Okafor or Towns? Which center is the better pick?

[Negrodamus]

He is, but my guess is that he leaves.
I am saying that is Ulis-Briscoe-Matthews-Lee-Labissiere for UK with Hawkins and Willis from the bench.
They might recruit someone else, but I dont see them as the favourite right now for any of the guys they are pursuing.

Zimmerman and Thon Maker (if he reclassified) are two we are sitting good with.

[Negrodamus]

Well Lee is going to be the starter next season next to Skal, so we will see how he performs, but I will be surprise if he is not a 1st rounder in 2016.
Cauley-Stein is not going to be much more than a warm body on the bench either.

I wouldn't put it past Dakari returning. His stock isn't terribly high right now.

Poythress is probably gone.

And Lee isn't just a bench player; he's fringe NBDL/ Europe. You can only get so far with length and athleticism in the NBA.

I hope he turns it around because he's likable and it would benefit UK, but right now he's not much.

[Justwar]

Ingram is another prospect kentucky is strong on. Never doubt UK in recruiting.

[DickGrayson]

Towns isn't on Chandler's level as an athlete, and will not be anywhere near the defender that Chandler has been during his career.

WTF?

Towns is already better defender than Chandler right now.
Chandler has been average on defense lately and he had one great season in NYK.

In fact, Chandler has only had 4 good defensive seasons as a center, the rest were average.
Chandler is a below average shot blocker and gets extremely overrated on defense.

Towns will be a much better, consistent and overall defender than Chandler. Towns will be better than Chandler defensively in 2015-16 and you can quote this.

[LloydFree]

Towns isn't on Chandler's level as an athlete, and will not be anywhere near the defender that Chandler has been during his career.

WTF?

Towns is already better defender than Chandler right now.
Chandler has been average on defense lately and he had one great season in NYK.

In fact, Chandler has only had 4 good defensive seasons as a center, the rest were average.
Chandler is a below average shot blocker and gets extremely overrated on defense.

Towns will be a much better, consistent and overall defender than Chandler. Towns will be better than Chandler defensively in 2015-16 and you can quote this.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. You're comparing Towns as a college defender to Tyson Chandler guarding pros. I saw Chandler as an amateur. Towns is not the natural athlete that Chandler was. Towns will be a decent defender in the pros, but I doubt he is a stopper, because he doesn't have that kind of lateral movement. I'm a big fan of Towns, and think he should be the #1 pick, but I'm projecting his tools, not current production.

[DickGrayson]

Towns isn't on Chandler's level as an athlete, and will not be anywhere near the defender that Chandler has been during his career.

WTF?

Towns is already better defender than Chandler right now.
Chandler has been average on defense lately and he had one great season in NYK.

In fact, Chandler has only had 4 good defensive seasons as a center, the rest were average.
Chandler is a below average shot blocker and gets extremely overrated on defense.

Towns will be a much better, consistent and overall defender than Chandler. Towns will be better than Chandler defensively in 2015-16 and you can quote this.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. You're comparing Towns as a college defender to Tyson Chandler guarding pros. I saw Chandler as an amateur. Towns is not the natural athlete that Chandler was. Towns will be a decent defender in the pros, but I doubt he is a stopper, because he doesn't have that kind of lateral movement. I'm a big fan of Towns, and think he should be the #1 pick, but I'm projecting his tools, not current production.

Being more athletic doesn't make you the better defender all the time. Athleticism helps defense, especially in the NBA no question. Towns is athletic enough to be an elite defender. He's not DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard or Blake Griffin athletic, but neither was Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby.
"Towns is just a college defender" The downplay is real right now.
Karl Anthony Towns is making NCAA history as one of the best defensive freshman of all time.
Tyson Chandler is guarding pros but at average level most of his career. If you look at Chandler's teams, more often they rank 15th in defense. Chandler only had 4 seasons where he anchored a good defense.

