2023 Combine thread

[HiDef]

Lundy 8/11 from 3 in 2 games per Givony. Looks like the real deal. The length is totally outclassing a guy like Colby Jones too. What's the hold up? Is it cause he walks like a crab?

[jman3134]

From the Big East Tournament:

Olivier-Maxence Prosper, Marquette – Maxence Prosper, or “OMax”, as they call him, had an outstanding Big East Tournament, where his strengths and potential growth areas were on full display. At this stage, OMax is an energy big with quick feet and excellent potential in the P&R game. In the first contest against St. John’s, in particular, OMax was able to leak ahead of the defense and make some high flying plays at the rim. He possesses excellent long speed and is able to change directions relatively quickly on both ends. This makes him a viable threat in the P&R, where he can turn and rim run for easy layups or leak out on the perimeter. He is a plus athlete with a really intriguing physical profile for the next level.

https://jtmbasketball.blogspot.com/2023/03/limited-buzz-for-big-east-poy-tyler.html

OMax definitely fits the mold for a lot of teams due to his switch-ability defensively. This is also a reason I believe that Grant Nelson is an underrated prospect who could sneak into the 1st round if teams are paying attention. All season, he has flashed his incredible agility, and this spells well for switching in the NBA. Very few players that size move that well. Simple as that. You can see it on film or in drills.

[babyjax13]

Lundy 8/11 from 3 in 2 games per Givony. Looks like the real deal. The length is totally outclassing a guy like Colby Jones too. What's the hold up? Is it cause he walks like a crab?

Jones didn't scrimmage, and I have him pretty far ahead of Lundy despite the really good showing. I think Lundy is solidly a second round pick if he wants to be drafted rather than UDFA. Could see him with that length and stroke being very good. Jones has more ball handling and I think will be a solid defender. Reminds me a ton of Kenrich Williams when he was in New Orleans, but with a bit more shooting. I think he is going to be a really nice bench player long-term: late first/early second. I was hoping he would show a bit more, but in watching him a few times I'm just getting a solid role player out of him.

[HiDef]

Lundy 8/11 from 3 in 2 games per Givony. Looks like the real deal. The length is totally outclassing a guy like Colby Jones too. What's the hold up? Is it cause he walks like a crab?

Jones didn't scrimmage, and I have him pretty far ahead of Lundy despite the really good showing. I think Lundy is solidly a second round pick if he wants to be drafted rather than UDFA. Could see him with that length and stroke being very good. Jones has more ball handling and I think will be a solid defender. Reminds me a ton of Kenrich Williams when he was in New Orleans, but with a bit more shooting. I think he is going to be a really nice bench player long-term: late first/early second. I was hoping he would show a bit more, but in watching him a few times I'm just getting a solid role player out of him.

Yeah I see where you're coming from. I'm still high on Colby Jones the same way. Love his athleticism, defense, the shot is pure, just a hell of a wing prospect.

Just trying to figure out if there's something I'm missing with Lundy. Adam Spinella for example has him something like #110, buried under Flagler, Nolley and Hodge. That feels way off base. He has some defensive limits but I think there's a real shot for him to be a solid starting 2-guard in the NBA, if nothing else a really nice bench piece.

Suppose clearly scouts are interested in him if he's at the combine, but I'm surprised not to see him pop up much outside a few posts here and there on this forum

[babyjax13]

Game 2 power ranking (again, FWIW)
Bold = I like them in the 2nd round, italics = should be considered in the 2nd round

Clearly helped their stock
1. Brandin Podziemski (made some nice passes, dribble is a bit high, obviously a good shooter, some fun stuff in the paint/midrange but not at the rim e.g. some patented Joe Ingles 10 foot floaters)
2. Ben Sheppard (stroke is pure, looked to have plus athletecism and length among the players in the scrimmage)
3. Tristan Vukcevic (dominated offensively, obviously, but also hustled well --- athletically looked good in a straight line and below-average but not abysmal laterally, shot looks improved from last year; a bit selfish)
4. Coleman Hawkins (looked really mobile, defended well and clearly multipositionally, made some nice passes)

*Maybe* helped their stock
5. Ricky Council (looked like a plus athlete and was able to blow by the first guy, extremely disruptive defensively, did not play much and paint was crowded)
6. Jordan Miller (didn't stick out except by being a part of every play succeeding while he was on the court, ball didn't stick, hit open shots, could handle a bit ... but nothing spectacular)
7. Tosan Evbuomwan (admittedly had no idea who he was, moved really well defensively, some very nice passes in the high post, hands looked a bit bad ... no idea what to do with him; absolutely worked Johnni Broome...shot looks like it could develop)\
8. Mojave King (looked very athletic and mobile)
9. Dillon Jones (a bit slow but had a reasonably good handle and got to the line several times anyway, reminded me a bit of Rayjon Tucker in that way, disruptive defensively)
10. Judah Mintz (had some nice reads, didn't look super athletic, didn't force anything)


