2023 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

i wish the Thompson twins went GL instead of OE, Jean Montero got lost in the shuffle at OE, no one really saw him play and the competition is hit and miss.

[SelfishPlayer]

The future of college basketball is one decoupled from acquiring elite pro basketball prospects. Prospects will begin to look at attending college the same way they already look at returning to college for another season. They will only do it if they aren't good enough for the pros. The G League is pro basketball. Lebron, Giannis, Joker, Luka never played college basketball and are the best in the world.

[The Moose]

Cam Whitmore skyrocketing up boards

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Whitmore and Amen are the 2 that stand out the most to me at the moment outside of the obvious Wemby/Scoot

[Hoopz Afrik]

Cam Whitmore skyrocketing up boards

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Yessir. As he should. Outside of Wembanyama and Scoot, he's 3rd on my (early) board.

[tundraknight]

I wonder what a good NBA player comparison for Cam Whitmore would be.

Perhaps a mix of Miles Bridges and OG Anunoby? If he’s more of a combo forward.

[clyde21]

not scratching the itch to put DWH #1

yet

[zimpy27]

Can Wemby stay atop the draft from now?

I think he's more likely to slip than stay top.

[Duke4life831]

not scratching the itch to put DWH #1

yet

The more I watched him the less and less flaws about his game I can find. Shot the 3 much better this past year. Good size, good athleticism, plays defense, scores from all 3 levels and is a willing passer. Really the only thing that is preventing me to put him on the Scoot tier is Im waiting to see how he shoots his FTs. Shot just 60% this past year. So Im waiting to see if he gets that up to at least in the 70s and if that happens I will have more faith that his jumper is real.

[CptCrunch]

Initial hugely overrated list:

Wembanyama - puts up 7.5/4.2 REB/1.8 BLK on bad efficiency. Projection purely based on ceiling. Luka was MVP at 19, so Wemby better carry his team next year or this ain't happening.

Thompson twins - putting up 16 ppg in OTE (aka high school-lite) on bad shooting while being a whole year older than the average one and done freshman. Also both of them are 60-something percent shooters from FT. Pre-OTE they were high 4 star recruits/low 5 star recruits (~30 rank on all services). Kids like these rarely become top picks from this type of ranking. There is a massive cloud of potentially fake media circulating around fluffing them up from OTE paid Youtube video to Givony's likely paid for shameless hype articles. Additionally, there is definately some information asymmetry going on with the Thompson twins. There is no way in hell both of them are about the same level of good. All the recruiting services and mock drafts basically have them at the same rank. This just shows that no one has critically evaluated them and tried to substantially differentiate them.

[DOT]

I may be incredibly biased, but Jordan Hawkins is primed to take the same leap Bouknight did two years ago

He looks better than the stats say, for the most part. Still a lot of unforced errors, but he's a young kid, that's to be expected

With both RJ Cole and Tyrese Martin gone, he'll have plenty of opportunities to step up and take a bigger role, though we are bringing in some pretty talented older guards who he'll need to outwork

I don't think Adama Sanogo or Andre Jackson will declare for the draft this year, but they both have some intrigue as prospects. Sanogo is very cognizant of his flaws, being that as an undersized C he has to be able to guard perimeter players and shoot, so he's apparently working on that. He wants to model his game after Horford, but he may just not be mobile enough to make it work. Jackson has the most potential, he's super athletic, 6-6, great defender, with some PG ability, and Dan Hurley has said we're gonna be using him as the primary ball handler a lot more this year

I usually stay away from the top picks until the end though. Don't want to get my hopes up about the Knicks drafting someone exciting for once or actually doing anything positive.

[FrightCoward]

Initial hugely overrated list:

Wembanyama - puts up 7.5/4.2 REB/1.8 BLK on bad efficiency. Projection purely based on ceiling. Luka was MVP at 19, so Wemby better carry his team next year or this ain't happening.

Thompson twins - putting up 16 ppg in OTE (aka high school-lite) on bad shooting while being a whole year older than the average one and done freshman. Also both of them are 60-something percent shooters from FT. Pre-OTE they were high 4 star recruits/low 5 star recruits (~30 rank on all services). Kids like these rarely become top picks from this type of ranking. There is a massive cloud of potentially fake media circulating around fluffing them up from OTE paid Youtube video to Givony's likely paid for shameless hype articles. Additionally, there is definately some information asymmetry going on with the Thompson twins. There is no way in hell both of them are about the same level of good. All the recruiting services and mock drafts basically have them at the same rank. This just shows that no one has critically evaluated them and tried to substantially differentiate them.

The big thing that doesn’t get mentioned with Victor as well is his injuries. Already had some injury issues previously and at his height, and still growing, historically the odds aren’t in his favor he’ll ever be consistently healthy at that height. Doesn’t matter how good you are if you’re not available.

[tundraknight]

Besides Wembanyama, is this going to be another weak international draft class overall?

[The-Power]

Besides Wembanyama, is this going to be another weak international international draft class overall?

Too early to tell.

[The Moose]

Wake up wake up, it's time for the 2023 thread.

Can someone tell me about the Thompson twins? What makes them good?

They got de-ranked for turning 'pro' in Overtime Elite. Overtime Elite just pooped some goose eggs last night with both of their prospect going undrafted. With NCAA allowing for NIL, I have a difficult time imagining their salary being competitive.

As far as I can tell, the Thompson twins were ranked 30 and 31 on 247 Composite before singing. They are also ESPN 90 score, which is around a rank 20-25 kind of score in most years.

Why are people blowing up up their ass calling them top 10 picks? 20-30 ranked high school kids usually don't get drafted as OAD, or don't have a solid path to a high lotto pick (unlike top 5 ranked players).

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Most detailed breakdown/clips I have found of each of the twins is in this piece.
The twins have pretty different games, the biggest links between them are 99th+ percentile functional athleticism and inconsistent shooting

[clyde21]

Besides Wembanyama, is this going to be another weak international draft class overall?

Wemby right now is it for the international class

I love Buzelis if he reclasses, but doesn't really qualify as international since he's developed in the states.

Rayan Rupert looks intriguing, taking the Ousmane Dieng route and playing in Australia.

Baba Miller is another but coming to play in Gonzaga this year.

James Nnaji, Nikola Durisic other names being thrown around.

some other known names that haven't declared the last couple of years like Prkacin, Badji, Hukporti but at this point the shine has worn off on them for the most part.

but as Power said still too early.

[clyde21]

a lot can change this season but i like this class way better than 22 tho, both at the top and the depth.

[Big J]

a lot can change this season but i like this class way better than 22 tho, both at the top and the depth.

Well yea, 22 was trash.

[jman3134]

I disagree on the 2022 class. I think there will be some winner international prospects, though they may not be who everyone is expecting (2nd round). I like Besson, Santos, Procida, and the bigs. I also think Montero has a chance to latch on despite going undrafted.

[clyde21]

I disagree on the 2022 class. I think there will be some winner international prospects, though they may not be who everyone is expecting (2nd round). I like Besson, Santos, Procida, and the bigs. I also think Montero has a chance to latch on despite going undrafted.

i was talking about the class in general, not international...if we're just talking about internationals i think it's too early to tell if 23 is better. Wemby obv gives the edge to 23 alone at this point.

i do like Daniels, Dieng and Jovic tho.

[jman3134]

I think that's fair. It is super early. I think the 2023 international class is going to be a bit better, but a lot of the '22 guys withdrew in '21, which to me was the weak International class (unless you include internationals in the NCAA). I was moreso responding to the poster before me that I thought was saying this int'l class was "trash". I guess both of you were referring to the overall class.