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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#21 » by Upperclass » Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:38 pm

He plays exactly like Aaron Gordon
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#22 » by The Moose » Sun May 28, 2023 3:58 am

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lol, 27/16/11 and 45/14/8, all in 1 day

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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#23 » by clyde21 » Sun May 28, 2023 7:04 am

this guy is just pure and utter filth

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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#24 » by Lockdown504090 » Sun May 28, 2023 3:21 pm

I need to see more. I love his energy footwork and length, that will take him pretty far. I’m interested to see him play somebody good though in a whole game.
I’m going to see him in person at some point this summer, so I’ll have more thoughts later
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#25 » by BlazersBroncos » Sun May 28, 2023 4:56 pm

Future Top-3 pick - kid looks like AK47 - not quite as twitchy but a far better shooter, who even w/o the AK twitch should be a outrageous stat stuffer at the next level.
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#26 » by Duke4life831 » Sun May 28, 2023 5:11 pm

Lockdown504090 wrote:I need to see more. I love his energy footwork and length, that will take him pretty far. I’m interested to see him play somebody good though in a whole game.
I’m going to see him in person at some point this summer, so I’ll have more thoughts later


I will say he and the Boozer twins have been beating up on lower age guys in these massive games. And to be clear, when I say lower age guys when it comes to Flagg and Boozer its them doing it against kids their own age. But still they can and probably should be playing up.

To me the smartest thing Flagg has done was leave Maine and go down to Florida. The only time he was facing legit talent when he was up in Maine was during camps and on team USA. But he did go down to Florida and is going to Montverde and plays as tough of a high school schedule you can get in high school basketball. And with that, he was still a NPOY finalist as a Soph.

He has two more obvious/smart choices he needs to make next.

1. Reclassify and be the youngest prospect in the 2025 draft class
2. Of course choose Duke...
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#27 » by GSWFan1994 » Sun May 28, 2023 5:48 pm

Great prospect indeed, though I'm not seeing it with the Kirilenko comp.

Flagg seems to have way better ballhandling, passing and outside shooting than AK, at the same age.

He has a little KD in his game, IMO.
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#28 » by Duke4life831 » Sun May 28, 2023 5:57 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Great prospect indeed, though I'm not seeing it with the Kirilenko comp.

Flagg seems to have way better ballhandling, passing and outside shooting than AK, at the same age.

He has a little KD in his game, IMO.


The AK comps come from being a white freak defensive wing prospect.

Ill also say in normal game environments he isnt putting up crazy offensive numbers either. At Montverde and USA basketball, its the defense that stands out at a much more consistent rate. No matter the competition, his defense is just hard to comprehend a lot of the time. While the offense is good, but not wow.

With that said, his offense has been progressing at a very good rate. And his handle getting better to go with that high 80s+% FT shot. His offensive potential is also through the roof. But ya the first thing that sticks out with him, especially in normal high level games (not 16s EYBL) is the defense.
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#29 » by Duke4life831 » Sun May 28, 2023 6:02 pm

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Not a crazy highlight or anything. But showing some very good smoothness in the open court. I also dont think he's done growing as an athlete. The dude already moves very well in the open court for someone his size.
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#30 » by Lockdown504090 » Sun May 28, 2023 6:38 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:I need to see more. I love his energy footwork and length, that will take him pretty far. I’m interested to see him play somebody good though in a whole game.
I’m going to see him in person at some point this summer, so I’ll have more thoughts later


I will say he and the Boozer twins have been beating up on lower age guys in these massive games. And to be clear, when I say lower age guys when it comes to Flagg and Boozer its them doing it against kids their own age.

To me the smartest thing Flagg has done was leave Maine and go down to Florida. The only time he was facing legit talent when he was up in Maine was during camps and on team USA. But he did go down to Florida and is going to Montverde and plays as tough of a high school schedule you can get in high school basketball. And with that, he was still a NPOY finalist as a Soph.

