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Post#2301 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri May 24, 2024 3:10 pm

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C'mon, don't set Collier up like that. Those are hall of fame players and perennial all-stars. Along with being some of the fastest and most athletic players the game has ever seen. If Collier turns into a Stefon Marbury or Baron Davis level player, THAT's a top end result. It's more likely he'll be like an Eric Bledsoe.


The bizarre Internet where super fast highly skilled guys can only get to the basket if they have an elite jumper. :nonono:
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What I'm saying is that there's levels to this. Comparing Collier to the 99th percentile of nba athletes all time is unfair to him. Every draft there's guys with a good first step and some skill around the basketball. But that doesn't mean we're getting a Dwade or Russell Westbrook in every draft. Hell. Look at Scoot, he was getting comparisons to Westbrook and DRose! When he actually hit the nba, we saw quickly he's a far worse athlete than either of them, and he's struggling accordingly. The same will happen to Collier.


Scoot Henderson was a teenage NBA point guard, Marbury is probably the only player mentioned that fits that distinction. Teenagers generally don't look like All Stars in the NBA. It doesn't take a genius to characterize the growing pains of an NBA teenager as "struggle."
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Post#2302 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri May 24, 2024 4:07 pm

"Super fast" for Collier is, uhh, extremely generous.

Especially considering his handle is not nearly good enough yet.
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Post#2303 » by jman3134 » Fri May 24, 2024 4:11 pm

Explain to me in what universe N'Faly Dante is not a first round pick?
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Post#2304 » by clyde21 » Fri May 24, 2024 4:34 pm

jman3134 wrote:Explain to me in what universe N'Faly Dante is not a first round pick?


who says he's not? a lot of people have him in the 20-30 range.

but really he's old as hell, can't shoot and can't even hit his FTs. hard ceiling on how high they can go in the draft.
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Post#2305 » by Chuck Everett » Fri May 24, 2024 4:36 pm

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jman3134 wrote:Explain to me in what universe N'Faly Dante is not a first round pick?


who says he's not? a lot of people have him in the 20-30 range.

but really he's old as hell, can't shoot and can't even hit his FTs. hard ceiling on how high they can go in the draft.


He's also very injury prone. He should probably go undrafted.
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Post#2306 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri May 24, 2024 5:49 pm

Castle refusing to play SG in the NBA, will only work out for teams without a PG.

Trying very hard to steer himself to San Antonio, with the Jazz as his only fallback.
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Post#2307 » by BigGargamel » Fri May 24, 2024 6:23 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Castle refusing to play SG in the NBA, will only work out for teams without a PG.

Trying very hard to steer himself to San Antonio, with the Jazz as his only fallback.


:lol: It irks me when mediocre prospects try to dictate terms like this. You aren't Steve Francis. And now you're trying to compete with Sheppard, Dillingham, Topic by shoehorning yourself into a point guard only role. I'd cross him off my board.
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Post#2308 » by G R E Y » Fri May 24, 2024 6:30 pm

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HadAnEffectHere wrote:Castle refusing to play SG in the NBA, will only work out for teams without a PG.

Trying very hard to steer himself to San Antonio, with the Jazz as his only fallback.


:lol: It irks me when mediocre prospects try to dictate terms like this. You aren't Steve Francis. And now you're trying to compete with Sheppard, Dillingham, Topic by shoehorning yourself into a point guard only role. I'd cross him off my board.

Perhaps that's the goal. A means of ensuring he goes to only a handful of teams he wants. Once there, he may be more amenable. If not, I agree, it's not the best strategy in terms of how it may come across.
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Post#2309 » by Catchall » Fri May 24, 2024 8:20 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:Reed Sheppard was a reserve in college. Is there much of a positive history of drafting college reserves in the lottery? Dion Waiters and Marvin Williams were drafted off of the bench of college teams in the lottery, and so was Zach LaVine, although at the back end of it.


Devin Booker in 2015 came off the bench for a pretty stacked UK team.
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Post#2310 » by Catchall » Fri May 24, 2024 8:21 pm

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HadAnEffectHere wrote:Castle refusing to play SG in the NBA, will only work out for teams without a PG.

Trying very hard to steer himself to San Antonio, with the Jazz as his only fallback.


:lol: It irks me when mediocre prospects try to dictate terms like this. You aren't Steve Francis. And now you're trying to compete with Sheppard, Dillingham, Topic by shoehorning yourself into a point guard only role. I'd cross him off my board.


