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Post#201 » by Coeur » Fri Apr 5, 2019 1:55 am

clyde21 wrote:
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he's a Porzingis level talent. easily top 5. just a matter of what u said...how risk averse a GM is.

if Atlanta misses out on Zion but retain the Dallas pick, they'll have two picks in the top 10 presumably and I'd definitely use one of them to nab Bol if I were making the decision.

He’s not Porzingis level. KP tier is closer to Zion tier than bolbol tier


what made KP a better prospect?

So much more athletic. Kp projected as super athlete at pf. Bolbol is skilled but not even close to the level of athlete. You
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Post#202 » by Stillwater » Fri Apr 5, 2019 1:59 am

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Coeur wrote:He’s not Porzingis level. KP tier is closer to Zion tier than bolbol tier


what made KP a better prospect?

So much more athletic. Kp projected as super athlete at pf. Bolbol is skilled but not even close to the level of athlete. You

KP was athletic , isn't anymore. But he was never explosive athletic. Bol is however pretty un-athletic period. luckily he has a other worldly ws
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Post#203 » by clyde21 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 2:36 am

so at 7'2

running the court:
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elite secondary jumpS:
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that can do turnaround fadeaway Js like this:
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block shots like this:
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and put the ball and floor like this:
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and this guy is supposed to be a non-athlete? :lol:

real talk, if this guy was 3 or 4 inches shorter he'd be drawing comps to KD, and that's not being hyperbolic.
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Post#204 » by babyjax13 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 3:16 am

Call me crazy but I think he's a power forward, filling the role of say a Dragan Bender but with better shooting and shot blocking, but worse passing. What a better 'Bender' could be is a pretty interesting player.
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Post#205 » by MemphisX » Fri Apr 5, 2019 4:20 am

Still scares me. When I watch film of him, I really want to say he is probably the best prospect in this draft behind Zion. I have never seen a guy his size do some of the things he is doing. I can't speak for his background or his injury prognosis but damn I would be scared to draft him or pass on him. I keep going back and forth with him.
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Post#206 » by clyde21 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 6:07 am

MemphisX wrote:Still scares me. When I watch film of him, I really want to say he is probably the best prospect in this draft behind Zion. I have never seen a guy his size do some of the things he is doing. I can't speak for his background or his injury prognosis but damn I would be scared to draft him or pass on him. I keep going back and forth with him.


i have him 4th overall but this is so true :lol:
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Post#207 » by pcbothwel » Fri Apr 5, 2019 2:33 pm

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MemphisX wrote:Still scares me. When I watch film of him, I really want to say he is probably the best prospect in this draft behind Zion. I have never seen a guy his size do some of the things he is doing. I can't speak for his background or his injury prognosis but damn I would be scared to draft him or pass on him. I keep going back and forth with him.


i have him 4th overall but this is so true :lol:


Lol... looks like we are on the same page. i posted this on the Wiz board:
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Lol...
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You are SERIOUSLY underestimating his skill.
If his body was what you think it needs to be, he would be challenging Zion for the 1st pick. You dont get a guy outside the top 3 w/o some potential problems/weaknesses.
This is a gamble worth taking at 8.

You need to watch him carefully... feet and hands...elite...reminds me of Durant, Justin Patton, etc.


1:19 - Look at the feet/stance/length
1:48 - That turn around...so fluid
2:56 - Are you kidding me?!?.. Pump fake, step, spin, finish
3:53 - Stupid range
4:10 - Nice hook
4:24 - Lowers center of gravity to create passing lane. Turnround push/floater...
4:48 - ANOTHER NBA 3
4:55 - WATCH CAREFULLY. His is 4 feet inside the 3 in transition. He sees his guard driving. Look how agile he is in moving backwards to the 3 point line
5:23 - Perfect pass out to shooter in the pocket (Shot miss), but grabs rebound with left hand, moves to right and shoots... ZERO wasted movement or awkwardness
6:56 - NBA 3
7:01 - KEVIN Fning DURANT... ELITE
8:11 - RAAANNNGGGEEE
8:25 - one step pull up
8:44 - Agility, floater off the glass

2nd best prospect in the draft... HANDS DOWN
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Post#208 » by Coeur » Fri Apr 5, 2019 3:05 pm

How could Lakers not take him @10?


If Hawks have 2 picks they’ll have to take him right?


I know everyone thinks he is going to slide and some think into the 20 area. I think he goes 5-10. Kings at 14 seem like a natural landing spot for worst case.
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Post#209 » by Ruzious » Fri Apr 5, 2019 3:24 pm

clyde21 wrote:so at 7'2
Spoiler:
running the court:
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elite secondary jumpS:
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guarding the perimeter:
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that can do turnaround fadeaway Js like this:
Image

block shots like this:
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and put the ball and floor like this:
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and this guy is supposed to be a non-athlete? :lol:
real talk, if this guy was 3 or 4 inches shorter he'd be drawing comps to KD, and that's not being hyperbolic.

