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Post#201 » by SeattleJazzFan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:43 pm

Fischella wrote:Curry's release is clearly more versatile and higher though, Young does set his feet often and loses a bit of time there, Curry is just firing in the hole even if his legs are combed and he is shooting unbalanced


hard to say which release is higher. I went slow mo on his shot last night and he releases shot with his arm fully extended above his head - not straight up of course, but I'd say the point of release is about the same as curry. now, does curry get higher on his jump shot at times? possibly - that is almost impossible to say. but I don't think its a slam dunk that curry's shot is higher. probably quicker and more versatile has he's had several years in the league to figure those things out against better, bigger, longer defenders.
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Post#202 » by anthony00 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:30 pm

he gets the westbrook treatment
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Post#203 » by ItsThatEasy » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:38 am

akhan786 wrote:Hot take: I contend that if Trae wasn't as fugly, he'd be ranked a lot higher. What separates him from Kyrie as a prospect?

His shot is a bit too slow for my taste (similar to how Lonzo's shot has been bothered quite a bit in the league), but if his shooting translates, this kid looks like an All-star level PG.


He's a weird looking kid, gotta admit that.
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Post#204 » by blazeyo » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:52 am

ItsThatEasy wrote:
akhan786 wrote:Hot take: I contend that if Trae wasn't as fugly, he'd be ranked a lot higher. What separates him from Kyrie as a prospect?

His shot is a bit too slow for my taste (similar to how Lonzo's shot has been bothered quite a bit in the league), but if his shooting translates, this kid looks like an All-star level PG.


He's a weird looking kid, gotta admit that.


Not just the looks, he talks like a 15 year old kid. Somewhat lacks maturity in a sense.

Doesn't have the "it" factor when you see him and hear him talk.
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Post#205 » by ItsThatEasy » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:06 am

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ItsThatEasy wrote:
akhan786 wrote:Hot take: I contend that if Trae wasn't as fugly, he'd be ranked a lot higher. What separates him from Kyrie as a prospect?

His shot is a bit too slow for my taste (similar to how Lonzo's shot has been bothered quite a bit in the league), but if his shooting translates, this kid looks like an All-star level PG.


He's a weird looking kid, gotta admit that.


Not just the looks, he talks like a 15 year old kid. Somewhat lacks maturity in a sense.

Doesn't have the "it" factor when you see him and hear him talk.


I was being a little facetious with my comment but I just went and watched an interview....wow.

He seems like genuine kid but he might have some form of autism or maybe ADD, his speech patterns and mannerisms are very quirky.

Nothing against him at all though, seems like a really good kid. It'll be interesting to see how he deals with the press in the future.
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Post#206 » by GimmeDat » Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:57 am

After your comments I went out of my way to listen to an interview and tbh I think it might be as simple as having a lisp.
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Post#207 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:01 am

I don't think being one of the kids in Superbad should affect his draft stock.
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Post#208 » by Kolkmania » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:47 am

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Fischella wrote:Curry's release is clearly more versatile and higher though, Young does set his feet often and loses a bit of time there, Curry is just firing in the hole even if his legs are combed and he is shooting unbalanced


hard to say which release is higher. I went slow mo on his shot last night and he releases shot with his arm fully extended above his head - not straight up of course, but I'd say the point of release is about the same as curry. now, does curry get higher on his jump shot at times? possibly - that is almost impossible to say. but I don't think its a slam dunk that curry's shot is higher. probably quicker and more versatile has he's had several years in the league to figure those things out against better, bigger, longer defenders.


It's not really about the release point as in, is it blockable? Both releases are so quick and combined with their agility it is already extremely difficult. For what it is worth Trae Young jumps higher with his shot than Curry, not that jumping higher is better though.

It's the arch from the ball that matters, at times Young's shot is a bit too flat which makes the target smaller. After Young reaches his set point he flexes his elbow to produce enough power to bridge the massive distance between him and the basket. Curry's elbow flexion is paired with a simultaneously upward rotation from the shoulder, his shooting hand goes more up, if that makes sense.

Curry's timing between this upper body motion with his lower body motion ensures that he gives the ball enough force, that consistent harmonic movement between the two body parts is absolutely incredible.

That said, I feel that the lower arch thing is happening at a lower rate, it was really apparent to me at the beginning of the season. A month ago I said in this topic he had top 5 potential, I'm now wondering if that's too low.
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Post#209 » by SlowPaced » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:26 pm

GimmeDat wrote:After your comments I went out of my way to listen to an interview and tbh I think it might be as simple as having a lisp.


Agreed. Didn't sound all that unusual to me.
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Post#210 » by baldur » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:43 am

he is now the fifth selection on nbadraft.net. the thing is the vast majority of the bottom teams are already set for a pg. dallas, memphis, atlanta, sacramento, boston, 76ers, hornets have all their future pgs. only phoenix would pick him up i guess.
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Post#211 » by 916fan » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:52 am

baldur wrote:he is now the fifth selection on nbadraft.net. the thing is the vast majority of the bottom teams are already set for a pg. dallas, memphis, atlanta, sacramento, boston, 76ers, hornets have all their future pgs. only phoenix would pick him up i guess.