I think this is a thinly-veiled attempt to get to San Antonio. Castle isn't good enough off the dribble and isn't a good enough shooter to really play point guard full time.
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Post#2311 » by amcoolio » Fri May 24, 2024 8:25 pm

This is like Isaac Okoro declaring himself to be a point guard during his lead up to the draft. Hilarious

Stephon my man, point guards who can't/don't shoot can't play in the NBA. You're agent is feeding you terrible information
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Post#2312 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri May 24, 2024 8:50 pm

amcoolio wrote:This is like Isaac Okoro declaring himself to be a point guard during his lead up to the draft. Hilarious

Stephon my man, point guards who can't/don't shoot can't play in the NBA. You're agent is feeding you terrible information


That's actually a position where you can hide a non shooter like Rondo, Ben Simmons, T.J. McConnell, Westbrook, and Wall.
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Post#2313 » by zike_42 » Fri May 24, 2024 10:47 pm

Never in the history of the NBA draft has three international players been picked #1,2,3. There have been a few drafts with two (most recent being 2018 with Ayton (Bahamas) and Doncic (Slovenia)) being picked in the top three but never all three. What are the odds that Sarr, Topic and Risacher are the first three names called?
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Post#2314 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri May 24, 2024 10:52 pm

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amcoolio wrote:This is like Isaac Okoro declaring himself to be a point guard during his lead up to the draft. Hilarious

Stephon my man, point guards who can't/don't shoot can't play in the NBA. You're agent is feeding you terrible information


That's actually a position where you can hide a non shooter like Rondo, Ben Simmons, T.J. McConnell, Westbrook, and Wall.


Three of those five players mentioned are 3 of the best athletes in NBA history.

I really do not want anyone comparing Russell Westbrook to Steph Castle.

Castle's speed with the ball is sooooooo slooooooow.
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Post#2315 » by HadAnEffectHere » Fri May 24, 2024 11:50 pm

According to Givony, Ware actually interviewed well at the combine, shocking teams.

Collier doesn't seem to want to play against other prospects which seems like... a really bad idea.

Kyle F apparently bombed combine interviews and could slip.
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Post#2316 » by jman3134 » Fri May 24, 2024 11:55 pm

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jman3134 wrote:Explain to me in what universe N'Faly Dante is not a first round pick?


who says he's not? a lot of people have him in the 20-30 range.

but really he's old as hell, can't shoot and can't even hit his FTs. hard ceiling on how high they can go in the draft.


Every "expert" mock I have seen. Elite mobility and defensive potential. Uber efficient finisher who can extend his range in faceup. Injury concerns are what is holding him back.
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Post#2317 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat May 25, 2024 12:27 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
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amcoolio wrote:This is like Isaac Okoro declaring himself to be a point guard during his lead up to the draft. Hilarious

Stephon my man, point guards who can't/don't shoot can't play in the NBA. You're agent is feeding you terrible information


That's actually a position where you can hide a non shooter like Rondo, Ben Simmons, T.J. McConnell, Westbrook, and Wall.


Three of those five players mentioned are 3 of the best athletes in NBA history.

I really do not want anyone comparing Russell Westbrook to Steph Castle.

Castle's speed with the ball is sooooooo slooooooow.


It's very common for non shooters to be hidden/positioned at PG, like Evan Turner his last season in Portland and Dejounte Murray in San Antonio.
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Post#2318 » by CptCrunch » Sat May 25, 2024 12:32 am

HadAnEffectHere wrote:According to Givony, Ware actually interviewed well at the combine, shocking teams.

Collier doesn't seem to want to play against other prospects which seems like... a really bad idea.

Kyle F apparently bombed combine interviews and could slip.


Typical fake news being spread pre-draft. Nothing is ever real right now. These reporters help team spread fudge so they can be fed insider intel during rest of the year.

You like the prospect? No incentive to tell others.

You don't like the prospect? Why spread bad news to burn bridges with agents. Plus why tell other teams this player is bad. Let other teams fall into pits.
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Post#2319 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sat May 25, 2024 12:46 am

SelfishPlayer wrote:
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That's actually a position where you can hide a non shooter like Rondo, Ben Simmons, T.J. McConnell, Westbrook, and Wall.


Three of those five players mentioned are 3 of the best athletes in NBA history.

I really do not want anyone comparing Russell Westbrook to Steph Castle.

Castle's speed with the ball is sooooooo slooooooow.


It's very common for non shooters to be hidden/positioned at PG, like Evan Turner his last season in Portland and Dejounte Murray in San Antonio.


We just had a very good example of how 8/10 athletes who can't shoot work in the NBA playoffs these days when playing PG.

Westbrook was uhhhhh, extremely bad.
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Post#2320 » by clyde21 » Sat May 25, 2024 1:13 am

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HadAnEffectHere wrote:According to Givony, Ware actually interviewed well at the combine, shocking teams.

Collier doesn't seem to want to play against other prospects which seems like... a really bad idea.

Kyle F apparently bombed combine interviews and could slip.


Typical fake news being spread pre-draft. Nothing is ever real right now. These reporters help team spread fudge so they can be fed insider intel during rest of the year.

You like the prospect? No incentive to tell others.

You don't like the prospect? Why spread bad news to burn bridges with agents. Plus why tell other teams this player is bad. Let other teams fall into pits.


yep, all smokescreens, misdirection, etc...i'd tune out like 95% of what comes out from now until the draft, good or bad
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