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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#221 » by Hal14 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:32 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Having to cut to high school highlights after 45 seconds because you run out of useable college footage isn't a great sign. Even still these takes to the basket couldn't be more average, feels like any starting guard at Winthrop or Indiana State could put these on tape.

Dude, give it a rest.

You don't like Sheppard as a prospect. We get it.

It's incredibly lame to be a huge internet troll and beat a dead horse and come up with 200 different ways to bash the kid.

This is really getting pathetic.
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Post#222 » by Colbinii » Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:48 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:Having to cut to high school highlights after 45 seconds because you run out of useable college footage isn't a great sign. Even still these takes to the basket couldn't be more average, feels like any starting guard at Winthrop or Indiana State could put these on tape.

Dude, give it a rest.

You don't like Sheppard as a prospect. We get it.

It's incredibly lame be a huge internet troll and beat a dead horse and come up with 200 different ways to bash the kid.

This is really getting pathetic.


I think some people have a positive view on life and express that.

I think some people have a negative view on life and express that.

You aren't going to be able to get to them via an Internet Forum.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#223 » by JMAC3 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:49 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:Having to cut to high school highlights after 45 seconds because you run out of useable college footage isn't a great sign. Even still these takes to the basket couldn't be more average, feels like any starting guard at Winthrop or Indiana State could put these on tape.

Dude, give it a rest.

You don't like Sheppard as a prospect. We get it.

It's incredibly lame be a huge internet troll and beat a dead horse and come up with 200 different ways to bash the kid.

This is really getting pathetic.


We get it you love him and get mad at anyone who doesn't love him as a prospect and have to resort to calling them a troll and pathetic instead of having a real conversation about the player.

The clip had like 5 layups in it before it had to resort to him scoring on kids with braces who are sitting in Geometry class right now. We are 18 games into his college career and we don't have enough footage to show creating his own offense for more than 45 seconds, that is a red flaggg.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#224 » by Hal14 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:13 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:Having to cut to high school highlights after 45 seconds because you run out of useable college footage isn't a great sign. Even still these takes to the basket couldn't be more average, feels like any starting guard at Winthrop or Indiana State could put these on tape.

Dude, give it a rest.

You don't like Sheppard as a prospect. We get it.

It's incredibly lame be a huge internet troll and beat a dead horse and come up with 200 different ways to bash the kid.

This is really getting pathetic.


I think some people have a positive view on life and express that.

I think some people have a negative view on life and express that.

You aren't going to be able to get to them via an Internet Forum.

Yeah, good point. I've put him on the foe list and will not be engaging with him again - it's not worth the aggravation.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#225 » by JMAC3 » Fri Jan 26, 2024 5:33 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Having to cut to high school highlights after 45 seconds because you run out of useable college footage isn't a great sign. Even still these takes to the basket couldn't be more average, feels like any starting guard at Winthrop or Indiana State could put these on tape.

Dude, give it a rest.

You don't like Sheppard as a prospect. We get it.

It's incredibly lame be a huge internet troll and beat a dead horse and come up with 200 different ways to bash the kid.

This is really getting pathetic.


I think some people have a positive view on life and express that.

I think some people have a negative view on life and express that.

You aren't going to be able to get to them via an Internet Forum.


What is funny is somebody else already quoted you posting negative stuff about Charlotte organization over and over. Even coming to the Hornets board to **** post and troll, but yeah you are the positive one and above all that lol.
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Re: Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft 

Post#226 » by Colbinii » Fri Jan 26, 2024 7:44 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Dude, give it a rest.

You don't like Sheppard as a prospect. We get it.

It's incredibly lame be a huge internet troll and beat a dead horse and come up with 200 different ways to bash the kid.

This is really getting pathetic.


I think some people have a positive view on life and express that.

I think some people have a negative view on life and express that.

You aren't going to be able to get to them via an Internet Forum.


What is funny is somebody else already quoted you posting negative stuff about Charlotte organization over and over. Even coming to the Hornets board to **** post and troll, but yeah you are the positive one and above all that lol.


Nothing I said was negative. You should read my comments and what he wrote again if you think I was being unfair or harsh.

Here is what I said.

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Colbinii wrote:This franchise is so sorry. They are worse now than when they drafted LaMelo Ball in 2020.

move along


They are. Do you disagree?

The Kings and Timberwolves are the other two franchises who share Charlotte's patheticness.

