Zach Edey, 7-4

[azcatz11]

Edey is going to be completely unplayable in the league. Whoever drafts him is an idiot.

I thought he would improve his fluidity but he hasn't. He is such a huge stiff. Apparently he is very arrogant also

[Big J]

Edey is going to be completely unplayable in the league. Whoever drafts him is an idiot.

I thought he would improve his fluidity but he hasn't. He is such a huge stiff. Apparently he is very arrogant also

I've met him, he's a huge douche. The guy told me he thought of himself as a top 5 pick.

[clyde21]

11+ pages for a guy that will cap at 10 mpg in the NBA

What are we doing here?

[Big J]

11+ pages for a guy that will cap at 10 mpg in the NBA

What are we doing here?

Wait till you see the Bronny thread bro.

[BlazersBroncos]

11+ pages for a guy that will cap at 10 mpg in the NBA

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Wait till you see the Bronny thread bro.

I’m buying Edey stock way before I buy on Bronny.

Edey has a chance to be a bit guy. LBJ is gonna find a way to play with his kid and get him like 12-15mpg and it’s going to be wildly embarrassing. It’s not fair for the youngster. He isn’t a NBA talent at all. Bron is going to ruin this kids life with how badly this will go.

[JRoy]

11+ pages for a guy that will cap at 10 mpg in the NBA

What are we doing here?

Wait till you see the Bronny thread bro.

I’m buying Edey stock way before I buy on Bronny.

Edey has a chance to be a bit guy. LBJ is gonna find a way to play with his kid and get him like 12-15mpg and it’s going to be wildly embarrassing. It’s not fair for the youngster. He isn’t a NBA talent at all. Bron is going to ruin this kids life with how badly this will go.

I want POR to draft Edey. Otherwise he will end up having a productive career in DAL.

Don’t know who we should take with our first FRP but he should be the second FRP.

[JMAC3]

The Problem with Edey is 3 pts is more than 2 pts. Any team with a halfway decent stretch big will play him off the floor immediately. That even assumes he is halfway decent on offense, which we don't know to be true.

Purdue has lost in first round of the NCAA Tourney 2/3 years with him. They lost to a 15 seed the year they got out of the first round. Dominate force in college where teams just don't shoot it well enough but NBA is just too skilled.

[TheSuzerain]

The Problem with Edey is 3 pts is more than 2 pts. Any team with a halfway decent stretch big will play him off the floor immediately. That even assumes he is halfway decent on offense, which we don't know to be true.

Purdue has lost in first round of the NCAA Tourney 2/3 years with him. They lost to a 15 seed the year they got out of the first round. Dominate force in college where teams just don't shoot it well enough but NBA is just too skilled.

This is detached from the realities of efficiency in the NBA.

The above the break 3 is currently one of the worst offensive outcomes in the league.

[JMAC3]

The Problem with Edey is 3 pts is more than 2 pts. Any team with a halfway decent stretch big will play him off the floor immediately. That even assumes he is halfway decent on offense, which we don't know to be true.

Purdue has lost in first round of the NCAA Tourney 2/3 years with him. They lost to a 15 seed the year they got out of the first round. Dominate force in college where teams just don't shoot it well enough but NBA is just too skilled.

This is detached from the realities of efficiency in the NBA.

The above the break 3 is currently one of the worst offensive outcomes in the league.

So your argument is to draft a big guy and post him up? You think that is efficient in todays NBA? lol

[TheSuzerain]

The Problem with Edey is 3 pts is more than 2 pts. Any team with a halfway decent stretch big will play him off the floor immediately. That even assumes he is halfway decent on offense, which we don't know to be true.

Purdue has lost in first round of the NCAA Tourney 2/3 years with him. They lost to a 15 seed the year they got out of the first round. Dominate force in college where teams just don't shoot it well enough but NBA is just too skilled.

This is detached from the realities of efficiency in the NBA.

The above the break 3 is currently one of the worst offensive outcomes in the league.

So your argument is to draft a big guy and post him up? You think that is efficient in todays NBA? lol

No, my argument is that "3pts > 2pts" is a crummy argument detached from reality.

[JMAC3]

This is detached from the realities of efficiency in the NBA.

The above the break 3 is currently one of the worst offensive outcomes in the league.