"Decent" doesn't describe Towns at all. He's a STOPPER whether its contested or block shots or forcing his opponent to pass the ball. Teams constantly play away from Towns and refuse to challenge him at this point. He's known for stops, so how are you going to say he isn't a stopper? Towns lateral movement for a 7 footer is actually very good. he's currently the best defensive freshman prospect, better than Nerlens Noel and Anthony Davis. What his does in the NCAA will translate to the NBA and he'll may even be better in the NBA than the NCAA.

Do also you understand Chandler's athleticism was the death of him?
When he was healthy, he won DPOY as a Knick.
After his injury, he fell to 15-20th amongst centers in the NBA in interior defense. Knicks became one of the worst defensive teams. Chandler couldn't play to his full strength.


If you're going to breakdown Towns weakness, atleast be more accurate with it.

Towns has poor lower body strength. (dominating in the paint)
Towns isn't a good offensive finisher. (finishing strong at the basket)
Towns tends to hack when he had mistimed a defensive play. (foul prone)


Stops, lateral movement on defense, being "decent" on defense don't assess Towns at all. It's false

[Justwar]

Compare Chandlers and towns recent lane agility times towns very agile just huge feet

[Negrodamus]

WTF?

Towns is already better defender than Chandler right now.
Chandler has been average on defense lately and he had one great season in NYK.

In fact, Chandler has only had 4 good defensive seasons as a center, the rest were average.
Chandler is a below average shot blocker and gets extremely overrated on defense.

Towns will be a much better, consistent and overall defender than Chandler. Towns will be better than Chandler defensively in 2015-16 and you can quote this.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. You're comparing Towns as a college defender to Tyson Chandler guarding pros. I saw Chandler as an amateur. Towns is not the natural athlete that Chandler was. Towns will be a decent defender in the pros, but I doubt he is a stopper, because he doesn't have that kind of lateral movement. I'm a big fan of Towns, and think he should be the #1 pick, but I'm projecting his tools, not current production.

Being more athletic doesn't make you the better defender all the time. Athleticism helps defense, especially in the NBA no question. Towns is athletic enough to be an elite defender. He's not DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard or Blake Griffin athletic, but neither was Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby.
"Towns is just a college defender" The downplay is real right now.
Karl Anthony Towns is making NCAA history as one of the best defensive freshman of all time.
Tyson Chandler is guarding pros but at average level most of his career. If you look at Chandler's teams, more often they rank 15th in defense. Chandler only had 4 seasons where he anchored a good defense.

"Decent" doesn't describe Towns at all. He's a STOPPER whether its contested or block shots or forcing his opponent to pass the ball. Teams constantly play away from Towns and refuse to challenge him at this point. He's known for stops, so how are you going to say he isn't a stopper? Towns lateral movement for a 7 footer is actually very good. he's currently the best defensive freshman prospect, better than Nerlens Noel and Anthony Davis. What his does in the NCAA will translate to the NBA and he'll may even be better in the NBA than the NCAA.

Do also you understand Chandler's athleticism was the death of him?
When he was healthy, he won DPOY as a Knick.
After his injury, he fell to 15-20th amongst centers in the NBA in interior defense. Knicks became one of the worst defensive teams. Chandler couldn't play to his full strength.


If you're going to breakdown Towns weakness, atleast be more accurate with it.

Towns has poor lower body strength. (dominating in the paint)
Towns isn't a good offensive finisher. (finishing strong at the basket)
Towns tends to hack when he had mistimed a defensive play. (foul prone)


Stops, lateral movement on defense, being "decent" on defense don't assess Towns at all. It's false

As someone that watched both of their seasons live, KAT being a better defensive prospect than Davis and Noel is categorically false.

KAT is a great defender, but Davis, Noel, and probably Oden are the best post defenders we've seen in the college game since the Ewing/Olajuwon days.

[DickGrayson]

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. You're comparing Towns as a college defender to Tyson Chandler guarding pros. I saw Chandler as an amateur. Towns is not the natural athlete that Chandler was. Towns will be a decent defender in the pros, but I doubt he is a stopper, because he doesn't have that kind of lateral movement. I'm a big fan of Towns, and think he should be the #1 pick, but I'm projecting his tools, not current production.

