Why is Evan Turner under the radar?

[BigSlam]

Turner is on a freaking tear of late. A SENSATIONAL night tonight against Purdue.

26pts (9/15 from the floor and 8/14 from the line), 12 boards, 7 assists, 1 steal and 1 block.

Can't even begin to tell you how good this kids cross over and mid range game is. He's just so smooth.

There is SO much to like about this kid. He uses his wicked cross over to make his defender a non factor and gets around him with ease. His mid range J is really good. There are just two missing things.

1. His 3 ball
2. His ability to finish with contact

I think the 1st thing can be worked on because he has a really nice stroke, but I'm not so sure about the 2nd thing.

If he could finish with contact I would be ALL OVER him in the draft, maybe putting at #2 behind Harden on my SG board.

He's got that Josh Childress/Grant Hill feel to him IMO.

[old rem]

He has only attempted 11 threes so far.

Well......11 attempts and he made 6..pretty small sample.

The deal is that the main mocks start out pure speculation and adjust a bit slow..so Turner is better than DeRozean but the sites adjust cautiously. The actual scouts can have a light go on Now and a guy goes zip..mid rd 1

Last year I could not believe Jason Thompson lasts to the 20's and wanted him for GSW at 14. Well..Sac takes him at 14 and lucky for GSW-Randolph slips to 14. There will be several similar "surprises" this draft but in fact..many of them the right guy saw the right stuff already.

[vincecarter4pres]

I always forget about this guy for some reason.

I wonder if he declares this year?

And BigSlam, if you he reminds you of a Josh Childress clone, why so much love?
Childress is OK, but he isn't even someone the Hawks miss that much and that includes the fact they have had a lot of injuries.
Childress wasn't a guy with sick handle and shot creating ability either, he was a 3 with solid ability to play the 2, while Evans is a 2 with the ability to play the 3.

[BigSlam]

And BigSlam, if you he reminds you of a Josh Childress clone, why so much love?
Childress is OK, but he isn't even someone the Hawks miss that much and that includes the fact they have had a lot of injuries.
Childress wasn't a guy with sick handle and shot creating ability either, he was a 3 with solid ability to play the 2, while Evans is a 2 with the ability to play the 3.

What's not to like about Josh Childress? Like Turner, he has the ability to play and guard and play the 1, 2, 3 and in some situations the 4. Both long, very efficient players with a very high BBIQ.

What do you mean the Hawks don't miss Childress? What do you base that on?

Chil has a great handle (for his size) and his mid range game, like Turner's, is killer.

Turner, Childress, Hill, Pippen, Prince..................they all fit the same mold as that point forward type who are multi functional and skilled.

I think you seriously under rate Evan Turner - and Josh Childress for that matter (and lets not forget that Chil was the 6th over all pick in a pretty strong draft).

[ManualRam]

And BigSlam, if you he reminds you of a Josh Childress clone, why so much love?
Childress is OK, but he isn't even someone the Hawks miss that much and that includes the fact they have had a lot of injuries.
Childress wasn't a guy with sick handle and shot creating ability either, he was a 3 with solid ability to play the 2, while Evans is a 2 with the ability to play the 3.

What's not to like about Josh Childress? Like Turner, he has the ability to play and guard and play the 1, 2, 3 and in some situations the 4. Both long, very efficient players with a very high BBIQ.

What do you mean the Hawks don't miss Childress? What do you base that on?

Chil has a great handle (for his size) and his mid range game, like Turner's, is killer.

Turner, Childress, Hill, Pippen, Prince..................they all fit the same mold as that point forward type who are multi functional and skilled.

I think you seriously under rate Evan Turner - and Josh Childress for that matter (and lets not forget that Chil was the 6th over all pick in a pretty strong draft).

childress was a glorified garbage man. he's battier without the 3 ball. i wouldnt call him a great ball-handler. can he bring the ball up and dish it to the wing? yeah, but he cant break his man down or be anything other than someone who initiates the offense. his mid-range is not "killer" either. he cant shoot off the dribble and his release is so low and slow that its easy to close out on him. last yr he had a EFG of .397 on his jump shots. most his buckets came from cuts, o-boards, slashing and in transition. saying that chill fits the mold of a hill, prince or pippen is downright WRONG.
if evan turner turns out to be another childress, then that means he didnt live up to his potential.

if he gains confidence in his 3 pt shot and gets stronger with the ball, i think his ceiling is steve smith.

