Dylan Harper

[Chi town]

He’s making it clear at 1.

[bigboi]

Flagg is nearly a full year younger and is probably still the better player right now.

Cooper Flagg ~ PF/SF
6'9" 205 ~ 17.9 yrs
per75: 22.9 pts ~ 11.3 reb ~ 5.0 ast ~ 2.3 stl ~ 2.3 blk
52.5% 2pt ~ 29.2% 3pt ~ 70.4% ft ~ 53.2% ts
+26.8 net ~ +11.3 bpm

Dylan Harper ~ SG/PG
6'6" 215 ~ 18.8 yrs
per75: 31.1 pts ~ 6.0 reb ~ 6.2 ast ~ 1.3 stl ~ 0.4 blk
64.6% 2pt ~ 27.6% 3pt ~ 77.8% ft ~ 62.9% ts
+20.4 net ~ +9.4 bpm

Per 75 lmao. And even with per 75, Harper still is the better player clearly

[FarBeyondDriven]

Flagg is nearly a full year younger and is probably still the better player right now.

Cooper Flagg ~ PF/SF
6'9" 205 ~ 17.9 yrs
per75: 22.9 pts ~ 11.3 reb ~ 5.0 ast ~ 2.3 stl ~ 2.3 blk
52.5% 2pt ~ 29.2% 3pt ~ 70.4% ft ~ 53.2% ts
+26.8 net ~ +11.3 bpm

Dylan Harper ~ SG/PG
6'6" 215 ~ 18.8 yrs
per75: 31.1 pts ~ 6.0 reb ~ 6.2 ast ~ 1.3 stl ~ 0.4 blk
64.6% 2pt ~ 27.6% 3pt ~ 77.8% ft ~ 62.9% ts
+20.4 net ~ +9.4 bpm

the funny thing is it doesn't matter one bit who is the better player right now. It's who do teams feel will have a bigger impact 3-4 years from now and beyond once they're fully developed. And the other funny thing is most people at worst have Harper #3 on their boards with they're not being a huge gap between the top three so it's not like anyone is hating on Harper yet I see people hating on Flagg. Weird that

[EmpireFalls]

Flagg is nearly a full year younger and is probably still the better player right now.

Cooper Flagg ~ PF/SF
6'9" 205 ~ 17.9 yrs
per75: 22.9 pts ~ 11.3 reb ~ 5.0 ast ~ 2.3 stl ~ 2.3 blk
52.5% 2pt ~ 29.2% 3pt ~ 70.4% ft ~ 53.2% ts
+26.8 net ~ +11.3 bpm

Dylan Harper ~ SG/PG
6'6" 215 ~ 18.8 yrs
per75: 31.1 pts ~ 6.0 reb ~ 6.2 ast ~ 1.3 stl ~ 0.4 blk
64.6% 2pt ~ 27.6% 3pt ~ 77.8% ft ~ 62.9% ts
+20.4 net ~ +9.4 bpm

the funny thing is it doesn't matter one bit who is the better player right now. It's who do teams feel will have a bigger impact 3-4 years from now and beyond once they're fully developed. And the other funny thing is most people at worst have Harper #3 on their boards with they're not being a huge gap between the top three so it's not like anyone is hating on Harper yet I see people hating on Flagg. Weird that

I think what you don’t understand is how tired some of us are of all the hyping of the Duke kid.

“It’s a one player draft”. “The Flagg draft”, a deluge tweets and segments and snippets constantly focusing on this guy and making it seem like he’s head and shoulders above everyone when the performances don’t warrant that at all.

52% on 2s and 52% TS at 6’9” is stinky, rotten stuff by the way. Is that efficiency supposed to impress me? He’s a forward!

I guess we’re tired of people acting like he’s the only player in the country. That performance Harper had vs Bama is better than anything Coop did this year. And he needs to raise the level to be taken seriously as this consensus #1. Right now that “consensus” looks like absolute BS to me. When Flagg gives us a performance like Harper did I’ll happily quiet down. It’s all I want to see. Prove it..

[baldur]

Flagg is nearly a full year younger and is probably still the better player right now.

Cooper Flagg ~ PF/SF
6'9" 205 ~ 17.9 yrs
per75: 22.9 pts ~ 11.3 reb ~ 5.0 ast ~ 2.3 stl ~ 2.3 blk
52.5% 2pt ~ 29.2% 3pt ~ 70.4% ft ~ 53.2% ts
+26.8 net ~ +11.3 bpm

Dylan Harper ~ SG/PG
6'6" 215 ~ 18.8 yrs
per75: 31.1 pts ~ 6.0 reb ~ 6.2 ast ~ 1.3 stl ~ 0.4 blk
64.6% 2pt ~ 27.6% 3pt ~ 77.8% ft ~ 62.9% ts
+20.4 net ~ +9.4 bpm

the funny thing is it doesn't matter one bit who is the better player right now. It's who do teams feel will have a bigger impact 3-4 years from now and beyond once they're fully developed. And the other funny thing is most people at worst have Harper #3 on their boards with they're not being a huge gap between the top three so it's not like anyone is hating on Harper yet I see people hating on Flagg. Weird that

I think what you don’t understand is how tired some of us are of all the hyping of the Duke kid.

