2022 international class

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Adem Bona Highlights from U19 World Cup

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We sure he's not 24? he sure looks the part heh. but definitely super impressive athlete.

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Anyway, I wrote a more full early look scouting report for Fanbo Zeng.

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I like Daniels a lot. Baldwin is bigger and stronger so will probably go higher but Daniels is not far behind - Daniels also looks like a better, more tenacious defender.

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I like Daniels a lot. Baldwin is bigger and stronger so will probably go higher but Daniels is not far behind - Daniels also looks like a better, more tenacious defender.

Looking at this clip I get more on what his hype is about, my concern is that if the shot doesn't really develop he's a 3 who probably won't get the ball in his hand to make his passing plays and can't space the floor, that's a really negative offensive player and yeah it helps he's a good defender at the most coveted position but still, isn't that like a slightly richer man's Torey Craig?

Over time I've gradually become more out on guys that "they'll be awesome IF they develop a shot" types.

Obviously being at the Ignite really would help to clarify a lot of things though, obviously if he goes into next year and vastly improve shot and a big part of the team that's an automatic pick in the teens, but if he's still having iffy shots and the team's starting Beauchamp and Zeng over him then what?

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Adem Bona Highlights from U19 World Cup

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We sure he's not 24? he sure looks the part heh. but definitely super impressive athlete.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2120474

Anyway, I wrote a more full early look scouting report for Fanbo Zeng.

Yeah, how are these guys 19? Similar to Zion, I dont get it, when I was 19, I weighted like 130 pounds.

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I like Daniels a lot. Baldwin is bigger and stronger so will probably go higher but Daniels is not far behind - Daniels also looks like a better, more tenacious defender.

Looking at this clip I get more on what his hype is about, my concern is that if the shot doesn't really develop he's a 3 who probably won't get the ball in his hand to make his passing plays and can't space the floor, that's a really negative offensive player and yeah it helps he's a good defender at the most coveted position but still, isn't that like a slightly richer man's Torey Craig?

Over time I've gradually become more out on guys that "they'll be awesome IF they develop a shot" types.

Obviously being at the Ignite really would help to clarify a lot of things though, obviously if he goes into next year and vastly improve shot and a big part of the team that's an automatic pick in the teens, but if he's still having iffy shots and the team's starting Beauchamp and Zeng over him then what?

His shot looks really smooth with good form:

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I know this video is just highlights but I'm not seeing a guy whose shot I need to be concerned about.

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I like Daniels a lot. Baldwin is bigger and stronger so will probably go higher but Daniels is not far behind - Daniels also looks like a better, more tenacious defender.

Looking at this clip I get more on what his hype is about, my concern is that if the shot doesn't really develop he's a 3 who probably won't get the ball in his hand to make his passing plays and can't space the floor, that's a really negative offensive player and yeah it helps he's a good defender at the most coveted position but still, isn't that like a slightly richer man's Torey Craig?

Over time I've gradually become more out on guys that "they'll be awesome IF they develop a shot" types.

Obviously being at the Ignite really would help to clarify a lot of things though, obviously if he goes into next year and vastly improve shot and a big part of the team that's an automatic pick in the teens, but if he's still having iffy shots and the team's starting Beauchamp and Zeng over him then what?

His shot looks really smooth with good form:

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I know this video is just highlights but I'm not seeing a guy whose shot I need to be concerned about.

I suppose? we'll obviously see in the G league, the previous clip that showed his misses some were pretty bad, he doesn't always jump straight up when he shoots and isn't good enough to make that work (very few can anyway.) and he does take a little longer to load up then you'd like from a perimeter player. it depends on what you see him as I guess, can he end up being an adequate off-ball catch and shoot guy on the wing? reasonably possible, can be he like a high-volume guy off the dribble? seems a bit less likely.

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watching this game. I'm at halftime right now and Dieng looks like he's gonna need at least another year overseas before he's ready for the NBA.

Either he gets picked in 2nd round and gets stashed for another 1-2 yrs. Or he withdraws from the draft and stays overseas for another 1-2 yrs. I just don't see him playing in the NBA next season - definitely doesn't look like a lottery pick.

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Dieng can't hit a shot in the 1st half. There's a few plays where his man blows by him off the dribble, as Dieng struggles to slide his feet defensively and stay in front of his man. Plus, in this game (and in the Breakers first game a few days ago) there's been 1 time in each game where he takes the ball out of bounds after a made basket and throws the inbounds pass right to the other team..

There's definitely some good potential there - it just looks like he's not ready - probably a couple yrs away..

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Dieng's non-rim FGA up to this point (might be excluding his most recent game) - 2/30.

He's a project.

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this entire international class looked hella good at one point but has largely disappointed. i still have some faith in Dieng tho, but gotta get those buckets at some point.

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Adem Bona Highlights from U19 World Cup

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We sure he's not 24? he sure looks the part heh. but definitely super impressive athlete.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2120474

Anyway, I wrote a more full early look scouting report for Fanbo Zeng.

