Frank Kaminsky

[KF10]

I think Kaminsky is a late bloomer.

If he manages to get all of the "crafty"/"veteran" moves down early into his NBA career, he is going to be a problem. Especially if his jumper is good.

What's not to like? He's a 7 footer that can put the ball on the floor, has range from 3PT land, isn't a molasses, has post moves, can block a couple of shots, can pass and can rebound. Overall he is a skilled player.

Easily top-10, imo.

[Marcus]

I think Kaminsky is a late bloomer.

If he manages to get all of the "crafty"/"veteran" moves down early into his NBA career, he is going to be a problem. Especially if his jumper is good.

What's not to like? He's a 7 footer that can put the ball on the floor, has range from 3PT land, isn't a molasses, has post moves, can block a couple of shots, can pass and can rebound. Overall he is a skilled player.

Easily top-10, imo.

who's in your top 10?

[KF10]

I think Kaminsky is a late bloomer.

If he manages to get all of the "crafty"/"veteran" moves down early into his NBA career, he is going to be a problem. Especially if his jumper is good.

What's not to like? He's a 7 footer that can put the ball on the floor, has range from 3PT land, isn't a molasses, has post moves, can block a couple of shots, can pass and can rebound. Overall he is a skilled player.

Easily top-10, imo.

who's in your top 10?

Not in order:

Kaminsky
Towns
Okafor
Winslow
Russell
Mudiay
Porzingis
WCS
Hezonja
Johnson

[campybatman]

Admittedly, I haven't watched enough of Kaminsky to have an opinion of him. But I don't believe Olynyk gets enough credit as a NBA player. He has a mature offense and is an adept passer, but doesn't have the rebounding skill and defense to match. Plumlee's energy and athleticism impresses me. Right now, I think Tyler's further along as a NBA player than his brother, Cody. In my opinion, I doubt Cody will ever live up to his draft selection (fourth overall). Of these players, Kaminsky reminds me of Olynyk. That is, their offense is more advanced than their defense, but they lack foot speed and lateral movement to stay in front of their man.

[NBA Moses]

One concern I have of Kaminsky at the next level is his slight frame.Whoa is he thin and usually if you are skinny you naturally have some speed. But Hes skinny and slow. 7' 230 lbs. Thats Nerlens Noel thin without the hops and the speed. But he does bring smarts,post game,range.

Fascinating player but he could take a serious beating at the next level with his meek build.

I think hes better value at say 9 or 10 than Okafor will be at 1 or 2

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

He's such a crafty player. He reminds me of Luis Scola in that way. Mehmet Okur is another guy that comes to mind.

[Leslie Forman]

I agree with this post except for the part about frank having post moves, he has 1 and no legit counter move at this stage. 90% of the time he's going to spin right and if it doesn't work he passes out of it. He does a lot of pivoting in the post trying to repeatedly go back to his right but not much else. On occasion he does go for a lefty hook which he leaves short or he'll try a spin left with poor results.

This is spot on. Kaminsky has one move and that's it. Take away that one move, which any competent defense (i.e. not some college team) will do, and he doesn't actually have a lot of "finesse" or "smarts."

He's looking like the McDermott of this draft. People think he's "crafty" and "sly" when his game is actually very basic and not that nuanced. He just gets away with a lot of junk that won't work against NBA defenses.

[Notanoob]

Kaminsky has the classic bust profile:

1) 4 year player who overperforms in the NCAA tournament.

2) White American Center

3) Low steals rate, low block rate for a center.

Historically, the best sign that a college player is going to turn into a productive NBA player? Check out his freshman and sophomore years. Kaminsky was a footnote those years.

It will be interesting to see what dumb teams takes him in the lottery. Indiana? Utah? White heroes play well to their fanbases.

I'd say it's a mistake to call him a center, he'll be playing PF in the NBA. Compared to other PFs he rates out in the middle of the pack for both steals and blocks- ahead of guys like Towns, Brandon Ashley, Trey Lyles, and Sam Dekker in steals, and ahead of Portis, Looney and Dekker in blocks. 1.1. steals and 1.9 blocks are low numbers to be sure, but they compare better to other PFs than Cs, who are mostly in the 3 blocks per40 pace adjusted area.