Chicago(depends on Dunn) and Orlando would definitely consider him too.
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Post#212 » by baldur » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:04 am

916fan wrote:
baldur wrote:he is now the fifth selection on nbadraft.net. the thing is the vast majority of the bottom teams are already set for a pg. dallas, memphis, atlanta, sacramento, boston, 76ers, hornets have all their future pgs. only phoenix would pick him up i guess.

Chicago(depends on Dunn) and Orlando would definitely consider him too.


i was going to include them but i dont think they will give up on their respective pgs.
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Post#213 » by GimmeDat » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:48 am

I'm completely happy with Dunn, but the way the Bulls are going we could be in a position where Young is the BPA, in which case, I guess you have to take him and make it work.

But personally, if we're in that range (I'd say 5-8), I would prefer to take Mikal Bridges if available, also perhaps Jackson Jr. . But the way Trae's going, I think you have to consider him just out of fear that you're passing up on a special talent.

Orlando I think jump all over Young if they can get to him - a lot of Magic fans either want to move on from Payton or have him as the backup. I also think Phoenix would take him, even though their back-court would be devoid of any defense.

Memphis might be a good fit destination as well depending on their direction, but if they're still intent on making it work with their current core, they might go for one of the few wings available in that mid lottery range.
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Post#214 » by Justwar » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:12 pm

If trae pans out, he needs to go somewhere he can be the man at immediately so he doesn't get the role player label. Not necessarily the best player but the guy in absolute control of the offense. Clippers, Dallas, spurs, I think he'd fit with the sixers, Orlando, twolves, and finally pacers.
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Post#215 » by doordoor123 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:29 pm

Justwar wrote:If trae pans out, he needs to go somewhere he can be the man at immediately so he doesn't get the role player label. Not necessarily the best player but the guy in absolute control of the offense. Clippers, Dallas, spurs, I think he'd fit with the sixers, Orlando, twolves, and finally pacers.


You mean like Isaiah Thomas? Thomas was a good sixth man before he became a starter, but before that the Kings didn’t trust him at all and played him behind Jimmer Fredette and Aaron Brooks. He was also a much lower pick than Young will be and he was drafted at a time where people were unsure if undersized guys were useful. Young could be fine as a back up or starter right away and if he’s good enough he can earn more minutes. With all the injuries nowadays it’s pretty much guaranteed back ups have an opportunity to get starting minutes. I mean yeah, personally I see him getting a starting role right away, but it isn’t the end of the world if he doesn’t get it right away. I have him pretty high.
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Post#216 » by Justwar » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:48 pm

Thomas was a much better athlete. If he was 6'1 he would be very very dominant even more so. Most of the time again it's a luck of the draw, a system can make or break you even if you are talented. Lots of really talented guys stuck on benches because they haven't been to a place to play there playstyle. If trae young ended up let's say Detroit I don't think he would be successful. Or spurs, or Minnesota even if they needed him.
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Post#217 » by doordoor123 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:49 pm

Justwar wrote:Thomas was a much better athlete. If he was 6'1 he would be very very dominant even more so. Most of the time again it's a luck of the draw, a system can make or break you even if you are talented. Lots of really talented guys stuck on benches because they haven't been to a place to play there playstyle. If trae young ended up let's say Detroit I don't think he would be successful. Or spurs, or Minnesota even if they needed him.


I wasn’t comparing him as an athlete, I was comparing him as an undersized scorer. Even then, Thomas is much more undersized. And no one who is good is stuck on the bench if they play well enough. You could say that about Terry Rozier, but by his next contract he will be a starter if he wants. Ish Smith got his minutes, Kris Dunn found a new team, etc. And now with small-ball there are teams using point guard for every wing position at certain points in a game.
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Post#218 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:34 pm

Using a rough top 10 draft order (- with current starting PG) who are the most likely teams to take Young?

Atlanta - Schroder
Sacramento - Fox
Chicago - Dunn
Orlando - Payton
Phoenix - Ulis
Cleveland - Thomas
Memphis - Conley
Dallas - Smith
Philadelphia - Simmons
Charlotte - Walker

I'd say Orlando and Phoenix are the standouts in terms of need but not sure in terms of BPA.
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Post#219 » by CelticSooner » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:12 am

Dude is so fun to watch. Team feeds off his confidence.
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Post#220 » by doordoor123 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:18 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Using a rough top 10 draft order (- with current starting PG) who are the most likely teams to take Young?

Atlanta - Schroder
Sacramento - Fox
Chicago - Dunn
Orlando - Payton
Phoenix - Ulis
Cleveland - Thomas
Memphis - Conley
Dallas - Smith
Philadelphia - Simmons
Charlotte - Walker

I'd say Orlando and Phoenix are the standouts in terms of need but not sure in terms of BPA.


You’re forgetting any one of those teams can decide to trade their player, like the Grizzlies with Conley and other teams can trade up/those teams can trade back.

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