If Scoot were in the 2024 NBA draft...

[Myth]

I would absolutely be calling Washington if I was Portland and getting the #2 pick for Scoot.
I would rather take a chance on at least 5-6 guys, maybe more knowing I get the extra year of rookie production as well.

Washington would be clowned so hard for making that trade.

I wouldn't mind trading him for Sarr, but that is it. Then I'd use the #7 to draft Castle or Topic.

[JMAC3]

I'd say he'd still go #1, by a fair margin.
Although, Scoot does have his detractors....

I think this thread has been informative in confirming this statement.

Everyone except JMAC3 and Big J have said Scoot would go #1 fairly easily.
Those two are big detractors and don't like Scoot as a prospect (which is fair).

I didn't love Scoot as a prospect last year. However, the longer the season went along, the more of a believer in Scoot I became (ie - I'm higher on his long-term potential now than I was July 1 last year).

But even with my lowest evaluation of Scoot, I'd still take him #1 in this draft.

I mean that is a lot of double downing on a guy that was really bad.
Heck if we are honest he was bad in the Gleague too but people didn't care.
Everyone is roasting Holland for being inefficient but he had a better True Shooting % than Scoot did his first year then Scoot had his 2nd full season in Gleague.

All he did was chuck shots on an awful team all year. I expect his raw numbers to go down this year to be honest with Portland having Simons, Brogdon, Sharpe, pick 7 and pick 14 on the roster. His efficiency will go up, because that is all that it can do especially if Portland revs down his role with those other guys being more deserving of reps.

[OriAr]

I would absolutely be calling Washington if I was Portland and getting the #2 pick for Scoot.
I would rather take a chance on at least 5-6 guys, maybe more knowing I get the extra year of rookie production as well.

Washington would be clowned so hard for making that trade.

The only team clowned on would be the Blazers.
Scoot's ceiling is higher than all of the guards in this year's draft (unless you really buy into Dillingham), for the Wizards that trade is as no brainer as it gets.
And Scoot has shown plenty of promise in his rookie year after his bad start.

[JMAC3]

This conversation has only been about his offense too, he is somehow even worse on defense.
2% defender according to EPM.

Scoot is basically if Castle was his projected offense, but awful on defense.

[CptCrunch]

Scoot is at least a tier better than Ivey.

Only hindsight revisionist don't have Scoot at #1.

I would even draft Scoot conditional on his suspect play his rookie season easily at #3-ish. Unconditional before his draft, he is consensus #1 by a huge margin.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Scoot was considered a great prospect by the majority of draft "experts" and him being at the top is one of the reason these people felt the 2023 class was great. Obviously they were wrong like they mostly are. Even based on his draft stock at the time I don't think he would go #1 in 2024 simply because of team needs. ATL wouldn't take him since they have Trae and Dejounte. But he would probably go #2 to Wizards.

If we're talking where would he go with what we know now? I think he'd struggle to be a top 10 pick. He's probably be end of lottery

[billy_hoyle]

I like Scoot as a prospect. He had a poor rookie year, and that definitely removed some of his shine. I think he would be rated after Topic in this draft. Possibly around Collier.

[Rustyman]

Any of the top 3 teams in this draft would not swap their pick for Scoot. Hawks, Wizards and Rockets will each pick a player expecting better outcomes from their draft picks in their first year than Scoot provided this year.

And this is coming from a person who believes that Scoot will make at least a couple of all star appearances in this career.

[wemby]

If we go by pre draft hype, then no. 1.
If we go by what we've seen, I'd say that I'd rather have probably every guard this side of Collier before him (Castle, Dillingham, Sheppard, Topic, Devin Carter, McCain) and several other non guards as well (Sarr, Risacher, Clingan, Buzellis, Holland, Knecht, Cody Williams).

[One_and_Done]

#1 and it wouldn't be particularly close

Yup.

[red_power]

Top-5 pick for sure.

Scoot stinks but Dear Lord, we are talking about the draft where Sarr (raw prospect with little offensive game developed) considered to lock as a top-3 selection and Castle, who might easily end up even less efficient guard than Henderson, is a consensus top-10 pick.

Henderson didn't play well but this year's draft is just too weak.

[JMAC3]

Top-5 pick for sure.