Both these franchises have accurately acquired the right pieces around ANT/Fox. Charlotte hasn't, though Miller has been excellent for a rookie.


I am a Timberwolves fan. I said the Timberwolves are equivalent to Charlotte :lol:
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Post#227 » by JMAC3 » Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:36 pm

Probably an argument to be made that was Sheppards 2nd best game of the year. 14 pts, 5 assists on 5/12 shooting. He had a larger role on offense with Dillingham out for sickness. Interested to see if this is a 1 game thing or if he can build some momentum, but it was nice to see him look at the rim with some actual consistency for the first time in over a month.
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Post#228 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:13 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Probably an argument to be made that was Sheppards 2nd best game of the year. 14 pts, 5 assists on 5/12 shooting. He had a larger role on offense with Dillingham out for sickness. Interested to see if this is a 1 game thing or if he can build some momentum, but it was nice to see him look at the rim with some actual consistency for the first time in over a month.


his defense in conference play has been a big issue though. He's having real trouble guarding his man at the college level which does not bode well for his chances at the next level. Most of his offense continues to be hitting fairly wide open threes.
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Post#229 » by MemphisX » Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:36 am

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16% usage is really really low to project lead guard


This is how I felt about Hali.


Right therefore it can never be a concern for anyone again because there are no such thing as outliers. :roll:


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Post#230 » by EvanZ » Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:38 pm

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EvanZ wrote:
MemphisX wrote:
This is how I felt about Hali.


Right therefore it can never be a concern for anyone again because there are no such thing as outliers. :roll:


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That's actually totally fair to call me out on that. My bad.
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Post#231 » by Deathray » Thu Feb 1, 2024 3:06 am

I'll be very surprised if Sheppard measures 6'3". He looks a couple of inches shorter than Dillingham to me.
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Post#232 » by The Moose » Thu Feb 1, 2024 3:43 am

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Post#233 » by Hal14 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:00 am

Gosh, Sheppard seemed to score a lot of points tonight - both inside the arc and from 3..a few shots at the rim too..
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Post#234 » by clyde21 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 4:19 am

Why did Big Z only get 6 mins tonight? He had the first game pop off then nothing
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Post#235 » by FarBeyondDriven » Thu Feb 1, 2024 9:54 am

For anyone who missed the game and relies on box scores, let me give you a recap. Kentucky was without their starting PG Wagner and starting wing Edwards. This gave Sheppard and Dillingham an amazing opportunity to go up against one of the weakest defensive front courts they'll see all season and a terrible defensive backcourt. Sheppard was the replacement starter at PG and he took advantage of his time to shine...on offense anyway. FL switches on defense leaving awful centers trying to defend Kentucky guards several times which they took advantage of by getting easy layups or easy penetration resulting in kicks to wide open shooters for assists. Both were left wide open for many threes as well when others kicked to them off penetration and they made several. They both filled up the box score. Impressive stuff. Sheppard ran the point very effectively. I'd like to see him get a chance to start against an actual good team to see if he can duplicate this offensive performance.

Sadly, there are two sides of the ball and this game makes me understand why Wagner is the starting PG because his defense is so much better. Florida's backcourt had their way with both Sheppard and Dillingham but especially Sheppard. In my estimation, his defense almost entirely negated his great offense. He's a heady team defender but he can't defend good point guards and he left guys way too much space to shoot jumpers due to being afraid of being taken off the dribble. He scored 24 points but his man (whoever he was defending at the time) probably scored the same. Combined with costly turnovers, it's why Kentucky lost this game they had no business losing.

Neither of these guards can defend at the college level so have very little chance of seeing major minutes in the NBA. Both are destined to be bench pieces but they'll be very good role players and should still go middle to late first. At least as it sits now. If Sheppard can have similar performances against good teams in the tournament as the starting PG he might go higher. I'd take him over Dillingham easy. Despite the defense I'd rather watch Sheppard run the point than Wagner. He's simply a better passer and has higher BBIQ. Wagner might be a better NBA point guard prospect due to his first step and ability to get past his man but Sheppard is the better college point guard. Sheppard, on offense, was just a lot of fun to watch. Granted, some of that is probably due to the opponent but that's why I want to see him start against a better team so we can find out.

