All Things Luka Doncic

[big-shot-ROB]

Who is Zion?

Zion Williamson high school kid with ridiculous bounce that moves like a runaway wrecking ball. Still deciding on which college he wants to go to.

That is on the path of D.Rose if he keeps on comming down that hard. A knee injury at the age of 16 doesnt bode well for the future of an athlete.
Its amazes me that people think if a player can dunk well he will automatically have a successful career in NBA, cause thats clearly happening in the case on Zion Williamson.

One Youtube video drops explaining the reason of the knee injuries od DRose and now suddenly we've all become experts on sport physiology. To any discussion about great jumpers since that video drop off, there are plenty of people saying: he better learn how to land, he'll end up like drose, bla bla bla. bull.

This has only happened to DRose and it will probably not happen soon again so stop trying to preditct some scientific things nobody knows.

[J_T]

Surreal. Looks like NCAA. When you shoot 61.5% for 2, 41.2% for 3 and 87.5% FT's and you are down 20 points at HT...

[BoardCrusher]

Zion Williamson high school kid with ridiculous bounce that moves like a runaway wrecking ball. Still deciding on which college he wants to go to.

That is on the path of D.Rose if he keeps on comming down that hard. A knee injury at the age of 16 doesnt bode well for the future of an athlete.
Its amazes me that people think if a player can dunk well he will automatically have a successful career in NBA, cause thats clearly happening in the case on Zion Williamson.

One Youtube video drops explaining the reason of the knee injuries od DRose and now suddenly we've all become experts on sport physiology. To any discussion about great jumpers since that video drop off, there are plenty of people saying: he better learn how to land, he'll end up like drose, bla bla bla. bull.

This has only happened to DRose and it will probably not happen soon again so stop trying to preditct some scientific things nobody knows.

Yeah, the knee injury he already had at age of 16 mustev been from walking to school? gotcha

[saphan]

At HT Luka has PIR 18 (14pts, 4a, 3r), and rest of the Real Madrid team has it 23...

[XTraderXL]

I think Real still has a chance in this game. They need to push the ball and play fast, Baskonia can not keep up these %. Luka had an OK first half, couldnt really have done more. Reals rotations are non exsistent, they have 6 defensive rebounds (Baskonia 5 offensive rebs) and they are late challenging the shots. Laso must start 2nd half with Luka and let him run the offense if he wants to have a chance in this game. Terrible team play so far...

[UcanUwill]

Euroleague page is down

[Mirotic12]

I think Doncic is the clear #1 prospect right now. He should be better than Ben Simmons and probably already is.

good morning my fellow objective observers

I would take Doncic over Ben Simmons 100 times out of 100 - without any hesitation at all.

[Gam]

I think Doncic is the clear #1 prospect right now. He should be better than Ben Simmons and probably already is.

good morning my fellow objective observers

I would take Doncic over Ben Simmons 100 times out of 100 - without any hesitation at all.

Yeesh, I love Doncic but I'd take Simmons over him 99/100 times. I thought you were supposed to be a Doncic hater? Or are you just an irrationally big Simmons hater for some reason?

[Dundalis]

I think Doncic is the clear #1 prospect right now. He should be better than Ben Simmons and probably already is.

good morning my fellow objective observers

The "probably" is obviously too strong, but otherwise, how would we know? I fully expect Doncic to get close to these numbers in his rookie year, heck, that's why he is in the discussion for going Nr.1. They are different players, but both has HOF potential.

Ben Simmons is putting up numbers only seen by Oscar Robinson to start a career. If you think that simply because Doncic is in the running to be no. 1 that it is only normal that he should be averaging close to a triple double on close to 20ppg his rookie year, then you must not watch the rookie seasons of many number 1 overall picks. There's no way it's gonna happen to put it bluntly. Doncic is a better shooter, but he doesn't have the size or athleticism to score inside like Simmons can. And never will, unlike the potential for Simmons to improve his jumper.

Not to mention players without elite size or athleticism don't tend to dominate in the NBA. So unless he's a Curry level shooting savant, or a Magic Johnson level passing savant, then he would need to bring something else incredibly special to the table to make up for lacking in those attributes to become truly elite. A jack of all trades won't cut it.

As for the Simmons/Lebron comparisons, Simmons is 6'10, and his end to end speed is absolutely comparable to James, even if he isn't as good a vertical athlete. He's also got a tighter handle than Lebron did at the same age IMO. He can get to the rim in fewer strides than Lebron could, similar to Giannis. He's a better rebounder than Lebron. There are things he does that make up for the fact that he isn't the all world athlete Lebron was. His jumper holds him back, but all he really needs is to be somewhat proficient 3-4 years down the line to go from a 18ppg scorer to a 25ppg scorer, be a threat to average a triple double and be a perennial MVP threat. None of this is to say he will be as good as Lebron, because odds are, he won't. But he doesn't need to be a great shooter to be an elite player due to his incredible mismatch ability with his size, athleticism and elite basketball IQ.