“It’s a one player draft”. “The Flagg draft”, a deluge tweets and segments and snippets constantly focusing on this guy and making it seem like he’s head and shoulders above everyone when the performances don’t warrant that at all.

52% on 2s and 52% TS at 6’9” is stinky, rotten stuff by the way. Is that efficiency supposed to impress me? He’s a forward!

I guess we’re tired of people acting like he’s the only player in the country. That performance Harper had vs Bama is better than anything Coop did this year. And he needs to raise the level to be taken seriously as this consensus #1. Right now that “consensus” looks like absolute BS to me. When Flagg gives us a performance like Harper did I’ll happily quiet down. It’s all I want to see. Prove it..

What some of you guys don't understand is even flagg tears hic ACL tomorrow, he will be selected as overall number 1 pick. Simple as that my guy. If you think of this as a fact, you will be relieved.

[Braggins]

People who get mad about which players get hyped up by mainstream NBA media and take it upon themselves to try to provide a counterweight by spamming useless posts about it on here are some of the worst and most obnoxious posters possible.

Just stop paying attention to whatever media is bothering you and stop wasting everyones time by using discussion about players to complain about the beef you have with the media.

[EvanZ]

People have to overcome anchor bias. It’s very hard.

[HadAnEffectHere]

People have to overcome anchor bias. It’s very hard.

I mean, yes, but it's also 7 games into the season, lol.

Harper's last two games had him looking like a future NBA MVP, but we have a bunch of time and he was already ranked third entering the season.

If I HAD to make a board right now, I would have Harper over Flagg, but I don't have to.

I would guess Flagg ends up Scottie Barnes+ or Scottie Barnes++ while Harper has the high-end upside of James Harden... But I could definitely change my mind before June.

[babyjax13]

If Harper could shoot he'd be such a clear cut star. If his percentages and shot profile end up something like DeRozan, what do people think of him?

[JustBuzzin]

If Harper could shoot he'd be such a clear cut star. If his percentages and shot profile end up something like DeRozan, what do people think of him?

He's not a shooter he's a scorer lol

[FarBeyondDriven]

If Harper could shoot he'd be such a clear cut star. If his percentages and shot profile end up something like DeRozan, what do people think of him?

Shooting is the last thing I care about when evaluating 18/19 y/o kids. Harper can create separation, can shoot just well enough to keep defenses honest and score on all three levels including above the rim. My main concern with him is he needs to get in better shape. Easily obtainable as is the jumper. You can't teach his body control, timing, instincts and BBIQ.

[The-Power]

Super impressive what he has been doing the last two games – almost all on the basis of his ability to drive to the hoop and pressure defenses like perhaps nobody else in the NCAA at the moment. If he continues to look like a 99th percentile driver even projecting into the NBA then he will rightfully receive a lot of consideration at the top of the draft.

[babyjax13]

If Harper could shoot he'd be such a clear cut star. If his percentages and shot profile end up something like DeRozan, what do people think of him?

He's not a shooter he's a scorer lol

Shooting is a way to score lol lol lol xdxdxd

I think his shooting is relevant. He is great in the midrange but it isn't consistent from 3, nor has it ever been. If he is a below average or even bad three point shooter, where is his ceiling as a scorer? e.g. somewhere in the DeRozan tier? SGA? Better Fultz? Somewhere between? If he does shoot well in the future I think everyone should be very confident in his potential outcome. If he can't I don't think people should be turned off him as a prospect, but I am curious what that upside looks like without a 35%+ 3 point shot.

[JustBuzzin]

If Harper could shoot he'd be such a clear cut star. If his percentages and shot profile end up something like DeRozan, what do people think of him?

He's not a shooter he's a scorer lol

Shooting is a way to score lol lol lol xdxdxd

I think his shooting is relevant. He is great in the midrange but it isn't consistent from 3, nor has it ever been. If he is a below average or even bad three point shooter, where is his ceiling as a scorer? e.g. somewhere in the DeRozan tier? SGA? Better Fultz? Somewhere between? If he does shoot well in the future I think everyone should be very confident in his potential outcome. If he can't I don't think people should be turned off him as a prospect, but I am curious what that upside looks like without a 35%+ 3 point shot.

LeBron one of the best players to ever play basketball and he didn't have a consistent 3pt shot.

You can still be a great player with a limited 3pt shot.

[babyjax13]

He's not a shooter he's a scorer lol

Shooting is a way to score lol lol lol xdxdxd

I think his shooting is relevant. He is great in the midrange but it isn't consistent from 3, nor has it ever been. If he is a below average or even bad three point shooter, where is his ceiling as a scorer? e.g. somewhere in the DeRozan tier? SGA? Better Fultz? Somewhere between? If he does shoot well in the future I think everyone should be very confident in his potential outcome. If he can't I don't think people should be turned off him as a prospect, but I am curious what that upside looks like without a 35%+ 3 point shot.