Ivisic and Bradshaw barely played. They're pretty much backups at this point. What a horrible situation for all of these prospects. Every one of them hurt their draft stock choosing to all go to the same school. At this point none of them seem like they'll have the opportunity to prove they deserve to go in the top half of the draft. Too many unknowns. Too risky. It'd be one thing if there was no alternative but there are.
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Post#236 » by The-Power » Thu Feb 1, 2024 10:13 am

The-Power wrote:Games like this one need to be monitored. There's a difference between passive and unselfish, and afraid or unable to score or create. Yesterday it was the latter, and he has to show some ability and desire to create a shot in tough situations or else that's going to make him fall some spots come draft time. The kick-out in transition that turned into a contested 3 when he was ahead of a trailing Center close to the basket just cannot happen.


So, since I wrote this post, Sheppard has looked much more aggressive looking for the drive. I'm sure someone in the coaching staff has told him to look more for his drive and finishes. I'm glad he seems to have taken that to heart, and obviously the absence of one of the other two Guards has provided him with more opportunities.

What can we learn from his two recent games? Well, at least that he has it in him to drive and finish. Especially last night he showed also some of his midrange game with pull-up 2s and a floater. That'll help to keep defenses honest and if he can continue doing that it'll become a lot easier to project him as someone who can get some on-ball opportunities in the NBA. Now, that being said, it's also clear why he has avoided shots at the rim at least because he is clearly bothered by size and his arsenal around the rim is limited.

On defense, he's a bit Janus-faced. On the one hand, he always has some possessions that stand out positively. That's when he has an awesome contest (see the late block on Clayton's 3), shows great hands (see the swipe-down in transition that saved a lay-up) or stays glued to his man. On the other hand, there are a ton of possessions in which he struggles to contest effectively (due to physical limitations but also because he allows the gap to be too large) or stay in front of his man.

The latter in particular is a bit odd, because he can have these awesome possessions defending ball-handlers (@Hal14 also posted a video recently, I believe) but for each of those possessions he has 2-3 possessions in which he's blown by very easily because of poor defensive stands and reaction times. I suppose part of the reason is that he needs to be fully locked in to have those great possessions and that his baseline defense because of his physical limitations – and because he tends to gamble or prematurely thinks about the next rotation a bit too much at times – isn't good. So I'd expect him to be a fine defender for his position with his pros and cons in a limited role off the bench, but a comparatively poor defender if he's asked to play higher minutes and/or take on more offensive responsibilities. That's pretty much in line with the majority of small Guards in the NBA, I'd say.
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Post#237 » by Hal14 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 2:43 pm

The-Power wrote:On defense, he's a bit Janus-faced. On the one hand, he always has some possessions that stand out positively. That's when he has an awesome contest (see the late block on Clayton's 3), shows great hands (see the swipe-down in transition that saved a lay-up) or stays glued to his man. On the other hand, there are a ton of possessions in which he struggles to contest effectively (due to physical limitations but also because he allows the gap to be too large) or stay in front of his man.

The latter in particular is a bit odd, because he can have these awesome possessions defending ball-handlers (@Hal14 also posted a video recently, I believe) but for each of those possessions he has 2-3 possessions in which he's blown by very easily because of poor defensive stands and reaction times. I suppose part of the reason is that he needs to be fully locked in to have those great possessions and that his baseline defense because of his physical limitations – and because he tends to gamble or prematurely thinks about the next rotation a bit too much at times – isn't good. So I'd expect him to be a fine defender for his position with his pros and cons in a limited role off the bench, but a comparatively poor defender if he's asked to play higher minutes and/or take on more offensive responsibilities. That's pretty much in line with the majority of small Guards in the NBA, I'd say.

Yeah, even guys like Derrick White and Marcus Smart sometimes get beat off the dribble or their man is able to shoot over them with ease.
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Post#238 » by JMAC3 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 5:14 pm

As I said, glad he realized he should look at the rim consistently. Now I can actually take him somewhat serious as a prospect. Back to back aggressive games on offense, Tennessee should be a good test for him this weekend.
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Post#239 » by Hal14 » Thu Feb 1, 2024 7:48 pm

For folks who are hating on Sheppard's defense:

-He's 1st on Kentucky in defensive BPM
-He's 1st on Kentucky (among players who have played 200+ mins) in defensive rating
-1st in steals %
4th in blocks % (among players who have played 200+ mins)

Not bad for a 19 year old freshman, on one of the top teams in college basketball
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Post#240 » by clyde21 » Fri Feb 2, 2024 2:16 am

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yea looks taller but this is a terrible indictment on Reed considering that Dilly is probably no taller than 6-0 lol
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