Big J wrote:clyde21 wrote:Big J wrote:
Tatum & Luka are outliers though. What elite skill does Cade have besides shooting? I'm not seeing any.
they are not outliers at all...a lot of the top players in the league are not top tier athletes...Tatum, Luka, Steph, Harden, Leonard, Dame, Cp3, Booker, Butler...etc etc...in fact actual bball skill and bbiq is way more of a predictor of success than top tier athleticism...once you reach that NBA level threshold of athleticism, it starts becoming much more about everything else than straight line speed or vertical pop.
and it's pretty obvious, Cade's a sophisticated 3-level scorer who shoots 85% from the line, can slide and switch defensively with no issue, has the size to take the POA on defense against opposing 1s/2s, has high overall BBIQ and whether you think he can be a primary playmaker or not, it's pretty obvious he has + passing chops for his height in the NBA.
if u think he's just being look at @ #1 because he's a good shooter you should put on the tape again.
1. He's not a sophisticated 3 level scorer. His 2pt% was subpar due to his lack of athleticism/poor footwork/BBIQ. He relied on bullying smaller guys & step back 3's in college.
2. He had a negative assist to turnover ratio. While he is a willing passer, he doesn't have next level vision. He got a lot of assists due to having a high usage percentage.
3. He'll be fine on defense, nothing special unless he really dedicates himself to it on that end.
So that makes him a subpar athlete 3 & D wing guy with a bit of ball handing & passing ability. He's exactly who you would want on your team as a glue guy. I just don't see him being a number one on a contender. Which is what you should be getting with the number 1 pick.
1 lol...what are you talking about? he shot 46% from the 2 in college, and again, some of the best finishers in the league don't necessarily have best athleticism...Luka, Tatum, Steph...again, once you reach NBA level physical profile threshold, it's diminishing returns and it becomes much more about balls skills and ancillary skills...also i'm tired of hearing Cade isn't athletic nonsense, yea he's not sudden and doesn't have vertical pop, but that's not all what athleticism is. it's weird that this always has to be explained to people.
2 see, this is how I can tell you don't actually watch players you talk about, you look at stats and come here to flex nuts about u know how to break these prospects down...no, his A/TO ratio isn't because of a lack of vision, it's because his decision making needs cleaning up...he's not LeBron but his overall feel and vision is already above avg at the NBA level for the PG position.
3 that's all he needs to be, he doesn't need to be a defensive stopper with the overall toolset and player profile he brings to the table.
no, you're getting a 6-7 secondary (at worst) playmaker who can score on 3 levels, who has the makings of a top tier shooter, who's lethal in transition and who will be switchable and be able to guard 1/2s at high level in the NBA, who will be a stabilizing force for a franchise on day one.
you are essentially getting Khris Middleton as a likely midish outcome with a much faster development curve...if that's not a top 3 pick player is any draft really I dunno who is.