LeBron one of the best players to ever play basketball and he didn't have a consistent 3pt shot.

You can still be a great player with a limited 3pt shot.

Yes, DeMar DeRozan and SGA would be great examples of that (hence my post). I think you are reading this as me saying that he is - in some way - a bad NBA prospect. I am simply asking who people see as good stylistic comparisons if he is not an extremely good shooter, in part, because the most common comp seems to be James Harden with less playmaking and shooting.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Flagg is nearly a full year younger and is probably still the better player right now.

Cooper Flagg ~ PF/SF
6'9" 205 ~ 17.9 yrs
per75: 22.9 pts ~ 11.3 reb ~ 5.0 ast ~ 2.3 stl ~ 2.3 blk
52.5% 2pt ~ 29.2% 3pt ~ 70.4% ft ~ 53.2% ts
+26.8 net ~ +11.3 bpm

Dylan Harper ~ SG/PG
6'6" 215 ~ 18.8 yrs
per75: 31.1 pts ~ 6.0 reb ~ 6.2 ast ~ 1.3 stl ~ 0.4 blk
64.6% 2pt ~ 27.6% 3pt ~ 77.8% ft ~ 62.9% ts
+20.4 net ~ +9.4 bpm

the funny thing is it doesn't matter one bit who is the better player right now. It's who do teams feel will have a bigger impact 3-4 years from now and beyond once they're fully developed. And the other funny thing is most people at worst have Harper #3 on their boards with they're not being a huge gap between the top three so it's not like anyone is hating on Harper yet I see people hating on Flagg. Weird that

I think what you don’t understand is how tired some of us are of all the hyping of the Duke kid.

“It’s a one player draft”. “The Flagg draft”, a deluge tweets and segments and snippets constantly focusing on this guy and making it seem like he’s head and shoulders above everyone when the performances don’t warrant that at all.

52% on 2s and 52% TS at 6’9” is stinky, rotten stuff by the way. Is that efficiency supposed to impress me? He’s a forward!

I guess we’re tired of people acting like he’s the only player in the country. That performance Harper had vs Bama is better than anything Coop did this year. And he needs to raise the level to be taken seriously as this consensus #1. Right now that “consensus” looks like absolute BS to me. When Flagg gives us a performance like Harper did I’ll happily quiet down. It’s all I want to see. Prove it..

I follow the NBA draft as much as anyone and I've never heard "the Flagg draft" or it's "a one person draft". This seems to be a made up narrative in your mind you're using to justify your hatred. There are literally people on this page in fact that believe Harper should go above Flagg. There have been people saying for a year that Ace might just be better and go over him. Sure, some of us, including me, believe he's the most talented and will almost assuredly go number one. But this isn't based on unjustified hype. The guy has dominated everywhere he's gone. He just spend time with the Olympic team and they're all gushing about him. He's a damn good prospect and if there's "consensus" it's based on more than just a handful of games in college.

In this young season so far, he's averaged 16-8-4. This is in line with most of the top 2 way wings/point forwards that went high in recent drafts

Banchero - 17/8/3
Holmgren - 14/10/2
Smith - 17/9/2
Tatum - 17/7/2
Barnes - 10/4/4
Ingram - 17/7/2
JJJ - 11/6/1
Mobley - 16/9/2

all top guys get hyped. Why does it bother you so much this season. What about Flagg sets him apart that warrants this?

meanwhile, 2nd game in a row Harper blew it in crunch time at the end. Plus he went 6-20 in yet another loss. Yet it's met with crickets

[Catchall]

I think he's the #2 guy in the draft, in part because his teammate Ace Bailey can't be relied on to create off the dribble.

There's a bit of Cade Cunningham here, maybe a bit of Brandon Roy. He has a ready path to becoming an All Star. However, he's likely to struggle against athletic, wing-sized defenders that the NBA will throw at him--think Suggs, Dort, Daniels, Dunn, etc. And I don't think he's going to get to the rim much against NBA length and athleticism.

[babyjax13]

I think he's the #2 guy in the draft, in part because his teammate Ace Bailey can't be relied on to create off the dribble.

There's a bit of Cade Cunningham here, maybe a bit of Brandon Roy. He has a ready path to becoming an All Star. However, he's likely to struggle against athletic, wing-sized defenders that the NBA will throw at him--think Suggs, Dort, Daniels, Dunn, etc. And I don't think he's going to get to the rim much against NBA length and athleticism.

I think a spread court will actually make it easier to get to the rim, but the difference in quality of defenders will matter, too.

[EMG518]

I haven't watched enough to say he would go #1 this year but he definitely would have last year.

[Benjammin]

I haven't watched enough to say he would go #1 this year but he definitely would have last year.

Any of Flagg, Bailey, or Harper would have.

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