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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#21 » by tmorgan » Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:11 am

Patches Perry wrote:For OKC at #2, I don't want Banchero. I think he'll be a good NBA player but he strikes me as a low impact stats guy who will score the ball probably 20ppg+ but will be tunnel vision on offense and stunt the system.


Buuut that’s not Paolo at all. His a playmaker, for himself and others, at power forward.

Now his defense may suck, and he may not shoot from outside very well, but calling him out for tunnel vision is a strange take.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#22 » by zike_42 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:34 am

Personally I don't want the Knicks to pick TyTy just because they "need" a point guard. If he's the best player there, then great. But if we reach for a PG then that'll be a problem.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#23 » by tidho » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:06 pm

toooskies wrote:I really don't want the Cavs to get Agbaji and add to the logjam they have at shooting guard. Or Branham or Johnny Davis. If they get a guard, he needs to be a plus playmaker.


My short answer is Branham.

Reasons are the same. The team needs a long wing, the last thing they need is a SG when they've already got a logjam at the position even before the draft. His role completely overlaps with Sexton and his skillset completely overlaps with LeVert. I also don't see Branham as a plus NBA defender which means he isn't a good long term fit with Garland. Plus he doesn't have any position versatility.

Agree that I don't particularly want any of the three guys you mention, but Branham is easily the worst option of the three for CLE.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#24 » by K_chile22 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:19 pm

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Patches Perry wrote:For OKC at #2, I don't want Banchero. I think he'll be a good NBA player but he strikes me as a low impact stats guy who will score the ball probably 20ppg+ but will be tunnel vision on offense and stunt the system.


Buuut that’s not Paolo at all. His a playmaker, for himself and others, at power forward.

Now his defense may suck, and he may not shoot from outside very well, but calling him out for tunnel vision is a strange take.

Yeah, legit may be the best passer to go in the lotto. Either him or Dyson
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Post#25 » by Patches Perry » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:51 pm

tmorgan wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:For OKC at #2, I don't want Banchero. I think he'll be a good NBA player but he strikes me as a low impact stats guy who will score the ball probably 20ppg+ but will be tunnel vision on offense and stunt the system.


Buuut that’s not Paolo at all. His a playmaker, for himself and others, at power forward.

Now his defense may suck, and he may not shoot from outside very well, but calling him out for tunnel vision is a strange take.


Tunnel vision may be the wrong description, maybe ball stopper is closer to what I'm going for. I could end up totally wrong but I just didn't care for how he approached the game on the offensive end (despite being very talented) in the times I saw him play.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#26 » by Wizop » Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:58 pm

Patches Perry wrote:Tunnel vision may be the wrong description, maybe ball stopper is closer to what I'm going for. I could end up totally wrong but I just didn't care for how he approached the game on the offensive end (despite being very talented) in the times I saw him play.


I'd discount that as he'll be playing alongside better scorers at the next level.
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Post#27 » by CptCrunch » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:04 pm

Patches Perry wrote:For OKC at #2, I don't want Banchero. I think he'll be a good NBA player but he strikes me as a low impact stats guy who will score the ball probably 20ppg+ but will be tunnel vision on offense and stunt the system.


You are describing Jabari Smith
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Post#28 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:18 pm

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Patches Perry wrote:For OKC at #2, I don't want Banchero. I think he'll be a good NBA player but he strikes me as a low impact stats guy who will score the ball probably 20ppg+ but will be tunnel vision on offense and stunt the system.


You are describing Jabari Smith
Hopefully, Jabari's offense catches up with his defense.

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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#29 » by shangrila » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:33 pm

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toooskies wrote:I really don't want the Cavs to get Agbaji and add to the logjam they have at shooting guard. Or Branham or Johnny Davis. If they get a guard, he needs to be a plus playmaker.


My short answer is Branham.

Reasons are the same. The team needs a long wing, the last thing they need is a SG when they've already got a logjam at the position even before the draft. His role completely overlaps with Sexton and his skillset completely overlaps with LeVert. I also don't see Branham as a plus NBA defender which means he isn't a good long term fit with Garland. Plus he doesn't have any position versatility.

Agree that I don't particularly want any of the three guys you mention, but Branham is easily the worst option of the three for CLE.

As an outsider I agree 100%. Mocking Branham to the Cavs always seemed like a lazy take on the Ohio connection.

In terms of Agbaji though, I don't think it'd be all bad if he went to Cleveland. At 6-6 he can probably cover a lot of SFs defensively, especially if he's got that Mobley-Allen frontcourt behind him. And the shooting should help a lot.

Although if you guys are looking for a plus playmaker in this draft then you might be out of luck, especially in that mid-1st range.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#30 » by Mickey8 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:48 pm

shangrila wrote:Nikola Jovic. I think he's the bad kind of tweener defensively; not quick enough to guard the perimeter, nowhere near strong enough to guard the interior. And his offence is not good enough to compensate.

Good idea for a thread.

