1. Cade
2. Kuminga
3. Alpy
4. Zaire
5. Kispert

Underrated

1. Green

He's arguably the most hyped prospect in the class. How is he underrated?


He’s below Cade on most boards. and he’s light years better as a prospect than him. Cade’s game/personality are freaking boring af.
User avatar
God Squad
RealGM
Posts: 13,356
And1: 11,604
Joined: Feb 22, 2010
Location: Toronto
 

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#35 » by God Squad » Thu Jul 8, 2021 11:54 am

Big J wrote:
God Squad wrote:
Big J wrote:Overrated

1. Cade
2. Kuminga
3. Alpy
4. Zaire
5. Kispert

Underrated

1. Green

He's arguably the most hyped prospect in the class. How is he underrated?


He’s below Cade on most boards. and he’s light years better as a prospect than him. Cade’s game/personality are freaking boring af.

But he's in the conversation for either 1 or 2. So how is he "Underrated"? Who cares about Cade's personality being boring lol. I also have Green above Cade, but to say he's underrated is just not true.
Image
Big J
RealGM
Posts: 11,625
And1: 8,757
Joined: May 26, 2020

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#36 » by Big J » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:00 pm

God Squad wrote:
Big J wrote:
God Squad wrote:He's arguably the most hyped prospect in the class. How is he underrated?


He’s below Cade on most boards. and he’s light years better as a prospect than him. Cade’s game/personality are freaking boring af.

But he's in the conversation for either 1 or 2. So how is he "Underrated"? Who cares about Cade's personality being boring lol. I also have Green above Cade, but to say he's underrated is just not true.


Personality matters. Look at Rudy Gay & Andrew Wiggins. Their personalities don’t excite anyone .

Green’s not being talked about as a generational guy by most. They are saying all star level, but he has a chance to be the next Kobe.
Apoe
Ballboy
Posts: 39
And1: 28
Joined: Mar 29, 2021
 

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#37 » by Apoe » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:24 pm

Underrated:

1 Josh Christopher
2 Jalen Johnson
3 Alperen Sengun
4 Malcolm Cazalon
5 Roko Prkacin
6 Bones Hyland

Overrated:

1 Mitchell ( Love him but #7 is imo too high)
2 Scottie Barnes
3 Cade Cunningham
4 Cameron Thomas
5 Josh Giddey ( hope he proves me wrong - could wind up as the steal of the draft but imo has high bust potential)
LofJ
RealGM
Posts: 12,950
And1: 11,157
Joined: Mar 29, 2014
   

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#38 » by LofJ » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:50 pm

Overrated

Cade Cunninghan - He's a top 3 pick, but I think Green and Mobley will be better. He shouldn't be the consensus number one pick.

Davion Mitchell - Classic tournament performance leading to being overdrafted. He'll be solid in the NBA, but nothing special.

Jonathan Kuminga - We see guys like this every year - physical marvels with few basketball skills. He has high bust potential.

Isaiah Jackson - He can defend and rebound and he has decent hands, but outside of that he has zero offensive skill. He may develop that, but for now I'm not sure I see a future NBA starter.

Alperin Sengun - He has skill and plays hard, so he'll make it in the league. But his lack of foot speed and size will limit him. I don't think he'll be a high level starter, you don't want that with a lottery pick.

Underrated

Roko Prkacin - He's a skilled wing with size and has a good resume of performance. He's much better than where he's being mocked.

Evan Mobley - Big men with his skill level are incredibly rare. I think the conventional wisdom of wings over every other position has led to him being overlooked somewhat.

Jaden Springer - He's a big guard that can do everything and has professional pedigree. He's also younger than just about everyone in this class with room for growth.

Joshua Primo - Another big guard with great 3 and D potential. He has the potential to be a long-term starter in the league if he develops properly.

Aaron Henry - He has size, he can defend, and he can pass. If he can develop his shot he'll stick in the league.
User avatar
UnbelievablyRAW
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,786
And1: 4,551
Joined: Oct 29, 2011
     

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#39 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Thu Jul 8, 2021 12:53 pm

From this thread Bouknight is underrated lol. If he goes to a good team like the Warriors I can see him shocking people and people saying the Warriors got the steal of the draft. Would have been great on Toronto as well as a 6th man guy who just needs to score. Him getting to play off of Steph and Klay and attack the basket off of closeouts or create for himself will be much easier and he's shown he's one of the best at it in UConn.

Pretty sure his shooting numbers skyrocket getting easy catch and shoots like Wiggins did and I'm willing to say I like his scoring bag more than Wiggins as well with his hesitation dribble
"Above average role player is now being paid like a superstar from one good playoff series. This will end up as one of the worst contracts in the league." paulbball on Pascal Siakam
User avatar
The Moose
General Manager
Posts: 9,291
And1: 5,259
Joined: Apr 18, 2012
Location: Australia
 

Re: Your top 5 most underrated/overrated 21 prospects 

Post#40 » by The Moose » Thu Jul 8, 2021 2:38 pm

Big J wrote:
God Squad wrote:
Big J wrote:
He’s below Cade on most boards. and he’s light years better as a prospect than him. Cade’s game/personality are freaking boring af.

But he's in the conversation for either 1 or 2. So how is he "Underrated"? Who cares about Cade's personality being boring lol. I also have Green above Cade, but to say he's underrated is just not true.


Personality matters. Look at Rudy Gay & Andrew Wiggins. Their personalities don’t excite anyone .

Green’s not being talked about as a generational guy by most. They are saying all star level, but he has a chance to be the next Kobe.


Tim Duncan's personality didn't excite anyone either, Cade is known for being a great leader and culture builder on every team he has been on. His personality is nothing like Wiggins.

Green can barely go more than a sentence without mumbling lmao, he's not leading anyone

Green's a good prospect but I'd rather build a team around Cade's personality, Green seems like the type to leave for a big market at his first chance
Image

Return to NBA Draft