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Hal14 wrote:EMG518 wrote:Westbrook vibes, maybe a little Ja.
Those are both point guards, though. Ivey projects better at the next level as a 2, IMO.
Duke4life831 wrote:I view him as a faster Donovan Mitchell. What I mean by that is the role I see him excelling at in the NBA. I think he is going to be a high volume scorer, I can see him having similar efficiency numbers as we see Mitchell having. I also can see him being like a 5 assist a game guy. But you dont want him being your PG, even if he will have the ball in his hands the most on the team. Ideally you'd pair him up with Lonzo Ball/Mike Conley/Tyus Jones kind of PG. A smart low usage PG that is able to settle the offense down and run sets when needed.
That too me would be the ideal pairing for Ivey. So ya I think if youre drafting him with the thought of him being your PG, I dont think it will go all that well.
clyde21 wrote:Hal14 wrote:EMG518 wrote:Westbrook vibes, maybe a little Ja.
Those are both point guards, though. Ivey projects better at the next level as a 2, IMO.
that's the biggest differentiator between him and Morant really, Morant more than doubled Ivey's assist rate coming out, 10 assists per 36 to Ivey's 4.2
Duke4life831 wrote:I view him as a faster Donovan Mitchell. What I mean by that is the role I see him excelling at in the NBA. I think he is going to be a high volume scorer, I can see him having similar efficiency numbers as we see Mitchell having. I also can see him being like a 5 assist a game guy. But you dont want him being your PG, even if he will have the ball in his hands the most on the team. Ideally you'd pair him up with Lonzo Ball/Mike Conley/Tyus Jones kind of PG. A smart low usage PG that is able to settle the offense down and run sets when needed.
That too me would be the ideal pairing for Ivey. So ya I think if youre drafting him with the thought of him being your PG, I dont think it will go all that well.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:I feel like Fox is a bit closer of a comp than Morant - but I'm not enamored with any of these point guard comps.
clyde21 wrote:babyjax13 wrote:I feel like Fox is a bit closer of a comp than Morant - but I'm not enamored with any of these point guard comps.
b/c he's not really a PG, more of a combo guard, which is why probably the best comp is someone like Donovan Mitchell even tho that's not really perfect either.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:clyde21 wrote:babyjax13 wrote:I feel like Fox is a bit closer of a comp than Morant - but I'm not enamored with any of these point guard comps.
b/c he's not really a PG, more of a combo guard, which is why probably the best comp is someone like Donovan Mitchell even tho that's not really perfect either.
I thought of Donovan too, thought of Shai ... but I think he's just a unique player. He has a lot of translatable skills, for sure, but he's way more explosive than some of the other nearest possible comps (LeVert), and way bigger than some others (Mitchell).
clyde21 wrote:babyjax13 wrote:clyde21 wrote:
b/c he's not really a PG, more of a combo guard, which is why probably the best comp is someone like Donovan Mitchell even tho that's not really perfect either.
I thought of Donovan too, thought of Shai ... but I think he's just a unique player. He has a lot of translatable skills, for sure, but he's way more explosive than some of the other nearest possible comps (LeVert), and way bigger than some others (Mitchell).
D-Mitch had a 6-10 w/s, don't think Ivey comes close to that, so I think size is negligable there
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
Ruzious wrote:I have him 2nd in the draft. If I had to compare him to anyone, it'd be a speeded up version of Jrue Holiday - who I consider the top defensive guard in the NBA. Jrue is far from a pure PG, but as Milwaukee showed, you don't need a true PG to win an NBA Championship. I'm not ready to compare him to DWade, but he's as close as anyone I've seen to him in recent years.
yoyoboy wrote:Ruzious wrote:I have him 2nd in the draft. If I had to compare him to anyone, it'd be a speeded up version of Jrue Holiday - who I consider the top defensive guard in the NBA. Jrue is far from a pure PG, but as Milwaukee showed, you don't need a true PG to win an NBA Championship. I'm not ready to compare him to DWade, but he's as close as anyone I've seen to him in recent years.
Who do you have 1st? Jabari?
clyde21 wrote:have my doubts but if Ivey does have a 6-10 w/s that's huge
Hal14 wrote:man, if he keeps shooting like this....
wow.
this dude is locked in this season. and at U19 he was a beast.
He's so fun to watch. so fast and athletic.
Clearly a top 4 guy right now, along with chet, jabari and paolo.
Ivey has a case for the no. 1 spot.
honestly i have all 4 of them on the same tier, all very different players but all could end no. 1. lots of basketball left to be played this season..
NYPiston wrote:Hal14 wrote:man, if he keeps shooting like this....
wow.
this dude is locked in this season. and at U19 he was a beast.
He's so fun to watch. so fast and athletic.
Clearly a top 4 guy right now, along with chet, jabari and paolo.
Ivey has a case for the no. 1 spot.
honestly i have all 4 of them on the same tier, all very different players but all could end no. 1. lots of basketball left to be played this season..
Yeah, it seems to be a top 4 cluster then a gap in these very early days.
I said this months ago that I had a feeling that Ivey would shoot up draft charts because of his strong close to last season and that special dynamic ability to get wherever he wants on the court whenever he wants. The biggest question was his long range shooting which looks much improved, the ball handling can get a bit erratic too but he likely won't be a primary ballhandler at the next level anyway. Still a few raw aspects to his game but that upside is tantalizing.
Last years' draft was better this time last year but I don't think this draft is THAT far behind at the top. Lots of high upside guys with Smith, Chet and Ivey and Banchero has a really high floor. I think this draft has a chance to be looked at more favorably as the season wears on because there's so many raw players that have a lot of upside.
Coeur wrote:NYPiston wrote:Hal14 wrote:man, if he keeps shooting like this....
wow.
this dude is locked in this season. and at U19 he was a beast.
He's so fun to watch. so fast and athletic.
Clearly a top 4 guy right now, along with chet, jabari and paolo.
Ivey has a case for the no. 1 spot.
honestly i have all 4 of them on the same tier, all very different players but all could end no. 1. lots of basketball left to be played this season..
Yeah, it seems to be a top 4 cluster then a gap in these very early days.
I said this months ago that I had a feeling that Ivey would shoot up draft charts because of his strong close to last season and that special dynamic ability to get wherever he wants on the court whenever he wants. The biggest question was his long range shooting which looks much improved, the ball handling can get a bit erratic too but he likely won't be a primary ballhandler at the next level anyway. Still a few raw aspects to his game but that upside is tantalizing.
Last years' draft was better this time last year but I don't think this draft is THAT far behind at the top. Lots of high upside guys with Smith, Chet and Ivey and Banchero has a really high floor. I think this draft has a chance to be looked at more favorably as the season wears on because there's so many raw players that have a lot of upside.
This guy is an NBA PG. if you don’t buy him at pg than you should keep him 4-8 or 10 range. As a pg is why he can be pick 1-5