Dennis Smith Jr

[Kolkmania]

Thats why I dont have him right there with Fultz/Ball/JJ but this isn't true if we are talking Tatum or Fox. He is going to be better on-ball than either of them and both have the same issues off-ball.

On-ball he's probably better than Ball, Tatum and Jackson (not sure about Fox). An overlooked part is his percentage unassisted jumpers. More than half of his 3 point makes and only 1(!) of his 32 mid range jumpers were unassisted. That's huge especially since he's converted them at a respectable rate (35+% from three for the season).

However, he disappointed me this season. I knew he played in a bad environment this season, poor roster and even worse coach, but he's shown zero leadership throughout the season. As a PG that's a huge flag to me, especially since he'll demand a lot of usage with his playingstyle.
Secondly, I'm still quite underwhelmed with his ability to turn the corner and shift gears in the halfcourt. Perhaps he's not even 100% healed from his ACL injury, but I haven't seen enough high school footage of DSJ to accurately compare.

He can turn the corner better but I don't think that was a ACL thing. I think that was a keeping it all in check thing. He didn't give the full DSJ arsenal this year which I hated to see. Only thing he couldn't fully showcase so he didn't fully showcase was his bounce. There's another level to his explosion. The rest he just keep hinged for some reason. Felt like he did enough to protect his stock and secure his future. That's what it feels like his goal was this year. He gave you enough undeniable performances to not be completely over looked by his counterparts. IMO the only one it didn't work with was Ball. But I think he shocked quite a few people with his transition. Don't think DSJ had enough coming into the year regardless to stop the Fultz train and I haven't had anybody over JJ all year.

Spent the last two hours watching somewhat raw high school footage of Dennis Smith jr, what stands out to me he had very similar attitude on the defensive end as with NC State. Takes some pride with defending on-ball, but completely disinterested off-ball. Leaves people completely open, no box-outs and bad body language.

Offensively he's up there with Fultz imo, so rare to play the P&R so calm and yet so crafty at that age. Just really worried about his intangibles, think this limits him to a Damian Lillard type of player instead of truly great point guards like Chris Paul.

[SBM]

I didn't see much in him when I watched him play but his production is bordering great for a freshman. Thus, he is someone I would draft.

[Darth Magic]

Thoughts on Smith vs Fox?

Both are good, but i prefer Smith

[KF10]

I like DSJ but his tunnel vision, over-dribbling, and (lack of) defensive effort are his glaring holes that may hold him back as far as his potential goes.

[RookieStar]

I think for me the better comparison should be.. DSJ vs Monk? Who is better?

[GimmeDat]

I think for me the better comparison should be.. DSJ vs Monk? Who is better?

Personally, I'd take DSJ 10 times out of 10 over Monk, if fit's not a consideration.

[RookieStar]

I think for me the better comparison should be.. DSJ vs Monk? Who is better?

Personally, I'd take DSJ 10 times out of 10 over Monk, if fit's not a consideration.

Even with the injury history and all?

[GimmeDat]

I think for me the better comparison should be.. DSJ vs Monk? Who is better?

Personally, I'd take DSJ 10 times out of 10 over Monk, if fit's not a consideration.

Even with the injury history and all?

It's not a major concern to me, he seems to have bounced back from it all really well. That said, it is a good point to make. All things considered they're pretty close.

[doordoor123]

Personally, I'd take DSJ 10 times out of 10 over Monk, if fit's not a consideration.

Even with the injury history and all?

It's not a major concern to me, he seems to have bounced back from it all really well. That said, it is a good point to make. All things considered they're pretty close.

Malik Monk has higher upside and floor IMO. I DO kind of see Monk as a SG instead of a PG even if he can run the P&R. i still think he could be one of two types of player. A big scorer that can score as much as someone like Kyrie Irving or just a good scorer that can score as much as Jamal Crawford can. IMO both are pretty good.

Not to say Smith isn't good, but I'm just not as sure how his game will translate to the NBA.

[CptCrunch]

Even with the injury history and all?

It's not a major concern to me, he seems to have bounced back from it all really well. That said, it is a good point to make. All things considered they're pretty close.

Malik Monk has higher upside and floor IMO. I DO kind of see Monk as a SG instead of a PG even if he can run the P&R. i still think he could be one of two types of player. A big scorer that can score as much as someone like Kyrie Irving or just a good scorer that can score as much as Jamal Crawford can. IMO both are pretty good.

Not to say Smith isn't good, but I'm just not as sure how his game will translate to the NBA.

Monk is the most overrated prospect in years.

He is an undersized SG with 0 handles. He will NEVER play PG in the league unless his handle improve drastically. Even if he develops PG handles, his vision is non-existent. He is a 6'2" SG with a 6'3" wingspan. You can't point to one success case in the NBA for someone with uniquely (bad) set of skills and length.

