Alex Sarr

[The-Power]

When is the last time a "raw, but high potential, low floor, high ceiling, drafted because of his size and athleticism and potential" type bigs turned out? I feel like they bust out all the time, at least according to the expectations.

You can not teach a 20 year old guy skills, that he didnt learn in the 10 years prior.

Difficult to say as those that do pan out might be retroactively labelled different types of prospects (i.e., “the player was never that raw; he always had a fairly high baseline”, etc.).

What I would want to point out with Sarr is that I do think he's skilled, at least in the context of young bigs. It's the physicality, motor and the opinion he has of himself that are my primary concerns.

I think you are over thinking the "opinion of himself" thing. That's just the way that French dudes are. You could say the exact same thing about Gobert, Diaw, Parker, ect.

Odd generalization of a large and diverse group of people. I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean. And no, I don't think the concerns about a significant dissonance between what they believe their role should be and the role in which they would be able to maximize their impact were similar to Sarr for most players.

[clyde21]

When is the last time a "raw, but high potential, low floor, high ceiling, drafted because of his size and athleticism and potential" type bigs turned out? I feel like they bust out all the time, at least according to the expectations.

You can not teach a 20 year old guy skills, that he didnt learn in the 10 years prior.

except you have it backwards, Sarr is skilled, it's the strength and physical prowess that's missing. same issues that Wiseman had, and in some cases with bigs like it was with Wiseman, being soft is a death sentence in the league.

that's part of the reason why I had Wiseman all the way down to 10 in his class. i did have Sarr #1 in this class as the only real ceiling play for #1 overall I saw but yea, if the soft aspect to his game is real he's never gonna reach that ceiling.

but let's not draw too much of a conclusion from SL. it's all a glorified scrimmage. some players do well in this environment while others do better in more structured environments.

[clyde21]

I had him ranked 7th in my mock draft. He reminds me of those overhyped bigs who are valued more for their potential than their actual production, like Bagley and Whiteside. I had Edey first and Clingan second.

Bagley's production was elite. He had one of the best freshman seasons in NCAA history. 21 and 11 on 64% TS.

lol people just throw out names without knowing what they are talking about. Bagley was a top RSCI guy who was a massive producer at Duke (64 TS%, 30 PER, 10 BPM).

and I actually wasn't a big fan of Bagley. i remember those 'BUT HIS SECOND JUMP!' conversations. he was highly productive but an awkward tweener with little defense even in today's positionless format.

[Big J]

When is the last time a "raw, but high potential, low floor, high ceiling, drafted because of his size and athleticism and potential" type bigs turned out? I feel like they bust out all the time, at least according to the expectations.

You can not teach a 20 year old guy skills, that he didnt learn in the 10 years prior.

except you have it backwards, Sarr is skilled, it's the strength and physical prowess that's missing. same issues that Wiseman had, and in some cases with bigs like it was with Wiseman, being soft is a death sentence in the league.

that's part of the reason why I had Wiseman all the way down to 10 in his class. i did have Sarr #1 in this class as the only real ceiling play for #1 overall I saw but yea, if the soft aspect to his game is real he's never gonna reach that ceiling.

but let's not draw too much of a conclusion from SL. it's all a glorified scrimmage. some players do well in this environment while others do better in more structured environments.

Wiseman never had anywhere close to Sarr's level of defensive awareness. That is why he failed. He cared way too much about dribbling and putting up stats on the offensive end. Sarr can be soft all day long on offense as long as he is a rockstar on the other end.

[Big J]

15, 4, 3 & 1 with 3-4 from the arc. People will never learn about Summer League.

[EMG518]

15, 4, 3 & 1 with 3-4 from the arc. People will never learn about Summer League.

Kind of guilty of what you came here to post about.

[remi_222]

In which world you can have clear and objective conclusions abt SL games when you're a big guy ??? so stupid and irrelevant. Not saying that he's gonna be a beast, but when you're around better players on a better stage, you have more chances to perform !

[Colbinii]

Summer League: Meaningless!
Pre-Season: Truth!

[Colbinii]

15, 4, 3 & 1 with 3-4 from the arc. People will never learn about Summer League.

This you saying the pre-season doesn't matter?

It’s the first preseason game. No one cares if you score 20 points in it. Just set screens, rebound, and be in the right positions on defense.

It’s preseason. None of these guys are giving 100% effort. We’re not going to see their true games until we hit the regular season.

[Big J]

15, 4, 3 & 1 with 3-4 from the arc. People will never learn about Summer League.

This you saying the pre-season doesn't matter?

It’s the first preseason game. No one cares if you score 20 points in it. Just set screens, rebound, and be in the right positions on defense.

It’s preseason. None of these guys are giving 100% effort. We’re not going to see their true games until we hit the regular season.

Yikes, that was me? Well, I think it matters if you show out during preseason, but you can’t take much from it if you suck.

[Big J]

12, 9, 3 & 3. Kid's legit.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I have zero faith in him developing for the Wizards. It's a poverty organization that simply doesn't know what it's doing. They literally ran action for Valanciunas all night instead of Sarr lmao. The only times he got the ball were in pick n pop threes which is just moronic when he's a 19 y/o 7 footer. You can see there's no life in his eyes. He's resigned to his fate. And then to top it off, the Celtics empty their bench with 10 minutes left and instead of letting Sarr get a taste of some success against backups and maybe run some action for him they bench him for Bagley. Just asinine. If this is how he's going to be utilized he will bust guaranteed

[Big J]

He won't bust. Might suck for a few years, but he's got good size and defensive instincts. Some team will turn him into a player.

[atlantabbq99]

I know their must be some top 5 picks who had zero points in their NBA debut, but Sarr's first NBA must be in the top 10 worst NBA debuts of all time.

Right now Sarr reminds me of a poor man's Pistons' Josh Smith

[atlantabbq99]

I agree with most that Sarr won't ever be an NBA all star, but like Kwame, he will have a 10yr NBA career because of his size.

[ItsDanger]

Seems like he has a weak inside game and is primarily a stretch 4/5.

[Colbinii]

Seems like he has a weak inside game and is primarily a stretch 4/5.

Stretch 4/5 is the new slang for "Lack of Intangible skills offensively other than developing a 3P shot".

I think Sarr has more intrigue than simply a stretch big, but he has some big hurdles to clear.

[Rafael122]

Tied for 4th in the league in blocks per game. Wizards are experimenting with him being a 4, but last night he started at the 5.

[Big J]

17, 6, 3 & 4 last night. The people trashing him based on Summer League & preseason production should be red-faced.

[GoBobs]

17, 6, 3 & 4 last night. The people trashing him based on Summer League & preseason production should be red-faced.

So 1 good game makes him not a bust despite 37% fg and 24% from 3 on the season with over 5 attempts per game? He might be good one day. The blocks are nice, but overall has not proven that he is good right now.