So your argument is to draft a big guy and post him up? You think that is efficient in todays NBA? lol

No, my argument is that "3pts > 2pts" is a crummy argument detached from reality.

I guess you can have that opinion, but 3pt shooting is probably the thing that swings majority of NBA games right now.
If as a team you shoot the 3 well its very difficult to defend, if you don't you are pretty easy to defend.

[ItsDanger]

There's a reason Edey gets triple teamed sometimes, in single coverage he scores at a higher rate. PPP data indicates low paint is similar to corner 3s for offensive efficiency. However 3 pt shooting efficiency has a higher beta.

[BigGargamel]

11+ pages for a guy that will cap at 10 mpg in the NBA

What are we doing here?

You can make an argument that Edey has been the most dominant four year college basketball player of the past 20 years. Of course he is going to be talked about.

I personally want to see him carve out a role in the NBA. I don't know if it will happen, but I'm interested to see how his journey unfolds.

[JMAC3]

11+ pages for a guy that will cap at 10 mpg in the NBA

What are we doing here?

You can make an argument that Edey has been the most dominant four year college basketball player of the past 20 years. Of course he is going to be talked about.

I personally want to see him carve out a role in the NBA. I don't know if it will happen, but I'm interested to see how his journey unfolds.

Best guess for what happens? The Wizards just shock everyone and take him like 5th and he ends up being awful.

[King Ken]

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This is a unique kid. He didn't pass the pre-requisite measures on my impact chart and automatically moved from a per36 to per10 player. He's a damn good per10 prospect but automatically, they go to late 1st, 2nd round as they are seen as backups at best.

That said, watching his game tape and studying his movement, pace, and feel. I can say, he might be the one kid who can overcome this and be a per36 guy in the right system.

His per36 metrics are elite. His impact chart has his potential at 25 wins offensively and 0 defensively but at per36, 45 wins offensively and 0 defensively and that's without hitting his swing skill which is shooting. Many teams do not play his style offensively. The teams who he would most fit is Atlanta, Dallas, and LAC due to the Harden's (Luka - Big Harden, James - Harden, Trae - Baby Harden) style heliocentric PGs. Atlanta with Trae is his best fit as Trae needs a center the most of the 3 due to his size and his use of the 5 as an extension of himself. The other two do not do that.

If you put him anywhere else, his per36 projections instantly go down to 17-19ppg which is still good but if he's not a per36, it's just solid. He's a superior prospect to Luka Garza and Oscar T due to Zach being a terrific drop defender who's excellent at rim and paint protection but he's a negative defender in space, defensive pace, and switching which is critical for today's centers. That's unless you are Brook Lopez, Clint Capela, and Rudy Gobert and even they switch and defend in space better right now plus they have ample defensive value by being NBA vets and knowing the ins and outs.

I can truly see him being an excellent backup like Brandon Clarke for Memphis but instead of 20mpg, 12-14mpg. Atlanta may be the only team I can see him keeping his 27ppg per36 which makes him the most impactful player in this draft offensively.

So my take is that Edey will likely be a good rotational backup big, think Hartenstein. But if he ends up in Atlanta, I think he's a future MVP candidate.

[babyjax13]

11+ pages for a guy that will cap at 10 mpg in the NBA

What are we doing here?

This is a unique kid. He didn't pass the pre-requisite measures on my impact chart and automatically moved from a per36 to per10 player. He's a damn good per10 prospect but automatically, they go to late 1st, 2nd round as they are seen as backups at best.

That said, watching his game tape and studying his movement, pace, and feel. I can say, he might be the one kid who can overcome this and be a per36 guy in the right system.

His per36 metrics are elite. His impact chart has his potential at 25 wins offensively and 0 defensively but at per36, 45 wins offensively and 0 defensively and that's without hitting his swing skill which is shooting. Many teams do not play his style offensively. The teams who he would most fit is Atlanta, Dallas, and LAC due to the Harden's (Luka - Big Harden, James - Harden, Trae - Baby Harden) style heliocentric PGs. Atlanta with Trae is his best fit as Trae needs a center the most of the 3 due to his size and his use of the 5 as an extension of himself. The other two do not do that.