No he can't be Irving or Jamal. People accuse Irving of a PG, but he has the best handles in the league, and his vision is at least vision is at least 5x better than Monk's. Jamal doesn't have point guard vision but that boy has the ball on a string. Monk doesn't even have NBA 2-guard level handles right now.

[sikma42]

It's not a major concern to me, he seems to have bounced back from it all really well. That said, it is a good point to make. All things considered they're pretty close.

Malik Monk has higher upside and floor IMO. I DO kind of see Monk as a SG instead of a PG even if he can run the P&R. i still think he could be one of two types of player. A big scorer that can score as much as someone like Kyrie Irving or just a good scorer that can score as much as Jamal Crawford can. IMO both are pretty good.

Not to say Smith isn't good, but I'm just not as sure how his game will translate to the NBA.

Monk is the most overrated prospect in years.

He is an undersized SG with 0 handles. He will NEVER play PG in the league unless his handle improve drastically. Even if he develops PG handles, his vision is non-existent. He is a 6'2" SG with a 6'3" wingspan. You can't point to one success case in the NBA for someone with uniquely (bad) set of skills and length.

No he can't be Irving or Jamal. People accuse Irving of a PG, but he has the best handles in the league, and his vision is at least vision is at least 5x better than Monk's. Jamal doesn't have point guard vision but that boy has the ball on a string. Monk doesn't even have NBA 2-guard level handles right now.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Malik-Monk-7243/

wingspan measurement seems off. Also, Ben Gordon had similar measurements and had a good career. However, he did have a better handle in college

[doordoor123]

It's not a major concern to me, he seems to have bounced back from it all really well. That said, it is a good point to make. All things considered they're pretty close.

Malik Monk has higher upside and floor IMO. I DO kind of see Monk as a SG instead of a PG even if he can run the P&R. i still think he could be one of two types of player. A big scorer that can score as much as someone like Kyrie Irving or just a good scorer that can score as much as Jamal Crawford can. IMO both are pretty good.

Not to say Smith isn't good, but I'm just not as sure how his game will translate to the NBA.

Monk is the most overrated prospect in years.

He is an undersized SG with 0 handles. He will NEVER play PG in the league unless his handle improve drastically. Even if he develops PG handles, his vision is non-existent. He is a 6'2" SG with a 6'3" wingspan. You can't point to one success case in the NBA for someone with uniquely (bad) set of skills and length.

No he can't be Irving or Jamal. People accuse Irving of a PG, but he has the best handles in the league, and his vision is at least vision is at least 5x better than Monk's. Jamal doesn't have point guard vision but that boy has the ball on a string. Monk doesn't even have NBA 2-guard level handles right now.

I'm not saying he will be either Irving or Jamal, I'm saying he could put up just as many points. I also think you're underrating his ability. Zach LaVine doesn't have a strong handle, doesn't do well at PG, yet he can score just as much as those other guys. I'm not saying he's LaVine either, but if he reaches his upside he could be better. His jumpshot is hard to guard because he jumps so high and has a high release. If his shot can go in consistently he could ideally be as good as Curry in terms of getting his shot off. I think it's unlikely, but it's definitely a possibility. I also think even though he doesn't have a strong handle, he's crafty and can find ways to get his shot off.

He's also 19 and his passing ability could get much better in time. He even said in one of his interviews that he wants to show in the NBA he'll have more space and it'll be easier for him to run the P&R, and if teams start to respect his shot, it might be much easier for him.

[Duke4life831]

Even with the injury history and all?

It's not a major concern to me, he seems to have bounced back from it all really well. That said, it is a good point to make. All things considered they're pretty close.

Malik Monk has higher upside and floor IMO. I DO kind of see Monk as a SG instead of a PG even if he can run the P&R. i still think he could be one of two types of player. A big scorer that can score as much as someone like Kyrie Irving or just a good scorer that can score as much as Jamal Crawford can. IMO both are pretty good.

Not to say Smith isn't good, but I'm just not as sure how his game will translate to the NBA.

What do Kyrie and Jamal have in common? Those 2 names will popup in the top 5 or at least the top 10 best handles to ever play in the NBA. Monk does not have that. That is a massive massive thing when it comes to the NBA. Kyrie was also the much better shooter coming out of college. Yes his season was cut short, but he still played a stacked schedule in his small amount of games and in those games Kyrie shot 52/46/90. Monk shot 39% from 3 and 82% from the line. I am no way saying that is bad, but its not nearly the same level of efficiency as Kyrie and again, his handles are nowhere near Kyrie's or Crawfords. If Monk had handles like DSJ, then yes I would have him above DSJ, but his handles arent even close to DSJ's.

[CptCrunch]

Malik Monk has higher upside and floor IMO. I DO kind of see Monk as a SG instead of a PG even if he can run the P&R. i still think he could be one of two types of player. A big scorer that can score as much as someone like Kyrie Irving or just a good scorer that can score as much as Jamal Crawford can. IMO both are pretty good.