[vincecarter4pres]

And BigSlam, if you he reminds you of a Josh Childress clone, why so much love?
Childress is OK, but he isn't even someone the Hawks miss that much and that includes the fact they have had a lot of injuries.
Childress wasn't a guy with sick handle and shot creating ability either, he was a 3 with solid ability to play the 2, while Evans is a 2 with the ability to play the 3.

What's not to like about Josh Childress? Like Turner, he has the ability to play and guard and play the 1, 2, 3 and in some situations the 4. Both long, very efficient players with a very high BBIQ.

What do you mean the Hawks don't miss Childress? What do you base that on?

Chil has a great handle (for his size) and his mid range game, like Turner's, is killer.

Turner, Childress, Hill, Pippen, Prince..................they all fit the same mold as that point forward type who are multi functional and skilled.

I think you seriously under rate Evan Turner - and Josh Childress for that matter (and lets not forget that Chil was the 6th over all pick in a pretty strong draft).

childress was a glorified garbage man. he's battier without the 3 ball. i wouldnt call him a great ball-handler. can he bring the ball up and dish it to the wing? yeah, but he cant break his man down or be anything other than someone who initiates the offense. his mid-range is not "killer" either. he cant shoot off the dribble and his release is so low and slow that its easy to close out on him. last yr he had a EFG of .397 on his jump shots. most his buckets came from cuts, o-boards, slashing and in transition. saying that chill fits the mold of a hill, prince or pippen is downright WRONG.
if evan turner turns out to be another childress, then that means he didnt live up to his potential.

if he gains confidence in his 3 pt shot and gets stronger with the ball, i think his ceiling is steve smith.

Exactly my toughts on Childress.

[vincecarter4pres]

Man. First time I watched Turner since the beginning of the season and at that point I didn't really know who he was, I was just watching for Mullens.
This kid, I mean this kid, wow.
Man he is smooth.
He draws fouls.
He looks for his teammates.
He plays good D.
His handle and one on one game is sick.
Mid range is sick.
Calm and focused.
Good 1st step.
Can play well with a post big.
His game looks tailor made for the NBA.
Not the fastest or a great athlete, but so smooth and effortless and looks plenty quick enough.
This doesn't even seem to be much of a game for him, yet his impact has been major.

And as I type this he turns the ball over in a critical moment, lol.

I don't see the Childress comparison at all, though.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Brandon Roy? Grant Hill? Why not?

seriouslly, I like Turner more than I like Harden, I think his physical tools will make him the better player out of the two of them in the NBA. if only he cut down his turnovers.

his last 2 games(both wins): 22 pts (10-17fg), 9 ast,
17 pts (7-11fg), 5 ast

[vincecarter4pres]

Brandon Roy? Grant Hill? Why not?

seriouslly, I like Turner more than I like Harden, I think his physical tools will make him the better player out of the two of them in the NBA. if only he cut down his turnovers.

his last 2 games(both wins): 22 pts (10-17fg), 9 ast,
17 pts (7-11fg), 5 ast

I was thinking the same thing, although it pains me to say it because I am a huge Harden fan.
Granted I only seriously watched one game of Turner, but Harden has a few glaring weaknesses, that being his lack of a good midrange game, his flat footed long range jumper, his short stature(listed at 6'5, but I would give him more of a legit 6'4, although he has a decent wingspan and Mayo is listed at 6'4 and sometimes 6'5 when he is clearly 6'3 and it doesn't stop him), he is not a great athlete and it looks as though he doesn't condition himself well.
That said, Harden is still the better playmaker and better at drawing fouls and finishing from what I saw and have read of Turner.
They should both be really good players in the NBA and I imagine if Turner declares he is absolutley top 10 this draft. He has a good tourney and/or Big Ten tourney and he will only increase his stock.

[Cammo101]

I think you guys are overrating Turner quite a bit here. If Harden played in the Big Ten, his numbers would be inflated over what they already are. Turner is a good player, but he is not playing in the most competitve conference. Harden is going up against NBA caliber guys like Collison, Holiday, Budinger, Derozan...Turner, not so much.