If you put him anywhere else, his per36 projections instantly go down to 17-19ppg which is still good but if he's not a per36, it's just solid. He's a superior prospect to Luka Garza and Oscar T due to Zach being a terrific drop defender who's excellent at rim and paint protection but he's a negative defender in space, defensive pace, and switching which is critical for today's centers. That's unless you are Brook Lopez, Clint Capela, and Rudy Gobert and even they switch and defend in space better right now plus they have ample defensive value by being NBA vets and knowing the ins and outs.

I can truly see him being an excellent backup like Brandon Clarke for Memphis but instead of 20mpg, 12-14mpg. Atlanta may be the only team I can see him keeping his 27ppg per36 which makes him the most impactful player in this draft offensively.

So my take is that Edey will likely be a good rotational backup big, think Hartenstein. But if he ends up in Atlanta, I think he's a future MVP candidate.

If he is a future MVP candidate he's a future all-star caliber player regardless of context. Context matters a lot (e.g., see Lauri Markkenen), but not so much that a guy goes from backup to MVP purely because of what team they are on (unless they were the backup for another MVP caliber player, but even then, you should still see those flashes).

[King Ken]

11+ pages for a guy that will cap at 10 mpg in the NBA

What are we doing here?

This is a unique kid. He didn't pass the pre-requisite measures on my impact chart and automatically moved from a per36 to per10 player. He's a damn good per10 prospect but automatically, they go to late 1st, 2nd round as they are seen as backups at best.

That said, watching his game tape and studying his movement, pace, and feel. I can say, he might be the one kid who can overcome this and be a per36 guy in the right system.

His per36 metrics are elite. His impact chart has his potential at 25 wins offensively and 0 defensively but at per36, 45 wins offensively and 0 defensively and that's without hitting his swing skill which is shooting. Many teams do not play his style offensively. The teams who he would most fit is Atlanta, Dallas, and LAC due to the Harden's (Luka - Big Harden, James - Harden, Trae - Baby Harden) style heliocentric PGs. Atlanta with Trae is his best fit as Trae needs a center the most of the 3 due to his size and his use of the 5 as an extension of himself. The other two do not do that.

If you put him anywhere else, his per36 projections instantly go down to 17-19ppg which is still good but if he's not a per36, it's just solid. He's a superior prospect to Luka Garza and Oscar T due to Zach being a terrific drop defender who's excellent at rim and paint protection but he's a negative defender in space, defensive pace, and switching which is critical for today's centers. That's unless you are Brook Lopez, Clint Capela, and Rudy Gobert and even they switch and defend in space better right now plus they have ample defensive value by being NBA vets and knowing the ins and outs.

I can truly see him being an excellent backup like Brandon Clarke for Memphis but instead of 20mpg, 12-14mpg. Atlanta may be the only team I can see him keeping his 27ppg per36 which makes him the most impactful player in this draft offensively.

So my take is that Edey will likely be a good rotational backup big, think Hartenstein. But if he ends up in Atlanta, I think he's a future MVP candidate.

If he is a future MVP candidate he's a future all-star caliber player regardless of context. Context matters a lot (e.g., see Lauri Markkenen), but not so much that a guy goes from backup to MVP purely because of what team they are on (unless they were the backup for another MVP caliber player, but even then, you should still see those flashes).

The change of the game has made his range massive in terms of outcomes. Most teams use centers today, defensively as a priority. Defense>Offense from centers unless you are elite. The type of center Edey is really isn't used heavily like that. Even Brook Lopez who was a 20ppg and even per36 peaked at 25ppg had to change up his game. Only a handful of teams run everything through their center and only a couple get more production offensively out of them than they had in college. Atlanta since Trae Young is one of them and it makes sense why.

[babyjax13]

This is a unique kid. He didn't pass the pre-requisite measures on my impact chart and automatically moved from a per36 to per10 player. He's a damn good per10 prospect but automatically, they go to late 1st, 2nd round as they are seen as backups at best.

That said, watching his game tape and studying his movement, pace, and feel. I can say, he might be the one kid who can overcome this and be a per36 guy in the right system.

His per36 metrics are elite. His impact chart has his potential at 25 wins offensively and 0 defensively but at per36, 45 wins offensively and 0 defensively and that's without hitting his swing skill which is shooting. Many teams do not play his style offensively. The teams who he would most fit is Atlanta, Dallas, and LAC due to the Harden's (Luka - Big Harden, James - Harden, Trae - Baby Harden) style heliocentric PGs. Atlanta with Trae is his best fit as Trae needs a center the most of the 3 due to his size and his use of the 5 as an extension of himself. The other two do not do that.