Yeah, how are these guys 19? Similar to Zion, I dont get it, when I was 19, I weighted like 130 pounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adem_Bona#cite_note-fiba-2

Real question is how this dude become a Turkish citizen at age 15? Plus moving to Turkey at 13 to play professional basketball? After playing football in his youth? Turkey is now in the business of handing out citizenships to 15 year olds?

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Last year I thought Roko Prkacin comped well to Marcus Morris and Rui Hachimura. Solid 1st-round prospect, imo. I haven't checked him out this season.

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So Roko and Jovic draft stock plummeted? Anyone more knowledgeable let me know?

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So Roko and Jovic draft stock plummeted? Anyone more knowledgeable let me know?

Haven't checked out either in detail this year but both aren't what you'd hoped for to start the season. Roko I was high on last year but this year – playing for the same team and playing the same amount of MPG – he's worse almost across the board by the numbers and saw his usage decline as well. You'd have hoped for progress, instead there doesn't seem to be any. Jovic' numbers are also looking very mediocre, but I don't know how he's looking to scouts.

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So Roko and Jovic draft stock plummeted? Anyone more knowledgeable let me know?

Haven't checked out either in detail this year but both aren't what you'd hoped for to start the season. Roko I was high on last year but this year – playing for the same team and playing the same amount of MPG – he's worse almost across the board by the numbers and saw his usage decline as well. You'd have hoped for progress, instead there doesn't seem to be any. Jovic' numbers are also looking very mediocre, but I don't know how he's looking to scouts.

Yeah I'm not a euro scout by any means but I liked Roko as a prospect last year. I was also very intrigued by Jovics U19 showing during the summer. But I haven't heard anything on him since and it seems like his stock has fizzled a bit as of late.

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I still think Jovic has top 10 talent, especially in a meh class like this. He isnt showing out after his great U19 but he still has tons of talent.

Roko I always saw as a offense only bench talent but still think late R1 / early R2 is his spot.

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I still think Jovic has top 10 talent, especially in a meh class like this. He isnt showing out after his great U19 but he still has tons of talent.

Roko I always saw as a offense only bench talent but still think late R1 / early R2 is his spot.

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all of this talk about bigs and how the raw athletic bigs who are just rim runners aren't as valuable has me thinking - what bigs (and by bigs I mean guys who can realistically play the 5 a decent amount of the time in the NBA) are more than just the raw athletic rim runner?

Oh and I consider paolo and Chet more of a 4 than a 5 at the NBA level.

One of the first guys I think of is Tristan Vukcevic. The dude is a good floor spacing shooter who's also shown flashes of putting the ball on the floor and creating off the dribble. Kind of better suited for the 4 but i don't know about that - almost seems like he's a step slow for the 4 in the NBA but maybe not quite as big (only 220 lbs), strong or physical enough to hang with a lot of the bigs in the NBA. And it's hard to evaluate him accurately since Real Madrid is not giving him much minutes. So i'm thinking he might stay overseas another year and try for the 2023 draft.

Then there's Makur Maker, a dude who can clearly play the 5. Maybe a little at the 4 but I think the 5 is the better spot for him, even though it does look like he slimmed down a little but and got a step quicker since the combine a few months ago). Maker can definitely space the floor, shoot the 3 and dribble drive but his shot and driving hasn't looked great so far in the NBL - it's still very early in the season, though. Since he's 21 yrs old though, he is definitely looking to get drafted this year. If his he can get his shot falling and drive moves smoother over the course of the rest of the season, he could rise up draft boards..

Walker Kessler - showed a more versatile skill set with outside shooting and dribble drive moves in HS but we just haven't seen it in college yet. Maybe he expands his game and shows us more rest of this season to raise his stock?

Hunter Dickinson - apparently he actually leads Michigan's team in 3 pt shooting at 38%. I just don't see him getting drafted though because a) moves too slow up and down the court and b) offers basically no rim protection

Moussa Diabate - kind of similar story to Kessler - showed ability to shoot it and dribble drive it in HS but not as much in college. I kind of see him projecting as more of a 4 - but that is contingent upon him showing the perimeter skills he flashed in HS. Looks like he added some weight since HS too so he may end up being more of a 5.

Khalifa Diop - has flashed some perimeter skills, especially in the U19. tournament this past summer where he hit a couple of 3's vs Team USA but we haven't seen it so far this season for his pro team - he's been playing like a traditional big this season from the footage i've seen..

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Doing a deep dive on Gabriele Procida. Looking up stats, doing some research, watching film....

He's a better prospect than Nikola Jovic IMO. Really high on Italy's young duo of Procida and Spagnolo. They got game!

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anyone else see this game?

wow!

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awesome game. really good, tough, hard nosed defense by both teams in overtime.

Besson with 2 huge clutch baskets, 1 end of regulation and 1 in OT.

If you watch this and don't rank him at least top 20 on your big board..you crazy! Remember this is better compettion than NCAA.

Oh and Dieng didn't look good. He has good potential but he just isn't ready for this level of basketball yet, he's overmatched and can't hit any shots.