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Re: Cameron Boozer 

Post#221 » by Cammo101 » Tue Dec 16, 2025 6:43 pm

peZt wrote:I'm still sceptical about his NBA role and ceiling, but at some point you just gotta stop overthinking and take the productivity at face value.

HOw many busts do we have that dominated High School, came in and dominated College as a freshman, showed all kinds of translatable skills like 3pts shot, playmaking and assist rate, rebounding rate etc., had dominant stats but then busted in the NBA? Usually the kind of busts that play similiar to Boozer have neither the playmaking or shooting and do what he does as a junior or senior.
Being completely dominant as a rookie or freshman at the big stage is usually teh number 1 sign that they won't be a bust, even if some parts of their game raise question marks. Similiar to a Sengun, if somebody is this dominant at age 18 against older players and clearly show next level skill set, you just draft them, despite some perceived flaws or questino marks


I see a close to zero percent chance he is a bust. He is simply too smart and too talented to bust. That said, of the big four in this draft class, I think he has the highest floor, but also the lowest ceiling. If all these guys max out their talent, he will be the 4th best player in this class. There is nothing wrong with that, he will be a good player on a good NBA team almost by default. And there is value in that certainty.
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Re: Cameron Boozer 

Post#222 » by kobyz » Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:00 am

He's so underrated defensively, reminds me of Draymond
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Post#223 » by kobyz » Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:01 am

He's so underrated defensively, reminds me of Draymond
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Post#224 » by kobyz » Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:01 am

He's so underrated defensively, reminds me of Draymond
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Post#225 » by kobyz » Wed Dec 17, 2025 10:01 am

He's so underrated defensively, reminds me of Draymond
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Re: Cameron Boozer 

Post#226 » by King Ken » Wed Dec 17, 2025 12:34 pm

My man believed in this statement so much, he said it 4 times
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Post#227 » by tontoz » Mon Dec 22, 2025 3:19 pm

No Ceilings pretty critical of Boozer against Texas Tech

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Post#228 » by FarBeyondDriven » Mon Dec 22, 2025 6:03 pm

tontoz wrote:No Ceilings pretty critical of Boozer against Texas Tech



Duke losing this game and to less talented teams in general is because Jon Scheyer is a complete and utter fraud. It all starts and ends with him
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Post#229 » by ezhkw8u69e » Mon Dec 22, 2025 6:29 pm

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tontoz wrote:No Ceilings pretty critical of Boozer against Texas Tech



Duke losing this game and to less talented teams in general is because Jon Scheyer is a complete and utter fraud. It all starts and ends with him


Duke was 11-0 before this?

I mean unless they literally go undefeated forever, Duke is always going to lose to a team that is less talented than they are. They almost always have more talent than anyone in any game.
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Post#230 » by tontoz » Mon Dec 22, 2025 6:34 pm

Boozer didn't take a shot in the last 6:30 even though he was being guarded by a freshman guard that rarely plays. He kept passing out. I put that on the player not the coach.

Tech scored a lot of points right in Boozer's face. It seemed like their game plan was to go directly at him. Again that isn't on the coach.
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Post#231 » by greenOakX » Wed Dec 24, 2025 4:02 am

Cam is held to a much higher standard than any other prospect in recent memory. Can't think of another prospect who could put up 23-8-7 on .670 TS against a top 20 team, only to get **** on for being 'too passive' (which more often than not is just criticizing a player for making the best play instead of selfishly taking shots). Like maybe he should've called his number more often down the stretch, but he generated plenty of good looks for his teammates and was dominant throughout the game on offense.

I also think people are seriously underestimating his ceiling - and in general underestimate the ceiling of high-skill, low athleticism prospects. People look at prospects and imagine what they could be if they fixed their flaws - but they don't look at a prospect and imagine what they could be if they got better at the stuff they are already good at. The best shooters in the NBA tend to be the guys who were the best shooters as prospects. The highest IQ NBA players tend to be the highest IQ prospects, etc. Cam becoming a Jokic-esque basketball savant is his ceiling in terms of feel. Likely? No, but I'm not sure it's any more unlikely than something like AJ becoming a defensive menace.

There are many examples in the last decade of top-10 level players who had average (or even poor) athleticism. Assuming someone meets the athletic requirements to be productive at the collegiate level, I am unconvinced that athleticism significantly affects a player's potential. Athleticism definitely limits a player's absolute best outcome, but that is a trivial concern. Does it have a significant impact on a player's 75th percentile outcome? 90th percentile outcome? I'm skeptical.
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Post#232 » by FarBeyondDriven » Wed Dec 24, 2025 12:44 pm

I think people are justified in wondering about his role in the NBA and upside but they're only doing it because he's being talked about as a top 3 pick. As I've said, there's a very real chance he falls to that 5-10 range whether due to team needs or simply teams liking someone better. So if he's the 5th or later off the board the cons are mitigated compared to going higher. I really don't think any G.M. is looking at him to be a #1.
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Re: Cameron Boozer 

Post#233 » by tmorgan » Wed Dec 24, 2025 7:14 pm

I still love Boozer as a safe, medium upside pick. Guys that are strong, basketball smart, can shoot and are 6’9” aren’t common, so even if they aren’t impressive vertical or fast twitch athletes, success is very likely,

Actually, that general archetype also applies to Kon. Except Kon is 6’5”, so there were a lot more doubters, including me. I’d venture to guess that the number of guys that fit this description is somewhere between 10x and 50x greater at 6’5” than at 6’9”. Kon just ended up as a massive offensive outlier as everything translated perfectly. I’m not saying that Boozer has the same feel for the game as Knueppel, because he probably doesn’t, and he definitely isn’t THAT good of a shooter, but rather he doesn’t have to be to be successful. He gets to guard slower players and his ability as a passing hub is rarer at his position.