[agentofatlas]

Weirdly enough I think Doncic would do well in a Sixer uniform with Ben Simmons.

[Johnny Firpo]

Weirdly enough I think Doncic would do well in a Sixer uniform with Ben Simmons.

Doncic would do well with anyone, and he is just as unique as Simmons.

[SportsGuy8]

Doncic might be better than Simmons at several things, is a lot more well-rounded, but you cannot teach height, especially with all the things Simmons is able to do at that height. Judging by how well Simmons has looked during this first month, Doncic is pretty much going to have to reach his ceiling to be better than him.

Unless Simmons is going to be unable to improve his shooting and scoring efficiency. But that often improves after rookie year.

With that said, I'm not going to be surprised if Doncic has a similar rookie year, especially if he ends up on a team where he's going to have a similar role as Simmons has.

Weirdly enough I think Doncic would do well in a Sixer uniform with Ben Simmons.

Doncic would do well with anyone, and he is just as unique as Simmons.

Yeah, even RIGHT NOW, at 18, he would do well (as in at least contribute decently) on virtually every single team in the NBA. His possible stardom might be somewhat questionable, but all the coaches would LOVE him right now, as a "do it all role-player", with all the little things he does.

His rebounding, passion, effort and decent shooting would make any coach love him, even if he has to play off the ball.

[burek3]

Depends. The are quite couple of trash coaches...

[SportsGuy8]

Not nearly as many as in the past. It seems like the coaching has improved tremendously.

Maybe Dwane Casey would bury him to the bench? I seriously cannot think of anybody else.

Other bad coaches are on teams that suck and would at least be forced to play a highly touted rookie like Doncic.

[J_T]

Ben Simmons is putting up numbers only seen by Oscar Robinson to start a career.

He sure is. Oscar Magic Robinson.

[Nikson]

good morning my fellow objective observers

The "probably" is obviously too strong, but otherwise, how would we know? I fully expect Doncic to get close to these numbers in his rookie year, heck, that's why he is in the discussion for going Nr.1. They are different players, but both has HOF potential.

Not to mention players without elite size or athleticism don't tend to dominate in the NBA. So unless he's a Curry level shooting savant, or a Magic Johnson level passing savant, then he would need to bring something else incredibly special to the table to make up for lacking in those attributes to become truly elite. A jack of all trades won't cut it.

There is no sign why he can’t be Curry level shooting savant or Magic level passing savant.

Not one sign.
But you are right, he also brings something else incredibly special to the table.

[SportsGuy8]

There are some signs ... Curry was already a fantastic shooter in his first year of college, both from the 3pt line (which was a bit shorter admittedly) and the FT line. Doncic still isn't quite there yet. Personally I do think he's going to end up being a great shooter, but Curry is simply on another level.

Same for Magic and passing.

Doncic's strength is that he's a complete package. He's a "savant" at being a complete package, not necessarily at individual things, even though he's great or even elite at many of them. But Curry's shooting and Magic's passing was BEYOND elite ...

[J_T]

Doncic doesn't need to be GOAT at anything in particular to justify the first pick. In fact I think it's quite clear that he is not going to be GOAT in any single category. And in my opinion that's not really lowering his ceiling at all. I think Jordan is GOAT and he wasn't GOAT at anything specific. Some people even claim that Jordan had a weakness, the 3-point shooting. Not gonna go there, can be very contentious. Bottom line is, everyone realizes that Doncic is not perfect, he is not a god in human form. But he doesn't need to be one to be a great player. I think we are often too hard on these teenagers, all of them. I'm excited about this draft class and can't wait to see what they do in the league.

[pacersGM]

Doncic doesn't need to be GOAT at anything in particular to justify the first pick. In fact I think it's quite clear that he is not going to be GOAT in any single category. And in my opinion that's not really lowering his ceiling at all. I think Jordan is GOAT and he wasn't GOAT at anything specific. Some people even claim that Jordan had a weakness, the 3-point shooting. Not gonna go there, can be very contentious. Bottom line is, everyone realizes that Doncic is not perfect, he is not a god in human form. But he doesn't need to be one to be a great player. I think we are often too hard on these teenagers, all of them. I'm excited about this draft class and can't wait to see what they do in the league.

did you really mean the above?

jordan is the most lethal scorer in the history of the nba.
he is the best athlete in the history of the nba (not counting the ones who could not dribble the ball or shoot)
he was an elite defensive player, (when it was needed)
he had also the most killer mentality in the history of the game.
maybe he was also an exceptional passer, but we wont know that, because you know, he had other things to worry about.

you are right about doncic, he can do alot of things good, but none really elite. wich makes for a good solid nba career.

[narcolepsy]

Randolph is out for at least month and a half. Does anyone know when Ayon is coming back? They really need his rebounding and passing. I dont think Real can win a Euroleague game atm unless Doncic drops 30, everyone not injured is playing so mediocre.