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Post#201 » by xprt » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:49 pm

BruceO wrote:my biggest problem with the gasol/ noah/ biedriens comparisons is that i don't believe jonas will be good defensively. i even question him offensively but defensively is the major part i question. what is he good at defensively?

Well here is scout report about his defense on draftexpress.com :

The rest of Valanciunas' game needs refinement, particularly his ball-handling and passing abilities. He turns the ball over at a pretty high rate and definitely has a ways to go in terms of improving his basketball IQ and overall experience level.
The place this seems to show up most is on the defensive end. Valanciunas is a major presence in the paint with his terrific size and length. His mobility helps him out quite a bit as well. He can contest shots around the rim and has good timing for blocking shots, even if he's not what you would call a high-flyer.
With that said, he's not the smartest, most reactive player you'll find right now, especially on the perimeter, which can lead to some poor rotations and open shots for opponents.
Interestingly enough, even when you see him getting beat at times outside the paint he still has the ability to recover and make a play at the rim, which is a testament to his foot speed and wingspan.
Nevertheless, he's still gaining experience and learning the nuances of the game on this end, which is one of the main things holding him back from getting even more playing time for Rytas.
Inside the paint, Valanciunas is a frequent target for opposing teams to post up due to his narrow frame and lack of experience, especially in the Euroleague, where almost every team has a bulky old school back-to-the-basket pivot who can simply overpower Valanciunas in one-on-one situations.
That's a big reason why Valanciunas has had consistent foul problems over the course of the year -- another reason that his playing time has been limited. In the Euroleague, for example, he commits approximately one foul for every 4 minutes he's on the court.
Despite the negatives described here, Valanciunas is undoubtedly an outstanding prospect, especially when we consider that he doesn't turn 19 until May. Players with his combination of size, length, mobility, toughness and budding skills are extremely difficult to come by.
The fact that he's producing at the rate he is in the Euroleague, Lithuanian league, and VTB League at his age is an extremely positive sign. Considering the tools he has, it's safe to say that his upside to continue to improve is huge.
It's easy to see him developing into an Andris Biedrins-type rebounder/defender/hustler in the NBA, but he likely has more even potential offensively than the Latvian big man due to his superior hands and touch (he probably has more of a nasty streak too).
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Re: Jonas Valanciunas 

Post#202 » by karolis1221 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:34 pm

wow jonas need to change his team badly!! these bunch of scrubs are pathetic... coach is cloun.
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Post#203 » by Darknemo2000 » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:18 am

Well coach is definitely a clown. Some of his decisions are really puzzling. Valanciunas should be getting more minutes than he is if there was a better coach who does actually react to the events on the court, but it seems like Rytas coach had decided the schedule pre-season and now is holding on it no matter what, despite that Valanciunas helps the most on rebounds (Rytas frontline apart of Valanciunas sucks) and is actually better than any bigs on the team on defensive end despite still making a lot of mistakes.
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Post#204 » by bboyskinnylegs » Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:06 pm

I wonder if Jonas will get a bigger opportunity now after the coach was fired
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Post#205 » by karolis1221 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:09 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:I wonder if Jonas will get a bigger opportunity now after the coach was fired


Season is at the end so no difference, this new coach is joke aswell, next year jonas have to get out of that team, he cant develep his skills there anymore.
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Post#206 » by droponov » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:54 pm

BruceO wrote:my biggest problem with the gasol/ noah/ biedriens comparisons is that i don't believe jonas will be good defensively. i even question him offensively but defensively is the major part i question. what is he good at defensively?


Why do you think that? At what is he bad defensively? I'm genuinely curious, I think Valanciunas is a terrific defensive prospect.
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Post#207 » by Econgrad » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:06 pm

Kirsten19 wrote:Well, to me, Valanciunas is a project and I think u are overrating him too much

the best prospects in this weak draft are Derrick Williams and Irving, Sullinger is beasting in college too.

I think Valanciunas needs at least a year or two to adapt and he'll find it really tough to guard elite athlete like Dwight Howard, Josh Smith or Blake Griffin in the NBA.

I dunno but Valanciunas doesn't look like a good complement next to Monroe


There are only a handful of players who can guard Howard and there is not a single player who effectively guards all three as they are all very different offensive players.
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Post#208 » by Jazzfan12 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:28 pm

droponov wrote:
BruceO wrote:my biggest problem with the gasol/ noah/ biedriens comparisons is that i don't believe jonas will be good defensively. i even question him offensively but defensively is the major part i question. what is he good at defensively?


Why do you think that? At what is he bad defensively? I'm genuinely curious, I think Valanciunas is a terrific defensive prospect.



His man defense was statistically terrible this season. 1.1 points allowed per possession in the post which is awful. He needs to improve that.
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Post#209 » by sisibilio » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:42 pm

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droponov wrote:
BruceO wrote:my biggest problem with the gasol/ noah/ biedriens comparisons is that i don't believe jonas will be good defensively. i even question him offensively but defensively is the major part i question. what is he good at defensively?


Why do you think that? At what is he bad defensively? I'm genuinely curious, I think Valanciunas is a terrific defensive prospect.



His man defense was statistically terrible this season. 1.1 points allowed per possession in the post which is awful. He needs to improve that.

