If I was Philly, I would consider taking Cedric Coward at 3

[EvanZ]

Honestly? I wouldnt even know of him till Duke said he was heir NIL target...

Then all of a sudden he is a "teens" pick? His media people must be top notch

His media people is probably Givony

I don't know how this isn't obvious to you guys. He looks like a top 100 player right now when you see what he does and his measurements for a 2 guard is optimal. I seen him verticality challenge a block at the rim and he was as high at the same point I've seen John Collins at on his verticality challenges. He's a 2 guard doing what a player who's earned 100+ million as a 4 can do. Only allowing 31 fg% on the field for opponents. He's different and it looks translatable too. He's going to be better with faster pace. The NBA is more open than college Basketball but it closes quicker due to length, athleticism, and BBIQ.

Guys like him are the prime guys you want. He's very polished. I was shocked we went under the radar this long. I watch for abilities. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's not going to be an excellent rookie. Special one at that.

Bro are you saying this dude is a top 100 NBA player literally right now? That is utterly insane.

[King Ken]

His media people is probably Givony

I don't know how this isn't obvious to you guys. He looks like a top 100 player right now when you see what he does and his measurements for a 2 guard is optimal. I seen him verticality challenge a block at the rim and he was as high at the same point I've seen John Collins at on his verticality challenges. He's a 2 guard doing what a player who's earned 100+ million as a 4 can do. Only allowing 31 fg% on the field for opponents. He's different and it looks translatable too. He's going to be better with faster pace. The NBA is more open than college Basketball but it closes quicker due to length, athleticism, and BBIQ.

Guys like him are the prime guys you want. He's very polished. I was shocked we went under the radar this long. I watch for abilities. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's not going to be an excellent rookie. Special one at that.

Bro are you saying this dude is a top 100 NBA player literally right now? That is utterly insane.

I think he is.

https://nbarankings.theringer.com/

Ringer has a top 100 list. I would take him right now over a handful of these guards in the 80 to 100 range. Do you know how hard it is to find optimal measurements for a 2 who can shoot at an exceptional clip, exceptional TS, can post up and started his college career as a post up big with a 1.68 PPP in post ups which is in the 99%. His defense translates even better to the NBA.

For me, he's clearly the 2nd best player right now at this moment. Not long term, that's Harper and I'll say Edgecombe and Bailey have a clearly higher assumed ceiling but finding a guy like this is impossible. Optimal measurements for wings just don't come around often, in fact, hardly at all and he's polished.

For me, ceiling is 3rd overall, floor is 11th with Portland.

[EvanZ]

I don't know how this isn't obvious to you guys. He looks like a top 100 player right now when you see what he does and his measurements for a 2 guard is optimal. I seen him verticality challenge a block at the rim and he was as high at the same point I've seen John Collins at on his verticality challenges. He's a 2 guard doing what a player who's earned 100+ million as a 4 can do. Only allowing 31 fg% on the field for opponents. He's different and it looks translatable too. He's going to be better with faster pace. The NBA is more open than college Basketball but it closes quicker due to length, athleticism, and BBIQ.

Guys like him are the prime guys you want. He's very polished. I was shocked we went under the radar this long. I watch for abilities. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's not going to be an excellent rookie. Special one at that.

Bro are you saying this dude is a top 100 NBA player literally right now? That is utterly insane.

I think he is.

https://nbarankings.theringer.com/

Ringer has a top 100 list. I would take him right now over a handful of these guards in the 80 to 100 range. Do you know how hard it is to find optimal measurements for a 2 who can shoot at an exceptional clip, exceptional TS, can post up and started his college career as a post up big with a 1.68 PPP in post ups which is in the 99%. His defense translates even better to the NBA.

For me, he's clearly the 2nd best player right now at this moment. Not long term, that's Harper and I'll say Edgecombe and Bailey have a clearly higher assumed ceiling but finding a guy like this is impossible. Optimal measurements for wings just don't come around often, in fact, hardly at all and he's polished.

For me, ceiling is 3rd overall, floor is 11th with Portland.

I obviously don't see it, but this post will be quoted here for posterity. Either it's the greatest pull of all time...or one of the funniest incorrect predictions ever.

[TheSuzerain]

I think he warrants some hype. There is risk given sample size. But most of the value of draft picks is hitting on upside.

1. Is 6'6" with +8 wingspan and adequate athleticism
2. Crushes the look test with his shot and has a strong statistical profile as a shooter
3. Is kind of young for a 'senior'. Only one year older than Queen I think (i.e. he's basically junior aged).

I feel like fringe lotto is reasonable if he shows out well during the pre-draft process. He already has 1st round promises.

[codydaze]

I like him but I'd pump the brakes on Kawhi comparisons. I'd put him closer to a Robert Covington level guy who was obviously still a very valuable player in the league.

[JMAC3]

I like him but I'd pump the brakes on Kawhi comparisons. I'd put him closer to a Robert Covington level guy who was obviously still a very valuable player in the league.