Being more athletic doesn't make you the better defender all the time. Athleticism helps defense, especially in the NBA no question. Towns is athletic enough to be an elite defender. He's not DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard or Blake Griffin athletic, but neither was Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby.
"Towns is just a college defender" The downplay is real right now.
Karl Anthony Towns is making NCAA history as one of the best defensive freshman of all time.
Tyson Chandler is guarding pros but at average level most of his career. If you look at Chandler's teams, more often they rank 15th in defense. Chandler only had 4 seasons where he anchored a good defense.

"Decent" doesn't describe Towns at all. He's a STOPPER whether its contested or block shots or forcing his opponent to pass the ball. Teams constantly play away from Towns and refuse to challenge him at this point. He's known for stops, so how are you going to say he isn't a stopper? Towns lateral movement for a 7 footer is actually very good. he's currently the best defensive freshman prospect, better than Nerlens Noel and Anthony Davis. What his does in the NCAA will translate to the NBA and he'll may even be better in the NBA than the NCAA.

Do also you understand Chandler's athleticism was the death of him?
When he was healthy, he won DPOY as a Knick.
After his injury, he fell to 15-20th amongst centers in the NBA in interior defense. Knicks became one of the worst defensive teams. Chandler couldn't play to his full strength.


If you're going to breakdown Towns weakness, atleast be more accurate with it.

Towns has poor lower body strength. (dominating in the paint)
Towns isn't a good offensive finisher. (finishing strong at the basket)
Towns tends to hack when he had mistimed a defensive play. (foul prone)


Stops, lateral movement on defense, being "decent" on defense don't assess Towns at all. It's false

As someone that watched both of their seasons live, KAT being a better defensive prospect than Davis and Noel is categorically false.

KAT is a great defender, but Davis, Noel, and probably Oden are the best post defenders we've seen in the college game since the Ewing/Olajuwon days.

You saw them live, but needed glasses then.
All of them were elite defensive prospects, Towns however is the top so far.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... der_by=bpm

Karl Anthony Towns is currently the most elite defender in recent college basketball amongst debuting players.
Karl Anthony Towns is #1 and has the best Defensive Rating. Better than Anthony Davis and Noel.

KAT has a DRating of 76.
AD has a DRating of 80.

KAT is the defensive anchor of Kentucky. They're #1 defense with Towns.


Town's Kentucky team is #1 in DRTG and #2 in Points allowed per game
Davis's Kentucky team was #15 in DRTG and #24 n Points allowed per game.
Noel's Kentucky team was #73 in DRTG and #117th in Points allowed per game.
Oden's Ohio state team was #31 in Points allowed per game.

[Eyeamok]

Being more athletic doesn't make you the better defender all the time. Athleticism helps defense, especially in the NBA no question. Towns is athletic enough to be an elite defender. He's not DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard or Blake Griffin athletic, but neither was Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby.
"Towns is just a college defender" The downplay is real right now.
Karl Anthony Towns is making NCAA history as one of the best defensive freshman of all time.
Tyson Chandler is guarding pros but at average level most of his career. If you look at Chandler's teams, more often they rank 15th in defense. Chandler only had 4 seasons where he anchored a good defense.

"Decent" doesn't describe Towns at all. He's a STOPPER whether its contested or block shots or forcing his opponent to pass the ball. Teams constantly play away from Towns and refuse to challenge him at this point. He's known for stops, so how are you going to say he isn't a stopper? Towns lateral movement for a 7 footer is actually very good. he's currently the best defensive freshman prospect, better than Nerlens Noel and Anthony Davis. What his does in the NCAA will translate to the NBA and he'll may even be better in the NBA than the NCAA.

Do also you understand Chandler's athleticism was the death of him?
When he was healthy, he won DPOY as a Knick.
After his injury, he fell to 15-20th amongst centers in the NBA in interior defense. Knicks became one of the worst defensive teams. Chandler couldn't play to his full strength.