He's 18, of course he'll improve that. But if you watched any game you'd notice that it was in the defensive end where he made a big diference for Lietuvos
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Post#210 » by Jazzfan12 » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:58 pm

He's 18, of course he'll improve that. But if you watched any game you'd notice that it was in the defensive end where he made a big diference for Lietuvos



He was a great rebounder and did alter plays frequently, I was just noting that are parts of his defense that need to improve. I think he'll probably be the best player from the draft, but he does need to get stronger and improve his technique on man defense (Which he probably will, but it's still something to note)
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Post#211 » by Darknemo2000 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:17 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:
droponov wrote:
BruceO wrote:my biggest problem with the gasol/ noah/ biedriens comparisons is that i don't believe jonas will be good defensively. i even question him offensively but defensively is the major part i question. what is he good at defensively?


Why do you think that? At what is he bad defensively? I'm genuinely curious, I think Valanciunas is a terrific defensive prospect.



His man defense was statistically terrible this season. 1.1 points allowed per possession in the post which is awful. He needs to improve that.


You have to remember that his teammates practically do not defend. Often he is left 1 vs 2 because Rytas PF's do not care about defense and when you try to cover two opponents at the same time naturally you allow a lot of points.

Not saying that he does not make mistakes - he does, but the Rytas defense improves when he is on court rather than off, because from Rytas big men, he is pretty much the only one who cares about defending.
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Post#212 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:50 pm

Chad Ford is saying his buyout could be messier than thought
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Post#213 » by droponov » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:57 pm

Jazzfan12 wrote:
droponov wrote:
BruceO wrote:my biggest problem with the gasol/ noah/ biedriens comparisons is that i don't believe jonas will be good defensively. i even question him offensively but defensively is the major part i question. what is he good at defensively?


Why do you think that? At what is he bad defensively? I'm genuinely curious, I think Valanciunas is a terrific defensive prospect.



His man defense was statistically terrible this season. 1.1 points allowed per possession in the post which is awful. He needs to improve that.


He's 18 in his first season as a professional. With his age guys like Garnett or Gasol were defending wings, not even 4s. He's defending Euroleague 5s. Guys who have a huge advantage in size and experience over him and can play very physically. It's like he's facing Shaq in his prime every night. Valanciunas will add a lot of strength and weight. And experience matters a lot, going through the situations over and over. That's why there's a strong correlation between age and defense for NBA teams. Especially pick'n'roll defense, young players rarely defend the ballscreen game consistently well because it's something you learn with time, to recognize what's going in quickly. When Papaloulas destroyed that US team with those young kids, LeBron, Wade, etc, it was mostly because of that, they were too young to defend the pick'n'roll well.

Top defensive players blossom when they mature physically and gain some experience and reputation. By ages 23-24 depending on when they enter the league. Especially big men. Do you remember how good of a defender was Bogut in his first 2 seasons? You don't, he was horrible - and he was 21 when he was drafted, not 18. Bynum? Ditto. Perkins was barely on court for his first 3 seasons. Chandler was stymied by foul trouble till his 5th season or so.

Valanciunas will become a good defender quicker than most guys. I'm not sure if he's going to be as good as those I mentioned above, but he's going to be an above average defender. He's great tools, good instincts and he's very tenacious. He likes to play defense. He's shut down his peers when he plays against guys of his own age more often than not. He won't be a major factor for a couple of seasons, he certainly can't be asked to be successful defending the low post versus skilled NBA bigs right away, but he'll find ways to contribute with the right matchups and he'll quickly improve from there as he adds muscle and experience.
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Post#214 » by Darknemo2000 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:39 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:Chad Ford is saying his buyout could be messier than thought


I know that Jonas can leave Rytas if gets contract with NBA. That was known long time ago. The thing is that due to possible lock-out he may want to stay for a season in europe.

How Rytas will perform in Lithuanian league finals will be major fact. If Rytas team wins, then Euroleague ticket will be guaranteed, now if only takes second place they will have to fight in additional tournament for that ticket.

And obviously Valanciunas wants to play in the Euroleague than Euro Cup.

Rytas team is struggling lately (only Valanciunas is playing good) so the chances of Rytas winning Lithuanian league finals look slim right now, which improves his chances on going to NBA next season.
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Post#215 » by Pablonis » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:36 pm

Some proper up-to-date videos of 2010-11 season Valanciunas.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLa5yFCF6Go[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYAiv2EOsx8[/youtube]


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Post#216 » by carrottop12 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:03 pm

Videos like this scare the hell out of me. His athleticism looks like it is nowhere near NBA standards, he's awkward to say the least, and like David Locke points out, his game awareness just looks bad.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS_-RMKoX9Y&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
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Post#217 » by sisibilio » Sun May 1, 2011 3:56 am

That Locke guy has no clue. And judging a player by just 1 game, let alone a 4 minute video is beyond silly.
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Post#218 » by DirtyDez » Sun May 1, 2011 9:27 am

I wonder how these guys would play against american college competition not that we'll ever know. I bet teams next year like North Carolina would smash these Euro teams.
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Post#219 » by John Doe [MIN] » Sun May 1, 2011 11:53 am

Pablonis, how do those highlight videos validate your claim, at all? 90% of Valanciunas' baskets there are assists on him cutting hard toward the hoop. Is that really such a great skill that Biyombo couldn't possibly do it? When Valanciunas does get a cleanish look at the hoop, he rarely dunks, and even when he does, he's not getting a lot of lift.

I came away from the videos with renewed concern about his athleticism and offensive skill level.
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Post#220 » by baulderdash77 » Sun May 1, 2011 12:57 pm

I get concerned watching Robert Archibald powering through you. You're talking major NBA scrub that's taking it to you.

These video's to me make me want Bismack or Kanter even more if the Raptors are picking at #3.
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