Lonzo Ball

mattao313 · Post #201 » by **mattao313** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:22 pm

Like him but his handle looks move problematic than anything else imo, pretty basic for a PG.

LALifer49 · Post #202 » by **LALifer49** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:15 pm

LonZoBallin wrote:
Marcus wrote:
ItsThatEasy wrote:This is one player I can't wait to see flop in the league. Solely because of the hype he's getting. He's not a top 5 pick at all and I doubt he's a PG in the NBA tbh.

What did he do to you?

He's a laker fan. Every player in this draft sucks since they lost their pick lol

Don't count us out yet! We have a bottom 4 roster in the league and a whole lot of motivation to keep the pick lol.

jrob23 · Post #203 » by **jrob23** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:26 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Ball took the most shots he's taken by some margin today (18 including FGA that resulted in FTs).

If he can lift his projected scoring in the NBA by even 3 points (EG. 13 v 16 ) that changes alot to me as that could move him from Rondo & Rubio to Nash & Kidd range.

I wonder though if it's a one off against lower opposition, or whether he'll look to assert himself more now that the team streak is over.

Kidd himself was a 13 ppg range for the majority of his career so he's already there. Kidd did have 5 seasons of 15-18 ppg. Point is, they are similar in that they didn't need to score to affect games. Ball actually shoots much better than Kidd so the potential to score above 13 ppg is at least there.

Post #204 » by **Marcus** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 12:39 am

LALifer49 wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:
Marcus wrote:

What did he do to you?

He's a laker fan. Every player in this draft sucks since they lost their pick lol

Don't count us out yet! We have a bottom 4 roster in the league and a whole lot of motivation to keep the pick lol.

You guys have to get number 1 though right?

Chuck Everett · Post #205 » by **Chuck Everett** » Sun Jan 1, 2017 1:24 am

Marcus wrote:
LALifer49 wrote:
LonZoBallin wrote:
He's a laker fan. Every player in this draft sucks since they lost their pick lol

Don't count us out yet! We have a bottom 4 roster in the league and a whole lot of motivation to keep the pick lol.

You guys have to get number 1 though right?

Top 3 or they lose it.

Coeur · Post #206 » by **Coeur** » Mon Jan 2, 2017 1:18 am

Horrified for the guy for the likelihood he has to go to Sacramento

NatiboyB · Post #207 » by **NatiboyB** » Wed Jan 4, 2017 11:57 pm

Coeur wrote:Horrified for the guy for the likelihood he has to go to Sacramento

Unless The Kings end up with a top 3 pick I can't see this happening.

BudLightTwerk · Post #208 » by **BudLightTwerk** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 4:35 am

I think he is overrated to be honest. athletically he lacks the power and quickness of elite starting point guard in the NBA today at the same time he's not a great shooter either and has a stroke that he starts so low it should be easy to block unless he develops curry range.

I just feel like opposing point guards will dominate him physically.

BudLightTwerk · Post #209 » by **BudLightTwerk** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 4:44 am

Ball is listed at 190lbs. I'm not so sure....

jrob23 · Post #210 » by **jrob23** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 4:55 am

BudLightTwerk wrote:I think he is overrated to be honest. athletically he lacks the power and quickness of elite starting point guard in the NBA today at the same time he's not a great shooter either and has a stroke that he starts so low it should be easy to block unless he develops curry range.

I just feel like opposing point guards will dominate him physically.

yeah, 6'6" point guards are easy to block /s. not a great shooter? interesting because he's shooting 43% from three. So did you know that before you made that comment or just pulling stuff out of thin air? lmao. Not quick enough? He's proven fully capable of dribbling up the court with eyes up against Fox and he's about as good a defender he's going to see in the NBA. Great post besides all that though!! :nonono:

bigboi · Post #211 » by **bigboi** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 7:32 pm

Damn, this man's hype fell off a cliff. Went from top 5 to not even mentioned at all. Dennis is the captain now bih

Post #212 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 7:43 pm

bigboi wrote:Damn, this man's hype fell off a cliff. Went from top 5 to not even mentioned at all. Dennis is the captain now bih

It was always going to be that way with this draft. With all this talent around all a kid needs is a solid stretch to get bounced to the top of the boards.

It's Dennis' wave right now.

Post #213 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 8:13 pm

Marcus wrote:
bigboi wrote:Damn, this man's hype fell off a cliff. Went from top 5 to not even mentioned at all. Dennis is the captain now bih

It was always going to be that way with this draft. With all this talent around all a kid needs is a solid stretch to get bounced to the top of the boards.

It's Dennis' wave right now.

Yup that's why people like you, myself and others stated before this year began, you can make a legit argument for 4-5 maybe even 6 if Giles gets back to himself to be the #1 pick and you wouldn't sound crazy.

If Giles keeps getting better and better and passes all medical tests, could you blame Boston for taking him #1? He's exactly what they need.

If Phoenix gets the #1 pick can you blame them for taking Ball because he fits exactly what they're trying to build.

