Alperen Şengün

[Charm]

Sorry to say, but the only standards that matter are 3-point volume and 3-point percentage. In those areas, he's doing just fine for a frontcourt prospect who recently turned 19.

Bigger red flag for him is his free throw rate, which is incredibly low. On paper he should be the kind of player who draws fouls and finishes through contact, but he just doesn't. Even in his rare big-scoring games, pretty much all of his baskets (both from 3 and in the paint) are uncontested. Given that, I don't really see a pathway for him to average more than 10ppg in the NBA.

There is also the actual standard of watching him play a basketball game. He's a horrible shooter.

Yeah, I'm saying it doesn't matter how it looks, it matters whether or not it goes in.

[Charm]

Sorry to say, but the only standards that matter are 3-point volume and 3-point percentage. In those areas, he's doing just fine for a frontcourt prospect who recently turned 19.

Bigger red flag for him is his free throw rate, which is incredibly low. On paper he should be the kind of player who draws fouls and finishes through contact, but he just doesn't. Even in his rare big-scoring games, pretty much all of his baskets (both from 3 and in the paint) are uncontested. Given that, I don't really see a pathway for him to average more than 10ppg in the NBA.

There is also the actual standard of watching him play a basketball game. He's a horrible shooter.

hmm, interesting. Where do each of you rank him among the others in the 2021 draft class?

After last night's game, Tillman sure seems like an apt comparison. Tough, multi-positional defender who's a solid but not elite athlete. Will score some opportunistic buckets, including the occasional 3. Heady player who generally makes the right play and knows where to be on the court.

Considering Garuba's youth, I think his ceiling may be just a bit higher, but the team that drafts him will also have to be a little bit more patient.

[UcanUwill]

Efes swept Besiktas, but Alperen had a strong final game, 23 points 7 rebounds 5 assists, his team lost 66 - 96

[Charm]

Sengun: 92 assists, 84 turnovers, 44 steals in 954 minutes

Cunningham: 94 assists, 109 turnovers, 43 steals in 956 minutes

[Mirotic12]

Sengun: 92 assists, 84 turnovers, 44 steals in 954 minutes

Cunningham: 94 assists, 109 turnovers, 43 steals in 956 minutes

FIBA counts assists and steals differently than NCAA / NBA. The assists are counted more strictly by quite a bit, and the steals are counted much, much more strictly under FIBA rules.

Actually, even the turnovers are often counted differently, but I'm not sure if that really matters for comparison sake. But you can't compare the FIBA assists and steals, because there is too much difference in what the criteria is for them.

[DCasey91]

I think Sengun should go higher then Garuba imo. Garuba needs some time to develop properly even then it’s no guarantee, whereas with Sengun there’s translatable skills for sure.

Both look like 4’s/Small ball 5’s to me.

Bigger/More athletic Saric for Sengun? Can see that.

[Charm]

Sengun: 92 assists, 84 turnovers, 44 steals in 954 minutes

Cunningham: 94 assists, 109 turnovers, 43 steals in 956 minutes

FIBA counts assists and steals differently than NCAA / NBA. The assists are counted more strictly by quite a bit, and the steals are counted much, much more strictly under FIBA rules.

Actually, even the turnovers are often counted differently, but I'm not sure if that really matters for comparison sake. But you can't compare the FIBA assists and steals, because there is too much difference in what the criteria is for them.

For assists, I feel like the fact that they count assists on shooting fouls roughly makes up for the stricter counting. But anyway, my main point is that it's crazy how overlooked Sengun's playmaking is. Jokic is probably the only other center in basketball history who was as advanced as Sengun at age 18. But it's not even mentioned in a lot of scouting reports.

That one pass he made just after halftime in game 2 against Tofas was probably a top-5 pass I've seen by any prospect this year, at any position. No-look pass through traffic to the opposite corner, and right on target. Just ridiculous for an 18-year-old C to make that play. And he threw another one kinda like that today.

[UcanUwill]

I think Sengun should go higher then Garuba imo. Garuba needs some time to develop properly even then it’s no guarantee, whereas with Sengun there’s translatable skills for sure.

Both look like 4’s/Small ball 5’s to me.

Bigger/More athletic Saric for Sengun? Can see that.

Sengun must be first Euro picked easily, no contest here.

[DCasey91]

I think Sengun should go higher then Garuba imo. Garuba needs some time to develop properly even then it’s no guarantee, whereas with Sengun there’s translatable skills for sure.