I agree, he projects as an awesome 7th or 8th man for a playoff team imo. Can defender, can make shots but nothing he does says he should be a top 10 pick, especially at nearly 22 yrs old.

You basically have 1 yr as a reserve in big sky, 1 awesome year in big sky, then 6 games of production vs mostly pushovers.
His 1 game that was vs power 5 this year was Iowa and he had 9 pts on 10 shots.

[King Ken]

Bro are you saying this dude is a top 100 NBA player literally right now? That is utterly insane.

I think he is.

https://nbarankings.theringer.com/

Ringer has a top 100 list. I would take him right now over a handful of these guards in the 80 to 100 range. Do you know how hard it is to find optimal measurements for a 2 who can shoot at an exceptional clip, exceptional TS, can post up and started his college career as a post up big with a 1.68 PPP in post ups which is in the 99%. His defense translates even better to the NBA.

For me, he's clearly the 2nd best player right now at this moment. Not long term, that's Harper and I'll say Edgecombe and Bailey have a clearly higher assumed ceiling but finding a guy like this is impossible. Optimal measurements for wings just don't come around often, in fact, hardly at all and he's polished.

For me, ceiling is 3rd overall, floor is 11th with Portland.

I obviously don't see it, but this post will be quoted here for posterity. Either it's the greatest pull of all time...or one of the funniest incorrect predictions ever.

It's not really a reach. Guys with optimal measurements and testing results for their specific position with good tape and feel generally have an exceptional hit rate. This is a game of inches

[King Ken]

I like him but I'd pump the brakes on Kawhi comparisons. I'd put him closer to a Robert Covington level guy who was obviously still a very valuable player in the league.

RoCo isn't optimal for his position at anything and he can't put the ball on the deck.

This guy can shoot spot ups, C&S at a high level, his touch is reminiscent of Dana Barros. His post up game is very legit for a guard. He has optimal size as a SG. His defense is exceptional too he flashes what we saw from a much smaller, Avery Bradley. The Kawhi comps are moreso related to him being optimal for his position. He clocks as a NBA 2 guard.

I don't have a direct comp for Coward. He's kinda his own player but I see some Avery Bradley, Dana Barros, and some Kawhi.

I think his touch is his best skill. I also like his body control. I just don't see much explosiveness on the ball. That's where he doesn't stand out but off the ball, you do see some of that explosiveness, especially on defense.

The NBA is an unfair league, you can be an absolutely incredible college player like Jimmer or Troy Bell and go into the NBA and are having a tough time getting into your offense. But someone like Coward can just develop with no caps as he just as the physical abilities and tools to continue to consistently grow.

[King Ken]

I like him but I'd pump the brakes on Kawhi comparisons. I'd put him closer to a Robert Covington level guy who was obviously still a very valuable player in the league.

I agree, he projects as an awesome 7th or 8th man for a playoff team imo. Can defender, can make shots but nothing he does says he should be a top 10 pick, especially at nearly 22 yrs old.

You basically have 1 yr as a reserve in big sky, 1 awesome year in big sky, then 6 games of production vs mostly pushovers.
His 1 game that was vs power 5 this year was Iowa and he had 9 pts on 10 shots.

He was literally a post up player at a D3 school. I played college ball and I have seen guys with a fairly limited skill set in HS come into college and develop a ton of skills that they didn't have in HS. Now, none of them had Coward measurements, athleticism, and tools or anywhere close to it. But I've seen that type of skill development.

Watching all of his games from this year and it was only 6 games but I really don't need to see much to know you can be special. Someone like Edey, I had to watch a lot of film. Someone like Coward, after his 1st game, I put top 10 grade. I did the same when I saw Jalen Williams in the NBA Combine game. Sometimes, it's obvious. I just don't need to see a lot. You got all of the reqs. You got the feel. You got a role. Nothing is stopping you from at least the top 50 sooner than later.

[JMAC3]

Worst name ever. But more importantly are you being serious?

Absolutely serious. As serious as I was when I said, it wouldn't shock me if Jalen Williams is the best player in this class and of course, this was when JJ was still getting 2nd round pushes in mocks.

Coward is NBA good right now. I don't know what his upside could possibly be but when you are optimal in positional requirement, usually the sky is the limit for those guys. This is a game of inches.

I mean I hate to do this, but you just tried to call out Jaylen Wells in the previous post, you had 40 players listed in this big board write up and no Wells was mentioned. viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2358898

Then you are patting yourself on the back for saying Jalen Williams might be the best player in the draft.
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2200888

Jdub is listed twice 8th and then again at 18th, which I assume you updated at some point (who knows when). He went 12th, nothing about this said you thought he could be the best player in the draft.

I guess if Coward is good, then yeah you called your shot this time but your call backs seem extremely generous.

[King Ken]

Worst name ever. But more importantly are you being serious?

Absolutely serious. As serious as I was when I said, it wouldn't shock me if Jalen Williams is the best player in this class and of course, this was when JJ was still getting 2nd round pushes in mocks.