If you're going to breakdown Towns weakness, atleast be more accurate with it.

Towns has poor lower body strength. (dominating in the paint)
Towns isn't a good offensive finisher. (finishing strong at the basket)
Towns tends to hack when he had mistimed a defensive play. (foul prone)


Stops, lateral movement on defense, being "decent" on defense don't assess Towns at all. It's false

As someone that watched both of their seasons live, KAT being a better defensive prospect than Davis and Noel is categorically false.

KAT is a great defender, but Davis, Noel, and probably Oden are the best post defenders we've seen in the college game since the Ewing/Olajuwon days.

You saw them live, but needed glasses then.
All of them were elite defensive prospects, Towns however is the top so far.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... der_by=bpm

Karl Anthony Towns is currently the most elite defender in recent college basketball amongst debuting players.
Karl Anthony Towns is #1 and has the best Defensive Rating. Better than Anthony Davis and Noel.

KAT has a DRating of 76.
AD has a DRating of 80.

KAT is the defensive anchor of Kentucky. They're #1 defense with Towns.


Town's Kentucky team is #1 in DRTG and #2 in Points allowed per game
Davis's Kentucky team was #15 in DRTG and #24 n Points allowed per game.
Noel's Kentucky team was #73 in DRTG and #117th in Points allowed per game.
Oden's Ohio state team was #31 in Points allowed per game.

I could be wrong on this. But where your college team ranks defensively is not really an individual stat??!?!?!
This Kentucky team has been touted as a team that could play and perhaps beat an NBA team. Not because of KAT but
because of all the talent they have on the team.

I would think it would be easier to be a top defensive team if you have a team full of extremely talented players as opposed
to one super defensive player. But what do I know!!!

[Dcebucks11]

Being more athletic doesn't make you the better defender all the time. Athleticism helps defense, especially in the NBA no question. Towns is athletic enough to be an elite defender. He's not DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard or Blake Griffin athletic, but neither was Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby.
"Towns is just a college defender" The downplay is real right now.
Karl Anthony Towns is making NCAA history as one of the best defensive freshman of all time.
Tyson Chandler is guarding pros but at average level most of his career. If you look at Chandler's teams, more often they rank 15th in defense. Chandler only had 4 seasons where he anchored a good defense.

"Decent" doesn't describe Towns at all. He's a STOPPER whether its contested or block shots or forcing his opponent to pass the ball. Teams constantly play away from Towns and refuse to challenge him at this point. He's known for stops, so how are you going to say he isn't a stopper? Towns lateral movement for a 7 footer is actually very good. he's currently the best defensive freshman prospect, better than Nerlens Noel and Anthony Davis. What his does in the NCAA will translate to the NBA and he'll may even be better in the NBA than the NCAA.

Do also you understand Chandler's athleticism was the death of him?
When he was healthy, he won DPOY as a Knick.
After his injury, he fell to 15-20th amongst centers in the NBA in interior defense. Knicks became one of the worst defensive teams. Chandler couldn't play to his full strength.


If you're going to breakdown Towns weakness, atleast be more accurate with it.

Towns has poor lower body strength. (dominating in the paint)
Towns isn't a good offensive finisher. (finishing strong at the basket)
Towns tends to hack when he had mistimed a defensive play. (foul prone)


Stops, lateral movement on defense, being "decent" on defense don't assess Towns at all. It's false

As someone that watched both of their seasons live, KAT being a better defensive prospect than Davis and Noel is categorically false.

KAT is a great defender, but Davis, Noel, and probably Oden are the best post defenders we've seen in the college game since the Ewing/Olajuwon days.

You saw them live, but needed glasses then.
All of them were elite defensive prospects, Towns however is the top so far.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... der_by=bpm

Karl Anthony Towns is currently the most elite defender in recent college basketball amongst debuting players.
Karl Anthony Towns is #1 and has the best Defensive Rating. Better than Anthony Davis and Noel.