I'm usually not big on highlights, but... wow. He's a freakin phenom. Holy... it's not just underrated athleticism, he's also got the swag and aggression needed to excel in the NBA.
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Post#210 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 5, 2019 3:34 pm

Coeur wrote:How could Lakers not take him @10?


If Hawks have 2 picks they’ll have to take him right?


I know everyone thinks he is going to slide and some think into the 20 area. I think he goes 5-10. Kings at 14 seem like a natural landing spot for worst case.

They might, they might not. His size is the issue.

He will get looks with that 2nd 1st round pick. Jaxson Hayes is ahead of him right now.

Celtics get the Kings pick which could be a great match for Bol and Ainge
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Post#211 » by clyde21 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 3:44 pm

Ruzious wrote:
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clyde21 wrote:so at 7'2

running the court:
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elite secondary jumpS:
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guarding the perimeter:
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that can do turnaround fadeaway Js like this:
Image

block shots like this:
Image

and put the ball and floor like this:
Image

Image

and this guy is supposed to be a non-athlete? :lol:

real talk, if this guy was 3 or 4 inches shorter he'd be drawing comps to KD, and that's not being hyperbolic.

I'm usually not big on highlights, but... wow. He's a freakin phenom. Holy... it's not just underrated athleticism, he's also got the swag and aggression needed to excel in the NBA.


oh and btw...that's a guy that shot 52% from 3 and 76% from the line before he got injured.

people who are acting like this guy isn't an absolute ELITE prospect are fooling themselves. the only question marks with him are his frame, lack of strength and obvious injury risk, but if those weren't there, he'd be the #2 guy behind Zion bar none.
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Post#212 » by clyde21 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 3:47 pm

Coeur wrote:How could Lakers not take him @10?


If Hawks have 2 picks they’ll have to take him right?


I know everyone thinks he is going to slide and some think into the 20 area. I think he goes 5-10. Kings at 14 seem like a natural landing spot for worst case.


i doubt he drops outside the top 5 if he checks out healthy at the combine.

also the Celtics own the Kings' pick this year

i've been saying for a while that he should be Atlanta's target in the top 5 if they can't get Zion, and then they should take a wing with the Dallas pick. I like Culver/Hunter but they're just not on Bol's level as prospects even if they're safer picks.
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Post#213 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 5, 2019 4:10 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Coeur wrote:How could Lakers not take him @10?


If Hawks have 2 picks they’ll have to take him right?


I know everyone thinks he is going to slide and some think into the 20 area. I think he goes 5-10. Kings at 14 seem like a natural landing spot for worst case.


i doubt he drops outside the top 5 if he checks out healthy at the combine.

also the Celtics own the Kings' pick this year

i've been saying for a while that he should be Atlanta's target in the top 5 if they can't get Zion, and then they should take a wing with the Dallas pick. I like Culver/Hunter but they're just not on Bol's level as prospects even if they're safer picks.

I disagree all around for the Hawks. 100%.

Bol is not going to be in our top 5 prospects. Neither is Jarrett or Hunter. Its mainly the Duke three, trading Morant and maybe trading Garland is our top 5. Bol has a shot at being a pick of the Hawks but not in the top 5.
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Post#214 » by Coeur » Fri Apr 5, 2019 4:14 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
Coeur wrote:How could Lakers not take him @10?


If Hawks have 2 picks they’ll have to take him right?


I know everyone thinks he is going to slide and some think into the 20 area. I think he goes 5-10. Kings at 14 seem like a natural landing spot for worst case.


i doubt he drops outside the top 5 if he checks out healthy at the combine.

also the Celtics own the Kings' pick this year

i've been saying for a while that he should be Atlanta's target in the top 5 if they can't get Zion, and then they should take a wing with the Dallas pick. I like Culver/Hunter but they're just not on Bol's level as prospects even if they're safer picks.

I disagree all around for the Hawks. 100%.

Bol is not going to be in our top 5 prospects. Neither is Jarrett or Hunter. Its mainly the Duke three, trading Morant and maybe trading Garland is our top 5. Bol has a shot at being a pick of the Hawks but not in the top 5.

Trade Ja for what?

The jaxon Hayes over bolbol is ouch. It is a hawks kind of move though so I’d love to see it
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Post#215 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 5, 2019 4:21 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
i doubt he drops outside the top 5 if he checks out healthy at the combine.

also the Celtics own the Kings' pick this year

i've been saying for a while that he should be Atlanta's target in the top 5 if they can't get Zion, and then they should take a wing with the Dallas pick. I like Culver/Hunter but they're just not on Bol's level as prospects even if they're safer picks.