Turner is a very nice player, but he is no Harden at this point.

[vincecarter4pres]

double post

[vincecarter4pres]

I think you guys are overrating Turner quite a bit here. If Harden played in the Big Ten, his numbers would be inflated over what they already are. Turner is a good player, but he is not playing in the most competitve conference. Harden is going up against NBA caliber guys like Collison, Holiday, Budinger, Derozan...Turner, not so much.

I guess that's why Eric Gordon has been such a bust in the NBA and never lived up to his college #'s or hype?

[Cammo101]

I think you guys are overrating Turner quite a bit here. If Harden played in the Big Ten, his numbers would be inflated over what they already are. Turner is a good player, but he is not playing in the most competitve conference. Harden is going up against NBA caliber guys like Collison, Holiday, Budinger, Derozan...Turner, not so much.

I guess that's why Eric Gordon has been such a bust in the NBA and never lived up to his college #'s or hype?

A) Eric Gordon was an NBA player in high school. Turner does not even compare.

B) The Big Ten was better last year than it is this year. And Indiana played a much tougher out of conference schedule last year than Ohio State did this year.

C) Harden this year is better than Gordon was last year.

[vincecarter4pres]

I wasn't arguing that Harden isn't better, I think he is, I just think the argument against Turner is weak.

[Cammo101]

I like Turner and I like his NBA future. But, you learn about a guy's NBA potential in big games and against NBA caliber players. We have seen what Harden can do against NBA caliber players. What NBA caliber players have we seen Turner take on? It is not a knock on Turner really, because it is not his fault the Big Ten, by and large, is devoid of top talent.

My post was in response to those saying he is better than Harden. If you don't have to take on top talent to prove your worth, then Jermaine Taylor is the best SG in the country.

[ManualRam]

I think you guys are overrating Turner quite a bit here. If Harden played in the Big Ten, his numbers would be inflated over what they already are. Turner is a good player, but he is not playing in the most competitve conference. Harden is going up against NBA caliber guys like Collison, Holiday, Budinger, Derozan...Turner, not so much.

I guess that's why Eric Gordon has been such a bust in the NBA and never lived up to his college #'s or hype?

B) The Big Ten was better last year than it is this year. And Indiana played a much tougher out of conference schedule last year than Ohio State did this year.

dunno about that. turner might not have amazing individual matchups, but IMO, the big ten is much better as a whole this yr.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah, teams like North Western, Michigan and Michigan State are improved, along with Ohio State.
Even Purdue, Wisconsin, Illinoiis and Minnesota, I have to agree.
Big Ten is overall a very solid conference, at least as overall teams are concerned.
Sure the Big East, ACC and PAC 10 are stronger, but the Ten is no slouch.

[BigSlam]

Turner doesn't have the long range shooting of Harden and doesn't finish nearly as well as Harden does with contact.

[BigSlam]

Granted I only seriously watched one game of Turner

So by your own admission you have only watched Turner play one time yet you feel qualified to poo-poo peoples comparisons of him who have watched him a dozen times?

Interesting!

[BigSlam]

This coming from a guy that compares Josh Childress to Tayshaun Prince and Pippen and compares Evan Turner to Josh Childress, even though I have seen clips of Turner play and he is a 2 guard with yo-yo handle, with a sick midrange game, that shoots almost 8 free throws per game, creates numerous shots for his teammates and drives to the lane off the dribble, while Childress is SF that gets all his points off of put backs and slashing and the 3 ball.

Turner doesn't have a "yo-yo handle". He has a very nice cross over that he uses to break down his defender over a short distance. If he had a "yo-yo handle" I'm not sure he would be averaging 3.5 turn overs a game?

If by "almost" 8 ft's a game, you mean 6.5 - then ya, I guess that's "almost"?

Both Childress and Turner are long, athletic wings (although Childress more atheltic) who are good defenders with the ability to play and guard several positions. They both aren't great long range shooters - although their long range shooting isn't a weakness because they know their limitations.

Check out their college stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/pr ... erId=36135
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/sta ... &year=2004

They are more alike than you care to realize.