KAT has a DRating of 76.
AD has a DRating of 80.

KAT is the defensive anchor of Kentucky. They're #1 defense with Towns.


Town's Kentucky team is #1 in DRTG and #2 in Points allowed per game
Davis's Kentucky team was #15 in DRTG and #24 n Points allowed per game.
Noel's Kentucky team was #73 in DRTG and #117th in Points allowed per game.
Oden's Ohio state team was #31 in Points allowed per game.

You have to give credit to Cauley Stein, and the harrison bros too... Those guys are great defenders especially Stein.

[Zeitgeister]

You saw them live, but needed glasses then.
All of them were elite defensive prospects, Towns however is the top so far.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... der_by=bpm

Karl Anthony Towns is currently the most elite defender in recent college basketball amongst debuting players.
Karl Anthony Towns is #1 and has the best Defensive Rating. Better than Anthony Davis and Noel.

KAT has a DRating of 76.
AD has a DRating of 80.

KAT is the defensive anchor of Kentucky. They're #1 defense with Towns.


Town's Kentucky team is #1 in DRTG and #2 in Points allowed per game
Davis's Kentucky team was #15 in DRTG and #24 n Points allowed per game.
Noel's Kentucky team was #73 in DRTG and #117th in Points allowed per game.
Oden's Ohio state team was #31 in Points allowed per game.

Now let's consider something else...

Nerlens Noel: 32 MPG
Greg Oden: 29 MPG
Anthony Davis: 32 MPG
Karl Anthony Towns: 20.5 MPG

What do you think this data is telling you?

[DickGrayson]

As someone that watched both of their seasons live, KAT being a better defensive prospect than Davis and Noel is categorically false.

KAT is a great defender, but Davis, Noel, and probably Oden are the best post defenders we've seen in the college game since the Ewing/Olajuwon days.

You saw them live, but needed glasses then.
All of them were elite defensive prospects, Towns however is the top so far.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... der_by=bpm

Karl Anthony Towns is currently the most elite defender in recent college basketball amongst debuting players.
Karl Anthony Towns is #1 and has the best Defensive Rating. Better than Anthony Davis and Noel.

KAT has a DRating of 76.
AD has a DRating of 80.

KAT is the defensive anchor of Kentucky. They're #1 defense with Towns.


Town's Kentucky team is #1 in DRTG and #2 in Points allowed per game
Davis's Kentucky team was #15 in DRTG and #24 n Points allowed per game.
Noel's Kentucky team was #73 in DRTG and #117th in Points allowed per game.
Oden's Ohio state team was #31 in Points allowed per game.

You have to give credit to Cauley Stein, and the harrison bros too... Those guys are great defenders especially Stein.

those guys are great, but they definitely benefit off of Towns presence. WCS wasn't the kind of defender he is today compared to last season.

You saw them live, but needed glasses then.
All of them were elite defensive prospects, Towns however is the top so far.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... der_by=bpm

Karl Anthony Towns is currently the most elite defender in recent college basketball amongst debuting players.
Karl Anthony Towns is #1 and has the best Defensive Rating. Better than Anthony Davis and Noel.

KAT has a DRating of 76.
AD has a DRating of 80.

KAT is the defensive anchor of Kentucky. They're #1 defense with Towns.


Town's Kentucky team is #1 in DRTG and #2 in Points allowed per game
Davis's Kentucky team was #15 in DRTG and #24 n Points allowed per game.
Noel's Kentucky team was #73 in DRTG and #117th in Points allowed per game.
Oden's Ohio state team was #31 in Points allowed per game.

Now let's consider something else...

Nerlens Noel: 32 MPG
Greg Oden: 29 MPG
Anthony Davis: 32 MPG
Karl Anthony Towns: 20.5 MPG

What do you think this data is telling you?

Kentucky plays their best defense with Towns on the court, no question.

Florida game is a perfect example of that. Kentucky capitalized on all of Towns stops, offensively, they were able to product points with Towns in the post.