If you put him anywhere else, his per36 projections instantly go down to 17-19ppg which is still good but if he's not a per36, it's just solid. He's a superior prospect to Luka Garza and Oscar T due to Zach being a terrific drop defender who's excellent at rim and paint protection but he's a negative defender in space, defensive pace, and switching which is critical for today's centers. That's unless you are Brook Lopez, Clint Capela, and Rudy Gobert and even they switch and defend in space better right now plus they have ample defensive value by being NBA vets and knowing the ins and outs.

I can truly see him being an excellent backup like Brandon Clarke for Memphis but instead of 20mpg, 12-14mpg. Atlanta may be the only team I can see him keeping his 27ppg per36 which makes him the most impactful player in this draft offensively.

So my take is that Edey will likely be a good rotational backup big, think Hartenstein. But if he ends up in Atlanta, I think he's a future MVP candidate.

If he is a future MVP candidate he's a future all-star caliber player regardless of context. Context matters a lot (e.g., see Lauri Markkenen), but not so much that a guy goes from backup to MVP purely because of what team they are on (unless they were the backup for another MVP caliber player, but even then, you should still see those flashes).

The change of the game has made his range massive in terms of outcomes. Most teams use centers today, defensively as a priority. Defense>Offense from centers unless you are elite. The type of center Edey is really isn't used heavily like that. Even Brook Lopez who was a 20ppg and even per36 peaked at 25ppg had to change up his game. Only a handful of teams run everything through their center and only a couple get more production offensively out of them than they had in college. Atlanta since Trae Young is one of them and it makes sense why.

Lopez is more impactful now than he was then because he changed his game. I don't think anyone is arguing that Edey can't put up some empty offensive stats - Boban can, too.

[King Ken]

If he is a future MVP candidate he's a future all-star caliber player regardless of context. Context matters a lot (e.g., see Lauri Markkenen), but not so much that a guy goes from backup to MVP purely because of what team they are on (unless they were the backup for another MVP caliber player, but even then, you should still see those flashes).

The change of the game has made his range massive in terms of outcomes. Most teams use centers today, defensively as a priority. Defense>Offense from centers unless you are elite. The type of center Edey is really isn't used heavily like that. Even Brook Lopez who was a 20ppg and even per36 peaked at 25ppg had to change up his game. Only a handful of teams run everything through their center and only a couple get more production offensively out of them than they had in college. Atlanta since Trae Young is one of them and it makes sense why.

Lopez is more impactful now than he was then because he changed his game. I don't think anyone is arguing that Edey can't put up some empty offensive stats - Boban can, too.

He's an NBA vet so he knows the game in and out but that's partially due to Giannis. He wasn't anywhere near this good defensively in Brooklyn. Giannis makes life a lot easier for anyone defensively.

They wouldn't be empty stats even in limited minutes. You are talking about a massive gap in talent, ability, and feel when you bring someone like Boban into the convo. Boban is ass. He's not even a gadget player.

[babyjax13]

The change of the game has made his range massive in terms of outcomes. Most teams use centers today, defensively as a priority. Defense>Offense from centers unless you are elite. The type of center Edey is really isn't used heavily like that. Even Brook Lopez who was a 20ppg and even per36 peaked at 25ppg had to change up his game. Only a handful of teams run everything through their center and only a couple get more production offensively out of them than they had in college. Atlanta since Trae Young is one of them and it makes sense why.

Lopez is more impactful now than he was then because he changed his game. I don't think anyone is arguing that Edey can't put up some empty offensive stats - Boban can, too.

He's an NBA vet so he knows the game in and out but that's partially due to Giannis. He wasn't anywhere near this good defensively in Brooklyn. Giannis makes life a lot easier for anyone defensively.

They wouldn't be empty stats even in limited minutes. You are talking about a massive gap in talent, ability, and feel when you bring someone like Boban into the convo. Boban is ass. He's not even a gadget player.

I guess I am confused about how Edey could be an MVP caliber player in one system, but a 15 minute a game player in another. Either he's an MVP caliber player or he's not - I can certainly buy "he'd be more effective here", we see that all the time - but you are talking about a guy being a top 5 talent and teams not choosing to adapt their systems to him?