Coward is NBA good right now. I don't know what his upside could possibly be but when you are optimal in positional requirement, usually the sky is the limit for those guys. This is a game of inches.

I mean I hate to do this, but you just tried to call out Jaylen Wells in the previous post, you had 40 players listed in this big board write up and no Wells was mentioned. viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2358898

Then you are patting yourself on the back for saying Jalen Williams might be the best player in the draft.
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2200888

Jdub is listed twice 8th and then again at 18th, which I assume you updated at some point (who knows when). He went 12th, nothing about this said you thought he could be the best player in the draft.

I guess if Coward is good, then yeah you called your shot this time but your call backs seem extremely generous.

I didn't see Jaylen Wells play until after the draft ended and my cohost who's a Grizzlies fan told me to watch him, he's amazing. I watched and agreed with him. Before the draft, I didn't know who Wells was.

I post on other message boards as well. This isn't the only place I post. Also, go back and look at all of the other boards here. No one was as high on Williams as I was. Go back and look. He was the big mover that year.

He was never eight on my board. He was tied for 5th. I have a tiers system.

[JMAC3]

Absolutely serious. As serious as I was when I said, it wouldn't shock me if Jalen Williams is the best player in this class and of course, this was when JJ was still getting 2nd round pushes in mocks.

Coward is NBA good right now. I don't know what his upside could possibly be but when you are optimal in positional requirement, usually the sky is the limit for those guys. This is a game of inches.

I mean I hate to do this, but you just tried to call out Jaylen Wells in the previous post, you had 40 players listed in this big board write up and no Wells was mentioned. viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2358898

Then you are patting yourself on the back for saying Jalen Williams might be the best player in the draft.
viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2200888

Jdub is listed twice 8th and then again at 18th, which I assume you updated at some point (who knows when). He went 12th, nothing about this said you thought he could be the best player in the draft.

I guess if Coward is good, then yeah you called your shot this time but your call backs seem extremely generous.

I didn't see Jaylen Wells play until after the draft ended and my cohost who's a Grizzlies fan told me to watch him, he's amazing. I watched and agreed with him. Before the draft, I didn't know who Wells was.

I post on other message boards as well. This isn't the only place I post. Also, go back and look at all of the other boards here. No one was as high on Williams as I was. Go back and look. He was the big mover that year.

He was never eight on my board. He was tied for 5th. I have a tiers system.

Tiers are fine, but when you have 27 guys on your big board that are ranked 10th or higher that seems like a pretty flawed system and very misleading when you try to pat yourself on the back later on for having a guy ranked top 10 lol

[jpatrick]

I like Coward, but none of the scouting videos I’ve seen shown him initiating or attacking off the bounce. It’s all open jumpers, in the post, or finishing in transition. If he’s pure 3/D, still very valuable, but not Jalen Williams level or #3 pick level. Not saying he can’t develop that part of his game, but I haven’t seen it.

[SeattleJazzFan]

i'm a believer in Coward, but #3 overall is laughable. you just can't take a wing that high who averaged 7 and 15 pts respectively at Eastern Washington in his two seasons there. there is a reason even Jalen Williams didn't go that high. the risk is too great.

[BigGargamel]

LOL, why is the hyperbole on this board so outrageous? Just say you like the guy as a potential late first round sleeper. Throwing out a thread title like this basically guarantees no one is going to take you seriously.

[SeattleJazzFan]

as much as i'm sold on Coward - and i am sold, the one red flag i see is that he basically didn't get to the FT line during his breakout season at Eastern Washington. for perspective, even Ace Bailey got to the FT line more often per 100 possessions - in the Big10 no less - than Coward did at EWU in the Big Sky. and everybody rips Bailey for his inability to get into the paint and finish/draw fouls - rightly so.

[EvanZ]

Also fwiw at EW he had 13 dunks. I mean against cupcakes. His teammate Casey Jones who is also 6'6" had 30 and shot a ton of 3s as well. In fact maybe we should be looking at him.

[King Ken]

I like Coward, but none of the scouting videos I’ve seen shown him initiating or attacking off the bounce. It’s all open jumpers, in the post, or finishing in transition. If he’s pure 3/D, still very valuable, but not Jalen Williams level or #3 pick level. Not saying he can’t develop that part of his game, but I haven’t seen it.

He can dribble and get to a spot. That's what you have to do in the NBA. That's a lot more than what 3&D players do. Also if it's in the post, that's also a lot more than what 3&D players do. Also, he's assist rate and passing is impressive. Also a lot more than what 3&D players have to do. He's shown 3 level scoring, he's highly efficient and he's athlete on tape and in drills.

[King Ken]

https://youtu.be/h3hBLRBcv10?si=HwGJo7OmjVKXcwEh

[tontoz]

In 72 games he shot 39% from 3, 72% in 2s and 83% from the line. He can clearly shoot. He also was one of the fastest guys in the sprint at the combine.

I seriously doubt he goes top 5 but after that I think he is a possibility.

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