Didn't help/hurt their stock:
11. Da'Ron Holmes (athletic, but didn't play much)
12. Ryan Kalbrenner (showed some nice touch, a little slow, huge ... didn't play much, got blown by but I think he can recover when that happens a reasonable amount)
13. Emoni Bates (kind of a mess defensively, but took okay shots and actually passed the ball - nothing creative, but made some obvious passes even though they didn't result in assists --- had one nice read on the break that resulted in freethrows for Kalbrenner, and another to Wilson that got blocked, clearly told his passing needed to develop)
14. Grant Nelson (nice stroke, got to the rim on a nice drive but didn't finish, didn't look horrid defensively)
15. Adam Flagler (just played the role he will in the NBA, took open shots, ball didn't stick --- probably not getting drafted)
16. Arthur Kaluma (didn't play a ton, was a little out of control at times on offense but had a nice block)
17. Jalen Wilson (looked a bit slow, drew some fouls, took the right shots on offense and attacked when he should but just looked slow)
18. Toumani Kamara (just didn't play much and didn't stand out good or bad)
19. Johnni Broome (these mid- bigs who were good in college show well in this environment but I'm not convinced we are seeing anything better than a third-stringer, if that...pretty bad defensively other than rebounding)

Hurt their stock:
20. Mike Miles (took some late shots, didn't create a ton of seperation, had a few plays where he put guys on his back and was able to navigate the defense)
21. Sir'Jabari Rice (had some nice pumpfakes, but so athletically limited, had a horrible missed layup that was clearly a dunk attempt)
22. Jalen Pickett (moves really weird, struggled with ball pressure from guards, got several assists and shot a good percentage but very much felt like the random old guy at the gym who hits a bunch of shots he shouldn't and no one quite knows how to defend because he moves so awkwardly)

[EvanZ]

Lundy 8/11 from 3 in 2 games per Givony. Looks like the real deal. The length is totally outclassing a guy like Colby Jones too. What's the hold up? Is it cause he walks like a crab?

4 year guy who never did anything other than shoot? Not a super athlete. It’s just tough to put too much stock into guys like this who are basically one-dimensional shooters and not necessarily proven at that. To be fair I’m not a huge fan of Colby Jones either.


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[Hal14]

Lundy could end up being a Max Strus type of guy. A Joe Harris type, Sam hauser, Kyle Korver, Bogdan Bogdanovic. Pat Connaughton, Duncan Robinson, etc..

Plenty of guys who just hit 3's and can hold their own on D. Solid role players off the bench. And eventually, as they keep developing if they can add more to their game than that, you have yourself a decent 4th/5th starter.

[ItsDanger]

Lundy is a role player, C&S shoot guy with some movement, kind of limited otherwise. Of course, very good 3 pt shooters will attract attention at these things because they can show that off easily.

[BlazersBroncos]

Grant Nelson has a ton in common with Zach Collins as a prospect - both really good movers for their size. He doesnt have the range of Zach, or the allure of being a 1-and-done 3/D big (Why Zach went lotto) but I can see appeal w/ Nelson in the 31-40 range as a mobile, switchy big who can finish above the rim on PNR but has range limitations offensively.

Suprisingly well build as well at 224lbs. Thought he would be more like 215. Max vert 35.5 is pretty solid at his H/W as well.

Wouldnt surprise me to see one of the 'double late FRP' teams taking Nelson - IND + BRK.

[EvanZ]

Lundy could end up being a Max Strus type of guy. A Joe Harris type, Sam hauser, Kyle Korver, Bogdan Bogdanovic. Pat Connaughton, Duncan Robinson, etc..

Plenty of guys who just hit 3's and can hold their own on D. Solid role players off the bench. And eventually, as they keep developing if they can add more to their game than that, you have yourself a decent 4th/5th starter.

Anybody could be anybody, including guys who cant make it out of the GL and end up in Europe or China. Go watch any GL game and you’ll see Seth Lundys all over the place. You can’t draft everyone even if it feels like that would be a nice thing to do. You have to like some players more than other players.

[EvanZ]

If you literally didn’t know about a player until this week you are probably going to get it wrong.

[CP War Hawks]

Can anyone explain to me why OMP only avg 0.1 bpg three straight seasons given his tools

[Hal14]

If you literally didn’t know about a player until this week you are probably going to get it wrong.

I knew about Lundy way before this week.

[babyjax13]

If you literally didn’t know about a player until this week you are probably going to get it wrong.

Talking about Lundy or my comment on Tosan, because I'm definetely not claiming to know anything about him other than what I saw in a few minutes of a scrimmage that, like we discussed, you can draw very limited info from. He was fun to watch in that context, though! No idea if he should be a second round pick, or if he is a guy who could play overseas, etc.

[SeattleJazzFan]

yeah, i decided lundy was draftable after the first time i saw him in december. after measuring really well it just solidified that idea.

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[Devilanche]

Lundy could end up being a Max Strus type of guy. A Joe Harris type, Sam hauser, Kyle Korver, Bogdan Bogdanovic. Pat Connaughton, Duncan Robinson, etc..

Plenty of guys who just hit 3's and can hold their own on D. Solid role players off the bench. And eventually, as they keep developing if they can add more to their game than that, you have yourself a decent 4th/5th starter.

Anybody could be anybody, including guys who cant make it out of the GL and end up in Europe or China. Go watch any GL game and you’ll see Seth Lundys all over the place. You can’t draft everyone even if it feels like that would be a nice thing to do. You have to like some players more than other players.

Sounds like either a late seconds or a two way player who may eventually find their way into someone rotation.

There’s still huge value in someone who can shoot yet not a defensive liability afterall.

[Skybox]

I’m surprised Lively didn’t get measured. Seemed like that would be an easy win for him.

He could only lose. There's no way his wingspan is as large as *he* said it was.

Yep…I’m a fan. But opting out is concerning for a shot blocker