[ColdBlooded]

[Negrodamus]

Being more athletic doesn't make you the better defender all the time. Athleticism helps defense, especially in the NBA no question. Towns is athletic enough to be an elite defender. He's not DeAndre Jordan, Dwight Howard or Blake Griffin athletic, but neither was Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby.
"Towns is just a college defender" The downplay is real right now.
Karl Anthony Towns is making NCAA history as one of the best defensive freshman of all time.
Tyson Chandler is guarding pros but at average level most of his career. If you look at Chandler's teams, more often they rank 15th in defense. Chandler only had 4 seasons where he anchored a good defense.

"Decent" doesn't describe Towns at all. He's a STOPPER whether its contested or block shots or forcing his opponent to pass the ball. Teams constantly play away from Towns and refuse to challenge him at this point. He's known for stops, so how are you going to say he isn't a stopper? Towns lateral movement for a 7 footer is actually very good. he's currently the best defensive freshman prospect, better than Nerlens Noel and Anthony Davis. What his does in the NCAA will translate to the NBA and he'll may even be better in the NBA than the NCAA.

Do also you understand Chandler's athleticism was the death of him?
When he was healthy, he won DPOY as a Knick.
After his injury, he fell to 15-20th amongst centers in the NBA in interior defense. Knicks became one of the worst defensive teams. Chandler couldn't play to his full strength.


If you're going to breakdown Towns weakness, atleast be more accurate with it.

Towns has poor lower body strength. (dominating in the paint)
Towns isn't a good offensive finisher. (finishing strong at the basket)
Towns tends to hack when he had mistimed a defensive play. (foul prone)


Stops, lateral movement on defense, being "decent" on defense don't assess Towns at all. It's false

As someone that watched both of their seasons live, KAT being a better defensive prospect than Davis and Noel is categorically false.

KAT is a great defender, but Davis, Noel, and probably Oden are the best post defenders we've seen in the college game since the Ewing/Olajuwon days.

You saw them live, but needed glasses then.
All of them were elite defensive prospects, Towns however is the top so far.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... der_by=bpm

Karl Anthony Towns is currently the most elite defender in recent college basketball amongst debuting players.
Karl Anthony Towns is #1 and has the best Defensive Rating. Better than Anthony Davis and Noel.

KAT has a DRating of 76.
AD has a DRating of 80.

KAT is the defensive anchor of Kentucky. They're #1 defense with Towns.


Town's Kentucky team is #1 in DRTG and #2 in Points allowed per game
Davis's Kentucky team was #15 in DRTG and #24 n Points allowed per game.
Noel's Kentucky team was #73 in DRTG and #117th in Points allowed per game.
Oden's Ohio state team was #31 in Points allowed per game.

Was that a attempt to prove your point?

Noel had NOBODY helping him on defense. The only reason they had a winning record that season was because Nerlens put up unprecedented numbers on defense.

Towns has the luxury of having WCS, Dakari, Lyles, and Lee in the event he gets in foul trouble. That means he can go after the ball without worrying about fouling, unlike AD and Nerlens. Towns is the best rebounder of the three, but his presence on the defensive end is no where near Noel or AD. You'd be hard pressed to find one UK fan that would agree with you.

[Zeitgeister]

Now let's consider something else...

Nerlens Noel: 32 MPG
Greg Oden: 29 MPG
Anthony Davis: 32 MPG
Karl Anthony Towns: 20.5 MPG

What do you think this data is telling you?

Kentucky plays their best defense with Towns on the court, no question.

Florida game is a perfect example of that. Kentucky capitalized on all of Towns stops, offensively, they were able to product points with Towns in the post.

I'm sure they do, that's not really the point though. First of all, those defensive ratings are all very team based, WCS has a nearly identical defensive rating to Towns and Kentucky is that much better than the other teams you brought up in defensive rating even with Towns playing half the game. I think the point is that Towns plays on a deeper team with multiple great defenders.

[DickGrayson]

Now let's consider something else...