Both look like 4’s/Small ball 5’s to me.

Bigger/More athletic Saric for Sengun? Can see that.

Sengun must be first Euro picked easily, no contest here.

Agreed, be interesting to see where he gets drafted 6-7 range is my bet.

[Charm]

It's sad that Garuba's going to be picked lower than Doumbouya was a couple years ago. Garuba's a better prospect in literally every way. But he's probably not a top-10 guy in a draft like this.

[Hal14]

I think Sengun should go higher then Garuba imo. Garuba needs some time to develop properly even then it’s no guarantee, whereas with Sengun there’s translatable skills for sure.

Both look like 4’s/Small ball 5’s to me.

Bigger/More athletic Saric for Sengun? Can see that.

Sengun must be first Euro picked easily, no contest here.

Agreed, be interesting to see where he gets drafted 6-7 range is my bet.

Most recent mocks I'm seeing have Sengun going in the 10-16 range..

[Ruzious]

It's sad that Garuba's going to be picked lower than Doumbouya was a couple years ago. Garuba's a better prospect in literally every way. But he's probably not a top-10 guy in a draft like this.

Is Garuba any better than Achiuwa - who went 20th last year?

[clyde21]

It's sad that Garuba's going to be picked lower than Doumbouya was a couple years ago. Garuba's a better prospect in literally every way. But he's probably not a top-10 guy in a draft like this.

Is Garuba any better than Achiuwa - who went 20th last year?

Garuba's younger with a clearer path to success imo, Achiuwa is kinda like a Jerami Grant tweener, still needs to develop some ball skills to be more effective around the perimeter, but also isn't a guy you want to play the 5 for long stretches either

i think Garuba is a legit 5 depending on who u have at the four, much better paint defender/rim protector than Achiuwa and not that far off in terms of defending in space and rotating, on offense I like his ball skills at the same age better, development curve for him seems to be quicker as well than Achiuwa.

Achiuwa should've probably went higher tho last yr...no way should guys like Nesmith and Jalen Smith should've gone ahead of him imo.

[EvanZ]

I dont really get the Garuba hype. It looks to me like he gets beat a lot but makes up for it with his length. I don't think he'll get away with that in the NBA. He's not that explosive either. And I don't see the appeal on offense at all.

[Charm]

It's sad that Garuba's going to be picked lower than Doumbouya was a couple years ago. Garuba's a better prospect in literally every way. But he's probably not a top-10 guy in a draft like this.

Is Garuba any better than Achiuwa - who went 20th last year?

Garuba's just far more polished than Achiuwa defensively. Achiuwa was/is a bundle of potential, but as a 21-year-old rookie, it was kind of a low-percentage thing that he'd live up to his potential. Garuba's been developing in the world-class Real Madrid system for nearly a decade, where they've honed him into an impressive defensive weapon. A few weeks ago they unleashed him in the Euroleague playoffs against Efes, which has (conservatively) the 31st-best offense in the world, and he made an enormous impact. As an NBA rookie, he'll immediately be a premier defensive stopper...think Isaac Okoro, if Okoro was actually big enough to be as good as advertised.

[Ruzious]

I dont really get the Garuba hype. It looks to me like he gets beat a lot but makes up for it with his length. I don't think he'll get away with that in the NBA. He's not that explosive either. And I don't see the appeal on offense at all.

It's that lack of explosiveness that surprised me - considering the hype. He's not going to be a great rebounder or shot-blocker, and he hasn't done much offensively. He's got strength and speed going for him, but I think he's got a long way to go before he becomes a rotation player in the NBA.

[SwipeDaFox]

I'm still getting DeMarcus Cousins vibes, kid got some boogie in him.

In a different era I'd have him picked top 3 easily. pound for pound in terms of skill he's that as well.

The problem is how his position and skills translate to today's game - and being as heavy defensively not being switchable that makes you a target, and adding the 3pt shot still under construction (Although that's the part I worry the least about, when you're this talented you figure it out usually) - I can't justify him going that high.

But I'd still have him top 10. He's just too gifted.

[NO-KG-AI]

He’s not the ideal fit with Zion, but boy if he’s on the board when we pick, it would be hard to pass him up IMO. Kid looks so good, and we just need talent in the worsr way.


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[greenandgold]

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I’ve seen enough. This is the best player in the 2021 draft. I think he’s going to make multiple All-Star teams and rack up $300 million in career earnings in the NBA (he’s starting young).

[EvanZ]

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I’ve seen enough.

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