Still wouldn’t take him top 5 unless I’m OKC picking 4th or 5th, but that’s just a matter of the good stuff available this year.
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Re: Cameron Boozer 

Post#234 » by BigGargamel » Wed Dec 24, 2025 11:08 pm

I don't see any way he falls past five, unless someone else steps up in a big way. But I do put him closer to Wilson and Flemings than I do Peterson and Dybantsa.
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Re: Cameron Boozer 

Post#235 » by CptCrunch » Thu Dec 25, 2025 12:39 am

Duke players are picked apart for no apparent reason. Cooper 6th pick in 2025 Flagg. Kon 'role player' Knuepppel.

Now 23/10/4 true freshman Boozer is a 5-10 pick. Delusional hatred of Duke is strong here.
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Post#236 » by greenOakX » Thu Dec 25, 2025 3:28 am

Boozer is more likely to go #1 than fall out of the top 3. The only reason he wouldn't go #1 is that AJ and Darren Peterson are having insane seasons as well.

The rhetoric around Boozer reminds me of the rhetoric around Doncic. Despite the massive production, which is the strongest predictor of NBA success, people galaxy-brained themselves into ranking him below far less productive players. AJ Dybantsa and Darren Peterson are at least close to Boozer in terms of production, so I can see good arguments for either of them over Boozer, but ranking him any lower than #3 is just overthinking it.
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Re: Cameron Boozer 

Post#237 » by The-Power » Thu Dec 25, 2025 10:12 am

greenOakX wrote:Boozer is more likely to go #1 than fall out of the top 3. The only reason he wouldn't go #1 is that AJ and Darren Peterson are having insane seasons as well.

The rhetoric around Boozer reminds me of the rhetoric around Doncic. Despite the massive production, which is the strongest predictor of NBA success, people galaxy-brained themselves into ranking him below far less productive players. AJ Dybantsa and Darren Peterson are at least close to Boozer in terms of production, so I can see good arguments for either of them over Boozer, but ranking him any lower than #3 is just overthinking it.

While I agree with parts of your statement (in terms of overthinking Boozer and undervaluing production), I don't agree that he cannot be lower than #3. Caleb Wilson is insanely productive in his own right and has a good (IMO, but at least reasonable) case over Boozer. It's tough for me to justify ranking him lower than 4th right now, though if you really like another player or an international player I'm not yet aware of rises over the next few months, it could certainly be possible. Ultimately, I don't think the issue is whether you rank Boozer #1, #3 or #5 in terms of overthinking, but how much you are willing to disregard college production. And there I agree that at times it feels like he is doubted a bit too much and people might get a bit carried away with their rankings, though even that strikes me as more of an exception and not particularly extreme either in the grand scheme of draft debates.
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Re: Cameron Boozer 

Post#238 » by The-Power » Thu Dec 25, 2025 10:20 am

CptCrunch wrote:Duke players are picked apart for no apparent reason. Cooper 6th pick in 2025 Flagg. Kon 'role player' Knuepppel.

Now 23/10/4 true freshman Boozer is a 5-10 pick. Delusional hatred of Duke is strong here.

How many people have argued those things individually on here, and how many have argued all of those together (as you imply when you talk about delusional hatred being strong on this board). These generalizations are tiring and, most importantly, entirely unproductive for any discussion. And that's not even mentioning that his perhaps current biggest NBA skeptic on this board is a huge Duke fan and the vast majority of people in this thread continue to speak very positively of Boozer.
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Re: Cameron Boozer 

Post#239 » by tontoz » Thu Dec 25, 2025 4:40 pm

Texas tech scored a lot of points right in Boozer's face. It actually seemed like their game plan was to go right at him.

TT was short handed due to injuries before the game started, then two guys fouled out with plenty of time left.

Duke was up 11 with 6:30 left with TT missing half their rotation and still managed to lose. Boozer didn't even attempt a shot during that time even though he was being defended by a freshman guard who hardly plays.

Boozer has to own that loss.
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Re: Cameron Boozer 

Post#240 » by tmorgan » Thu Dec 25, 2025 7:04 pm

CptCrunch wrote:Duke players are picked apart for no apparent reason. Cooper 6th pick in 2025 Flagg. Kon 'role player' Knuepppel.

Now 23/10/4 true freshman Boozer is a 5-10 pick. Delusional hatred of Duke is strong here.


You know, for us older posters, there’s a reason some bias might creep in. Duke has a pretty long history of getting guys over-drafted, because, up until Coach K’s aging out, they had a really long run of impressive March performances, top recruits, and coaching able to maximize their strengths and hide their weaknesses.

As I am indeed old and suffering through a CE hangover, I don’t feel like compiling a list, but I assure you this the case. This year, of course, the two highest drafted Blue Devils are killing it, which is great to see. Maluach not so much, but you can’t win ‘em all.

In any case, it’s not “delusional hatred”, and saying such sounds really childish.

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