Nerlens Noel: 32 MPG
Greg Oden: 29 MPG
Anthony Davis: 32 MPG
Karl Anthony Towns: 20.5 MPG

What do you think this data is telling you?

Kentucky plays their best defense with Towns on the court, no question.

Florida game is a perfect example of that. Kentucky capitalized on all of Towns stops, offensively, they were able to product points with Towns in the post.

I'm sure they do, that's not really the point though. First of all, those defensive ratings are all very team based, WCS has a nearly identical defensive rating to Towns and Kentucky is that much better than the other teams you brought up in defensive rating even with Towns playing half the game. I think the point is that Towns plays on a deeper team with multiple great defenders.

If they're team based, thats to Towns advantage. Towns elevates the play of this teammates, it's clearly a reflection of his impact on the court. If his minutes increased, it only benefits the argument of Towns and Kentucky's play when Towns is on the court. His teammates always been good players, but they become great playing with Towns. WCS is a lottery pick now because of Towns. Last year, his DRTG was 91. With Towns, it becomes 77.

I project Towns will do the same on the next level. We'll see average-good NBA players play on a higher level playing with Towns.

[King Ken]

Depends on the team and system: Hawks, Knicks, Sixers and Wolves should draft Towns
Nuggets, Magic, Suns take Okafor. Okafor is an advanced center with a center body. He is like a better passing and size version of Al Jefferson.

[DickGrayson]

Was that a attempt to prove your point?

Noel had NOBODY helping him on defense. The only reason they had a winning record that season was because Nerlens put up unprecedented numbers on defense.

Towns has the luxury of having WCS, Dakari, Lyles, and Lee in the event he gets in foul trouble. That means he can go after the ball without worrying about fouling, unlike AD and Nerlens. Towns is the best rebounder of the three, but his presence on the defensive end is no where near Noel or AD. You'd be hard pressed to find one UK fan that would agree with you.

Sounds like excuses, not worth getting into those.

Theres been tons of talented NCAA college teams with top recruits that never got to gel and work together.
Kentucky is different. They play unselfish ball, not the best offense but defensively they're becoming a historical team.
You can have all the talent in the world, but doesn't work if you can't play as a team. Thats what separate Kentucky from previous teams. You're making excuses. "Towns teammates are good so what he does shouldn't count"

Actually AD did average a better rate of rebounds slightly than Towns, nothing significant, however Towns plays on a team full of rebounders and still manages to grab boards at an impressive rate. I would agree he's the better rebounder.

I disagree. Town as a freshman is way more advanced defensively than Noel, he's up there with Davis. We'll see if Kentucky can win a championship because AD has a championship with Kentucky and is the best freshman in their recent history no question. Towns has to lead Kentucky to the chip before we go there. Davis obviously the better player, but Towns does more defensively than Davis does.

[Zeitgeister]

Kentucky plays their best defense with Towns on the court, no question.

Florida game is a perfect example of that. Kentucky capitalized on all of Towns stops, offensively, they were able to product points with Towns in the post.

I'm sure they do, that's not really the point though. First of all, those defensive ratings are all very team based, WCS has a nearly identical defensive rating to Towns and Kentucky is that much better than the other teams you brought up in defensive rating even with Towns playing half the game. I think the point is that Towns plays on a deeper team with multiple great defenders.

If they're team based, thats to Towns advantage. Towns elevates the play of this teammates, it's clearly a reflection of his impact on the court. If his minutes increased, it only benefits the argument of Towns and Kentucky's play when Towns is on the court. His teammates always been good players, but they become great playing with Towns. WCS is a lottery pick now because of Towns. Last year, his DRTG was 91. With Towns, it becomes 77.

I project Towns will do the same on the next level. We'll see average-good NBA players play on a higher level playing with Towns.

Yet somehow, even with Towns not playing for half the game, the team is still light years ahead of the other teams you brought up in your comparison.

Towns and WCS compliment each other well. They both benefit from each other, defensively. Towns can also play extremely aggressive on defense because he's playing limited minutes and they have great depth.