What the hell you talking about. No Nikola's have ever failed in the NBA. Jokic,Pekovic,Mirotic,Vucevic all off them had and having productive NBA careers. Jovic is the sure thing :wink:
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Post#31 » by shangrila » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:53 pm

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shangrila wrote:Nikola Jovic. I think he's the bad kind of tweener defensively; not quick enough to guard the perimeter, nowhere near strong enough to guard the interior. And his offence is not good enough to compensate.

Good idea for a thread.

What the hell you talking about. No Nikola's have ever failed in the NBA. Jokic,Pekovic,Mirotic,Vucevic all off them had and having productive NBA careers. Jovic is the sure thing :wink:

First time for everything my friend.

Besides, Jovic is like the anti-Nikola. You see what all the others have in common? They're all THICC, burly men with stout chests and stouter arms. Jovic is skinny arms, puny chest. Ne valja.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#32 » by stormi » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:15 am

Here's 3.

Marjon Beauchamp
Dalen Terry
Nikola Jovic
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Post#33 » by stormi » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:17 am

toooskies wrote:I really don't want the Cavs to get Agbaji and add to the logjam they have at shooting guard. Or Branham or Johnny Davis. If they get a guard, he needs to be a plus playmaker.


Agbaji scamming his way into the lottery is one of the biggest headscratchers of this years draft for me. He's not some sort of defensive playmaker or harbouring freakish measurables. I don't believe in his shooting and his stats for a 4 years college player are hardly impressive.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#34 » by dawhizz » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:51 am

Beauchamp for the Bulls. If they draft a wing, they need one who can make 3s right away.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#35 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:01 am

stormi wrote:
toooskies wrote:I really don't want the Cavs to get Agbaji and add to the logjam they have at shooting guard. Or Branham or Johnny Davis. If they get a guard, he needs to be a plus playmaker.


Agbaji scamming his way into the lottery is one of the biggest headscratchers of this years draft for me. He's not some sort of defensive playmaker or harbouring freakish measurables. I don't believe in his shooting and his stats for a 4 years college player are hardly impressive.


Your post is the reason why people get criticized for saying that an early entry prospect should go back to school to improve. Here's an an example of a guy doing just that successfully and he is actually characterized as a scammer for improving his game.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#36 » by JRoy » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:58 am

stormi wrote:Here's 3.

Marjon Beauchamp
Dalen Terry
Nikola Jovic


Interesting.

I can understand the other two. Why Terry?
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#37 » by EMG518 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:31 am

There are honestly a bunch in the Knicks draft range that I really don't want them to pick. Will just name a few.

1.AJ Griffin, I don't think he has a position defensively and outside of his shooting I don't think there is much upside on offense.

2.Jalen Duren-I don't believe he will be as good defensively with NBA spacing and doesn't bring much as far as skill on offense. I rather just sign a guy like a Kevon Looney than use pick # 11 on him.

3.Bennedict Mathurin-I don't believe him to be very good defensively, I don't think he has any playmaking potential, so you are basically drafting an athletic shooter whom isn't the best either at shooting.
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Post#38 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Jun 17, 2022 6:42 am

EMG518 wrote:There are honestly a bunch in the Knicks draft range that I really don't want them to pick. Will just name a few.

1.AJ Griffin, I don't think he has a position defensively and outside of his shooting I don't think there is much upside on offense.

2.Jalen Duren-I don't believe he will be as good defensively with NBA spacing and doesn't bring much as far as skill on offense. I rather just sign a guy like a Kevon Looney than use pick # 11 on him.

3.Bennedict Mathurin-I don't believe him to be very good defensively, I don't think he has any playmaking potential, so you are basically drafting an athletic shooter whom isn't the best either at shooting.


He's a career 38% three point shooter from the new NCAA three point line/FIBA line on 5 attempts per game. How much better does he have to be at his age? In five years he may lead the entire NBA in three point makes.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#39 » by EMG518 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:12 am

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EMG518 wrote:There are honestly a bunch in the Knicks draft range that I really don't want them to pick. Will just name a few.

1.AJ Griffin, I don't think he has a position defensively and outside of his shooting I don't think there is much upside on offense.

2.Jalen Duren-I don't believe he will be as good defensively with NBA spacing and doesn't bring much as far as skill on offense. I rather just sign a guy like a Kevon Looney than use pick # 11 on him.

3.Bennedict Mathurin-I don't believe him to be very good defensively, I don't think he has any playmaking potential, so you are basically drafting an athletic shooter whom isn't the best either at shooting.


He's a career 38% three point shooter from the new NCAA three point line/FIBA line on 5 attempts per game. How much better does he have to be at his age? In five years he may lead the entire NBA in three point makes.


38% from 3 in college is not anything special and he was 76% from the line this past season, you also ignored that he hasn't been good defensively and I dont believe he can handle the ball and play make.
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Re: Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why 

Post#40 » by mattyj » Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:16 am

Keegan Murray

Don't think he'll be bad but I don't see a star

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