Scoot stinks but Dear Lord, we talking about the draft where Sarr (raw prospect with little offensive game developed) considered to lock a top-3 selection and Castle, who might easily end up even less efficient guard than Henderson, is a consensus top-10 pick.

Henderson didn't play well but this year's draft is just too weak.

Sounds like the 7th pick can be had for cheap from you lol

[vincecarter4pres]

That is a depressing thought.

I mean he just went 3rd overall, it isn’t like we’re talking about the 12th overall pick making an eleven spot jump.

[JMAC3]

The amount of people who were still saying Scoot should go #1 in this latest draft...

Meanwhile Scoot in year 2
Off EPM 15%
Def EPM 5%
Overall EPM 4%

Ranks 381/397 in overall EPM grade.

[JRoy]

The amount of people who were still saying Scoot should go #1 in this latest draft...

Meanwhile Scoot in year 2
Off EPM 15%
Def EPM 5%
Overall EPM 4%

Ranks 381/397 in overall EPM grade.

He is damn terrible.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Scoot based on pre-draft scouting report likely goes #1. Scoot based on what we know now and who was picking where? 10th or 11th

[babyjax13]

The amount of people who were still saying Scoot should go #1 in this latest draft...

Meanwhile Scoot in year 2
Off EPM 15%
Def EPM 5%
Overall EPM 4%

Ranks 381/397 in overall EPM grade.

I'm not sure that we are to the point where sample size is large enough to be definitive, but based on the season so far ...

Point guards only,

Players worse than Scoot by CPM (-4.2): no one
others clustered near: Keyonte George (-4.0), Jamal Shead (-3.9), Carlton Carrington (-3.8), Rob Dillingham (-2.7)

worse DARKO (-2.9): Keyonte George (-4.7), Jamal Shead (-3.2), Carlton Carrington (-3.0), Stephon Castle (-2.9, tie)
close: Rob Dillingham (-2.7), Reed Sheppard (-2.7)

worse EPM (-4.8): Isaiah Collier (-4.9)
close: Jalen Hood-Schifino (-4.1), Keyonte George (-3.8), Carlton Carrington (-3.6), Rob Dillingham (-3.6)

Right now he is clustered with other similarly young point guards, but you'd obviously hope a player drafted higher, and in a better draft than 2024 is likely to be, would be performing much better. DARKO is supposed to be predictive of future value, rather than a measure of current value (it is based on current value as a prior) and it expects Scoot to cluster with the same guys we see in the other +/- metric (which makes sense).

Scoot had an abysmal 3 game start to the season, and once that noise is out I think he's going to regularize higher than some of these guys (same case with George). But, no, it does not look fantastic. I still have faith that he has the talent and physical attributes to be a successful starting point guard, but if he is a success story, it might be the "Kemba Walker" path (who was terribly inefficient for his first 4 seasons, only one above 50%TS, his second at 51.1%).

But I'll still maintain my position, I think Scoot after his rookie season, with all the information we had, still would have gone top two. If after this season he makes no meaningful improvements, then I'll sell most of my stock and it will be clear that people were right about the red flags.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I think really bad players have terrible stretches of games because they're really bad players. You shouldn't discount them and call them noise. I remember this happening with Killian Hayes, he had a terrible stretch of games, then started and had a good stretch of games, pistons fans acted like this guy was an nba starter, I argued he just had a terrible stretch of games because he's a bad player and they have terrible stretches of games at times. But there was almost universal agreement that Killian Hayes was simply a good offensive player (at the time). Bad stretches/games you can't just discount them. Anyways he was out of the league, still a bad offensive player a year or so later, so I won that one in the end. Scoots still developing but I'd still argue that he has absolute terrible games because he's not good, and not being ready at the beginning of the season and putting up terrible games isn't a good sign either (to me at least).

[Big J]

I'm still waiting on my apology from Clyde.

[Myth]

He’s definitely dropped even more in hindsight. (A) Because he doesn’t really look any better after more time has passed, and (B) because several in this draft are even better than advertised. If we did the same exercise for Scoot now with the 2025 draft, I’m thinking late 1st. Not that there will be 20+ better than him, but teams would rather take a bigger swing at unknowns than a now older prospect not making the hoped for improvements.