He has two more obvious/smart choices he needs to make next.

1. Reclassify and be the youngest prospect in the 2025 draft class
2. Of course choose Duke...

Being a white star at duke would be excellent for his development. I woulda said to go to the g league after next year so he can’t just jump over people, but the level of prep from these coaches he’s going to experience as a white guy playing for duke that relies on athleticism might be just as good for him. From what I’ve seen the basic idea is to take away the easy jumper, make him go right, not let him spin and stay down on the pump fake. He reminds me of present Siakam, but a better two foot leaper.
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#31 » by Duke4life831 » Sun May 28, 2023 6:49 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:I need to see more. I love his energy footwork and length, that will take him pretty far. I’m interested to see him play somebody good though in a whole game.
I’m going to see him in person at some point this summer, so I’ll have more thoughts later


I will say he and the Boozer twins have been beating up on lower age guys in these massive games. And to be clear, when I say lower age guys when it comes to Flagg and Boozer its them doing it against kids their own age.

To me the smartest thing Flagg has done was leave Maine and go down to Florida. The only time he was facing legit talent when he was up in Maine was during camps and on team USA. But he did go down to Florida and is going to Montverde and plays as tough of a high school schedule you can get in high school basketball. And with that, he was still a NPOY finalist as a Soph.

He has two more obvious/smart choices he needs to make next.

1. Reclassify and be the youngest prospect in the 2025 draft class
2. Of course choose Duke...

Being a white star at duke would be excellent for his development. I woulda said to go to the g league after next year so he can’t just jump over people, but the level of prep from these coaches he’s going to experience as a white guy playing for duke that relies on athleticism might be just as good for him. From what I’ve seen the basic idea is to take away the easy jumper, make him go right, not let him spin and stay down on the pump fake. He reminds me of present Siakam, but a better two foot leaper.


I joke about the Duke part. But mainly because I would love to see him there and Duke is considered the heavy heavy favorite to land him. He's come out and said multiple times Duke is his dream school and the two guys he tries to mold his game after is Tatum and Grayson Allen...

And ya if he wouldve stayed up in Maine I would get the questioning of the comp. But he's been a true stud on the international level and one of the best players in the country playing at Montverde. Dude has been dominating no matter the level of comp.

And the way he (and Boozer) dominate the younger EYBL really speaks to just how good these guys are. Its pretty rare to see guys put up these kinds of crazy stat lines this consistently. And again its not like they're not going against the other top tier guys in their class. The biggest complaint with these two guys is people complaining they're choosing to play against guys their own age in these tournaments.

But ya the dude flirted with a 50/40/90 season as a Soph at Montverde while also probably being the best defensive player in high school. He's legit and isnt some Semi Ojeleye situation where he's only beating up tiny teams with no college level players. He's playing as good of comp as you can ask for, for a guy his age between Montverde and international play.
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#32 » by RookieStar » Sun May 28, 2023 9:18 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
I will say he and the Boozer twins have been beating up on lower age guys in these massive games. And to be clear, when I say lower age guys when it comes to Flagg and Boozer its them doing it against kids their own age.

To me the smartest thing Flagg has done was leave Maine and go down to Florida. The only time he was facing legit talent when he was up in Maine was during camps and on team USA. But he did go down to Florida and is going to Montverde and plays as tough of a high school schedule you can get in high school basketball. And with that, he was still a NPOY finalist as a Soph.

He has two more obvious/smart choices he needs to make next.

1. Reclassify and be the youngest prospect in the 2025 draft class
2. Of course choose Duke...

Being a white star at duke would be excellent for his development. I woulda said to go to the g league after next year so he can’t just jump over people, but the level of prep from these coaches he’s going to experience as a white guy playing for duke that relies on athleticism might be just as good for him. From what I’ve seen the basic idea is to take away the easy jumper, make him go right, not let him spin and stay down on the pump fake. He reminds me of present Siakam, but a better two foot leaper.