I disagree all around for the Hawks. 100%.

Bol is not going to be in our top 5 prospects. Neither is Jarrett or Hunter. Its mainly the Duke three, trading Morant and maybe trading Garland is our top 5. Bol has a shot at being a pick of the Hawks but not in the top 5.

Trade Ja for what?

The jaxon Hayes over bolbol is ouch. It is a hawks kind of move though so I’d love to see it

Like we traded Luka, for prime assets. Trading back several slots and a prime young player like WCJ, Mikal Bridges etc. Where the return is of value.

Hayes fits our system. We play an uptempo system based on PDS players on the perimeter and movement bigs who screen, block shots and can shoot threes and finish at the rim. We don't give a damn about mid range shots or post ups.

Our big board as I see it is:

1. Zion
2. Trade Ja
3. R.J.
4. Cam
5. Trade Garland
6t. Hunter
6t. Hayes
6t. Clarke
9t. Bol
9t. Fernando
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Post#216 » by Illmatic12 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 4:23 pm

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Post#217 » by clyde21 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 4:49 pm

King Ken wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Coeur wrote:How could Lakers not take him @10?


If Hawks have 2 picks they’ll have to take him right?


I know everyone thinks he is going to slide and some think into the 20 area. I think he goes 5-10. Kings at 14 seem like a natural landing spot for worst case.


i doubt he drops outside the top 5 if he checks out healthy at the combine.

also the Celtics own the Kings' pick this year

i've been saying for a while that he should be Atlanta's target in the top 5 if they can't get Zion, and then they should take a wing with the Dallas pick. I like Culver/Hunter but they're just not on Bol's level as prospects even if they're safer picks.

I disagree all around for the Hawks. 100%.

Bol is not going to be in our top 5 prospects. Neither is Jarrett or Hunter. Its mainly the Duke three, trading Morant and maybe trading Garland is our top 5. Bol has a shot at being a pick of the Hawks but not in the top 5.


i would understand RJ over Bol but Reddish? no way.
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Post#218 » by clyde21 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 4:51 pm

King Ken wrote:
Coeur wrote:
King Ken wrote:I disagree all around for the Hawks. 100%.

Bol is not going to be in our top 5 prospects. Neither is Jarrett or Hunter. Its mainly the Duke three, trading Morant and maybe trading Garland is our top 5. Bol has a shot at being a pick of the Hawks but not in the top 5.

Trade Ja for what?

The jaxon Hayes over bolbol is ouch. It is a hawks kind of move though so I’d love to see it

Like we traded Luka, for prime assets. Trading back several slots and a prime young player like WCJ, Mikal Bridges etc. Where the return is of value.

Hayes fits our system. We play an uptempo system based on PDS players on the perimeter and movement bigs who screen, block shots and can shoot threes and finish at the rim. We don't give a damn about mid range shots or post ups.

Our big board as I see it is:

1. Zion
2. Trade Ja
3. R.J.
4. Cam
5. Trade Garland
6t. Hunter
6t. Hayes
6t. Clarke
9t. Bol
9t. Fernando


is this about the best player or fit? if you're just higher on the players above Bol then it's fine, but numerous of them would be worse fits for Atlanta.
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Post#219 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 5, 2019 4:58 pm

clyde21 wrote:
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clyde21 wrote:
i doubt he drops outside the top 5 if he checks out healthy at the combine.

also the Celtics own the Kings' pick this year

i've been saying for a while that he should be Atlanta's target in the top 5 if they can't get Zion, and then they should take a wing with the Dallas pick. I like Culver/Hunter but they're just not on Bol's level as prospects even if they're safer picks.

I disagree all around for the Hawks. 100%.

Bol is not going to be in our top 5 prospects. Neither is Jarrett or Hunter. Its mainly the Duke three, trading Morant and maybe trading Garland is our top 5. Bol has a shot at being a pick of the Hawks but not in the top 5.


i would understand RJ over Bol but Reddish? no way.

Explain and consider the team you are talking about as well.
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Post#220 » by clyde21 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 4:59 pm

King Ken wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
King Ken wrote:I disagree all around for the Hawks. 100%.

Bol is not going to be in our top 5 prospects. Neither is Jarrett or Hunter. Its mainly the Duke three, trading Morant and maybe trading Garland is our top 5. Bol has a shot at being a pick of the Hawks but not in the top 5.


i would understand RJ over Bol but Reddish? no way.

Explain and consider the team you are talking about as well.


if it's Bol vs. Reddish then I don't need to consider the team. Reddish is just not close to Bol as a prospect where it would depend on fit.
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