Surprisingly, Okafor only has 1 steal and 1.9 blocks per 40pace adjusted himself. That's a disturbingly low block rate, especially for a guy his size and length.

[JMac1]

He's obviously not a top 5 pick or a franchise player, but he can certainly help a team in the middle of the 1st round who needs a big who can hit shots and space the floor.

The Suns.

I'll take him all day long and twice on Sundays at 13. A Frye who can put the ball on the floor. A perfect stretch 4/5 to open the lane and set high screens for Bled or Knight. I hope the GM's are as blind or ignorant as some of the posters on this board and leave him available at 13.

I love when people over analyze players to display their "insight," that is why players like Steph Curry fall behind Rubio, Johnny Flynn and Brandon Jennings.

He beasted Towns and Okafor.......period!

[KF10]

As long as Kaminsky keeps improving his shot into NBA 3PT range, he will have a place in the NBA as a stretch 4/5. Anything else is a bonus.

[JMac1]

Frank sure does love him some spin moves. How is that going to translate?

He won't be able to whore it as much in the NBA. He will probably turn it over a lot while learning when it can/can't be used. If he finally learns, he should be able to bust it out once every few games when the team has been denied its preferred options on offense.

Thanks for the laugh.....to funny!

[tmorgan]

I know it's the Kaminsky thread, but it doesn't say much for Okafor and KAT that they weren't really prepared to defend his ONE MOVE. This draft is full of guys with question marks. Frank should go late lottery, because there aren't 13 better prospects. There are 13 guys with higher ceilings, but that's not how the draft works.

[HeartBreakKid]

He's looking like the McDermott of this draft. People think he's "crafty" and "sly" when his game is actually very basic and not that nuanced. He just gets away with a lot of junk that won't work against NBA defenses.

Doug McDermott was injured this season. ~_~

[Leslie Forman]

I know it's the Kaminsky thread, but it doesn't say much for Okafor and KAT that they weren't really prepared to defend his ONE MOVE. This draft is full of guys with question marks. Frank should go late lottery, because there aren't 13 better prospects. There are 13 guys with higher ceilings, but that's not how the draft works.

This is more on the coaches, you can't really expect the players themselves, who have limited hours to spend, to go and scout a bunch of Wisconsin games on their own time. It's not a coincidence that guys like Drummond and Jordan look like much more competent defenders in the NBA even though the competition is far better. They are actually getting decent coaching, which they never got in college.

Doug McDermott was injured this season. ~_~

The injuries are not why he looks completely lost in an NBA game.

[Gordon]

Really depends where he gets drafted. I don`t think he is a starter, but i think he can be rotation big with his smarts, skills and shooting. So if he gets drafted in 7-10 range people will say he is a bust, while in 15-20 would look like good value.

[RSCD3_]

He remids me of a 4/5 tweener

Too slight to guard the 5
Too slow to guard the 4

Will get eaten alive on defense.

[Cammo101]

It's so predictable. Kaminsky's going to end up getting drafted higher than a freshman center with actual potential like Myles Turner.

Turner's freshman year, as flawed as it was, is still another stratosphere compared to Kaminsky's non-entity of a freshman year.

Grade along the age curve, or face doom!

I think you are not taking into account that Frank plays on a Wisconsin team that very rarely plays Freshman in general. They are not Duke or Kentucky where they have no real upperclassmen with talent. Wisconsin is one of the last old school programs who values team play and veterans.

This guy you say can't play in the NBA I just watched absolutely tooling the top 2 picks in the draft over the span of the last 3 days. And while those guys have the upside to pass Kaminsky by, he is very clearly an NBA player.

It's also worth mentioning that for every Myles Turner that pans out, there are 5 or 6 that do not. So he is a much riskier pick than a proven talent like Kaminsky.

[Kilo]

I think his pick ceiling is Detroit at #8-9. Can't see any team taking him higher than that. Detroit could see him beside Drummond at PF replacing Monroe when he walks, providing more shooting range/spacing than Greg does anyways.

[No-Man]

He is going to be a lotto pick, his floor is Houstons pick.

[M-C-G]

I would love for him to fall to the Bucks. It would be awesome to replace ZaZa's FGA with Franks.

I also think getting into a NBA weight & training program could do wonders for him...Doesn't look like he has every lifted a weight.