I joke about the Duke part. But mainly because I would love to see him there and Duke is considered the heavy heavy favorite to land him. He's come out and said multiple times Duke is his dream school and the two guys he tries to mold his game after is Tatum and Grayson Allen...

And ya if he wouldve stayed up in Maine I would get the questioning of the comp. But he's been a true stud on the international level and one of the best players in the country playing at Montverde. Dude has been dominating no matter the level of comp.

And the way he (and Boozer) dominate the younger EYBL really speaks to just how good these guys are. Its pretty rare to see guys put up these kinds of crazy stat lines this consistently. And again its not like they're not going against the other top tier guys in their class. The biggest complaint with these two guys is people complaining they're choosing to play against guys their own age in these tournaments.

But ya the dude flirted with a 50/40/90 season as a Soph at Montverde while also probably being the best defensive player in high school. He's legit and isnt some Semi Ojeleye situation where he's only beating up tiny teams with no college level players. He's playing as good of comp as you can ask for, for a guy his age between Montverde and international play.



Yikes.. I hope it doesn't involve legs...
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#34 » by SeattleJazzFan » Tue May 30, 2023 8:06 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Great prospect indeed, though I'm not seeing it with the Kirilenko comp.

Flagg seems to have way better ballhandling, passing and outside shooting than AK, at the same age.

He has a little KD in his game, IMO.


ak was an elite passer. but yeah, i don't think anybody is comparing them as scorers.

for all the praise i've given flagg on this forum it does bother me he isn't playing up in age at the eybl.
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#35 » by Upperclass » Tue May 30, 2023 11:18 pm

Heavy-legged, not super agile. He actually plays like Josh Smith with less bounce
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#36 » by Duke4life831 » Wed May 31, 2023 1:47 am

Upperclass wrote:Heavy-legged, not super agile. He actually plays like Josh Smith with less bounce


I dont get this at all. If he was so heavy legged and not agile, he wouldnt be such a versatile beast on the defensive end.
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#37 » by Upperclass » Sat Jun 3, 2023 8:13 pm

^ There have been a number of similar players of his archetype that did similar things in h.s.. Josh McRoberts, Josh Smith, Mitch McGary.. Plumlee Brothers. We see different things, but to me, he isn't really blowing by anyone in h.s.. he's fast enough in a straight line, and turns like an SUV. That being said, he's obviously dominant and obviously knows how to play. But he also developed faster athletically than anyone in his class aside from the Boozer boys
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#38 » by Lockdown504090 » Sat Jun 3, 2023 9:37 pm

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Upperclass wrote:Heavy-legged, not super agile. He actually plays like Josh Smith with less bounce


I dont get this at all. If he was so heavy legged and not agile, he wouldnt be such a versatile beast on the defensive end.

If he ends up being Josh smith with less bounce and shooting the way coop does, he’s a sure fire hall of gamer. Calling someone Josh smith is a pretty high compliment. That guy was a beast
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#39 » by Upperclass » Sun Jun 4, 2023 1:27 am

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Upperclass wrote:Heavy-legged, not super agile. He actually plays like Josh Smith with less bounce


I dont get this at all. If he was so heavy legged and not agile, he wouldnt be such a versatile beast on the defensive end.

If he ends up being Josh smith with less bounce and shooting the way coop does, he’s a sure fire hall of gamer. Calling someone Josh smith is a pretty high compliment. That guy was a beast


Yeah im not sure why the other poster took it as a dig. He has that type of game but can actually shoot
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Re: Cooper Flagg - HS 

Post#40 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Jul 6, 2023 7:46 pm

So Flagg just won NBA Top 100 camp MVP and followed that up with one of the most dominant performances the Peach Jam has ever seen.

38 points
16 rebounds
11 blocks (including blocking the game tying attempt at the end of the game)
6 assists

I mean this is reaching just flat out freakish territories now.

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