If Tatum or Jackson begin to hit their 3s could you blame a team taking them #1? 6-8 wings with great two way potential, one is a great athlete the other is as skilled as we've seen when it comes to the mid range, they both have great handles, rebound and facilitate.

Could you blame Miami or the Pelicans for taking DSJ so they can run a dominant PnR duo with their bigs.

Could you blame anymore for taking Fultz who is a great scorer and play either guard spot.

I have a feeling we are going to see a few different names get a nice wave of momentum throughout the season. This is why I hate that Fultz plays for such a bad team. A great tourney run from one if these guys can be enough to push their name to #1 with it being so close.

reanimator · Post #214 » by **reanimator** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 8:33 pm

bigboi wrote:Damn, this man's hype fell off a cliff. Went from top 5 to not even mentioned at all. Dennis is the captain now bih

Only for reactionary types like the Chad Fords.

bigboi · Post #215 » by **bigboi** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 8:40 pm

reanimator wrote:
bigboi wrote:Damn, this man's hype fell off a cliff. Went from top 5 to not even mentioned at all. Dennis is the captain now bih

Only for reactionary types like the Chad Fords.

Not really. I said from the get that Ball was overrated and he was getting hyped due to being a lower prospect that was having a hot start. He looks to max out at a super role player unlike the others

ItsThatEasy · Post #216 » by **ItsThatEasy** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 8:43 pm

bigboi wrote:Damn, this man's hype fell off a cliff. Went from top 5 to not even mentioned at all. Dennis is the captain now bih

"Takeover" reference?

reanimator · Post #217 » by **reanimator** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 8:48 pm

bigboi wrote:
reanimator wrote:
bigboi wrote:Damn, this man's hype fell off a cliff. Went from top 5 to not even mentioned at all. Dennis is the captain now bih

Only for reactionary types like the Chad Fords.

Not really. I said from the get that Ball was overrated and he was getting hyped due to being a lower prospect that was having a hot start. He looks to max out at a super role player unlike the others

More so a reference to DSJ than Ball.

Post #218 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 8:52 pm

bigboi wrote:
reanimator wrote:
bigboi wrote:Damn, this man's hype fell off a cliff. Went from top 5 to not even mentioned at all. Dennis is the captain now bih

Only for reactionary types like the Chad Fords.

Not really. I said from the get that Ball was overrated and he was getting hyped due to being a lower prospect that was having a hot start. He looks to max out at a super role player unlike the others

he was never a lower prospect though. in all honesty if the kid didn't shoot the ball so weird nobody would have anything legit alarming to say about him. Any of the other "complaints" or "weaknesses" about his game have been answered. Its the shot people can't get over. Got no real defense for the Free Throw shooting except to say that it's an anomaly for him. He's been around 80 percent any other time.

Post #219 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 9:08 pm

I do think Ball's hype did get a little high. But I think that has a lot to do with a lot of people not watching enough of him.

I saw a lot of people early on saying they could draft Ball and play him off the ball and have him be a scorer and secondary facilitator. So then a lot of people see people say that then finally watch themselves and see Ball barely put up shots and seeing thats not his game at all so people go sour on him.

What exactly has Ball done for people to go sour on him? He's still putting up assists while not turning it over, still shooting lights out from 3, still playing great D. He still is the same great athlete he was earlier, still has the same great size. UCLA lost to a really good Oregon team that finally has gotten healthy and they lost on a buzzer beater, does that ruin his winning persona for some people?

The only thing I can think of is he's a true pass first PG, we haven't seen that in a long time in an elite prospect and he has a different looking jumper.

Post #220 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 9:23 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:I do think Ball's hype did get a little high. But I think that has a lot to do with a lot of people not watching enough of him.

I saw a lot of people early on saying they could draft Ball and play him off the ball and have him be a scorer and secondary facilitator. So then a lot of people see people say that then finally watch themselves and see Ball barely put up shots and seeing thats not his game at all so people go sour on him.

What exactly has Ball done for people to go sour on him? He's still putting up assists while not turning it over, still shooting lights out from 3, still playing great D. He still is the same great athlete he was earlier, still has the same great size. The only thing I can think of is UCLA lost to a really good Oregon team that finally has gotten healthy and they lost on a buzzer beater.

The only thing I can think of is he's a true pass first PG, we haven't seen that in a long time in an elite prospect and he has a different looking jumper.

that's essentially all it is I think. People weren't familiar with his game at all and when you say things like #1 pick or first PG off the board folks want somebody that does the pretty things on the court. They want a guy that scores 20 with his eyes closed. They want a guy that jumps out the gym and shoots 50/40/90 for the season. So when you haven't seen him play and you read the numbers (which a lot of people do) you find yourself wondering why he's getting the hype he gets.

"I didn't see him dunk on anybody"
"he didn't drop 30 like the other kid did"
"now that I see him he has the worst jumper I've ever seen in my life"
"Noooooooo wayyyyyyy he gets that off in the NBA. How is going to score 30 a night with that thing? I'll pass."