Not to say Smith isn't good, but I'm just not as sure how his game will translate to the NBA.

Monk is the most overrated prospect in years.

He is an undersized SG with 0 handles. He will NEVER play PG in the league unless his handle improve drastically. Even if he develops PG handles, his vision is non-existent. He is a 6'2" SG with a 6'3" wingspan. You can't point to one success case in the NBA for someone with uniquely (bad) set of skills and length.

No he can't be Irving or Jamal. People accuse Irving of a PG, but he has the best handles in the league, and his vision is at least vision is at least 5x better than Monk's. Jamal doesn't have point guard vision but that boy has the ball on a string. Monk doesn't even have NBA 2-guard level handles right now.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Malik-Monk-7243/

wingspan measurement seems off. Also, Ben Gordon had similar measurements and had a good career. However, he did have a better handle in college

Go reach for that Gordon ceiling. Or that LaVine ceiling while I try to draft DSJ with actual superstar potential. There has been no precedent for someone with Monk's profile becoming a top 10 player in the league. Ever.

[doordoor123]

It's not a major concern to me, he seems to have bounced back from it all really well. That said, it is a good point to make. All things considered they're pretty close.

Malik Monk has higher upside and floor IMO. I DO kind of see Monk as a SG instead of a PG even if he can run the P&R. i still think he could be one of two types of player. A big scorer that can score as much as someone like Kyrie Irving or just a good scorer that can score as much as Jamal Crawford can. IMO both are pretty good.

Not to say Smith isn't good, but I'm just not as sure how his game will translate to the NBA.

What do Kyrie and Jamal have in common? Those 2 names will popup in the top 5 or at least the top 10 best handles to ever play in the NBA. Monk does not have that. That is a massive massive thing when it comes to the NBA. Kyrie was also the much better shooter coming out of college. Yes his season was cut short, but he still played a stacked schedule in his small amount of games and in those games Kyrie shot 52/46/90. Monk shot 39% from 3 and 82% from the line. I am no way saying that is bad, but its not nearly the same level of efficiency as Kyrie and again, his handles are nowhere near Kyrie's or Crawfords. If Monk had handles like DSJ, then yes I would have him above DSJ, but his handles arent even close to DSJ's.

I never said Monk would be anything like them, but he can put up the same kind of NUMBERS.

[doordoor123]

Monk is the most overrated prospect in years.

He is an undersized SG with 0 handles. He will NEVER play PG in the league unless his handle improve drastically. Even if he develops PG handles, his vision is non-existent. He is a 6'2" SG with a 6'3" wingspan. You can't point to one success case in the NBA for someone with uniquely (bad) set of skills and length.

No he can't be Irving or Jamal. People accuse Irving of a PG, but he has the best handles in the league, and his vision is at least vision is at least 5x better than Monk's. Jamal doesn't have point guard vision but that boy has the ball on a string. Monk doesn't even have NBA 2-guard level handles right now.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Malik-Monk-7243/

wingspan measurement seems off. Also, Ben Gordon had similar measurements and had a good career. However, he did have a better handle in college

Go reach for that Gordon ceiling. Or that LaVine ceiling while I try to draft DSJ with actual superstar potential. There has been no precedent for someone with Monk's profile becoming a top 10 player in the league. Ever.

You can say that with 50% of the players in the NBA. Each player is an individual. No one is the same. You can talk about players that have failed with the same attributes as superstars too.

[Duke4life831]

Malik Monk has higher upside and floor IMO. I DO kind of see Monk as a SG instead of a PG even if he can run the P&R. i still think he could be one of two types of player. A big scorer that can score as much as someone like Kyrie Irving or just a good scorer that can score as much as Jamal Crawford can. IMO both are pretty good.

Not to say Smith isn't good, but I'm just not as sure how his game will translate to the NBA.

What do Kyrie and Jamal have in common? Those 2 names will popup in the top 5 or at least the top 10 best handles to ever play in the NBA. Monk does not have that. That is a massive massive thing when it comes to the NBA. Kyrie was also the much better shooter coming out of college. Yes his season was cut short, but he still played a stacked schedule in his small amount of games and in those games Kyrie shot 52/46/90. Monk shot 39% from 3 and 82% from the line. I am no way saying that is bad, but its not nearly the same level of efficiency as Kyrie and again, his handles are nowhere near Kyrie's or Crawfords. If Monk had handles like DSJ, then yes I would have him above DSJ, but his handles arent even close to DSJ's.

I never said Monk would be anything like them, but he can put up the same kind of NUMBERS.

My question is how? How is a 6'3 guard that doesn't have good handles and is a good but not great shooter going to put up Kyrie numbers of 25/6 on 47/40/90 shooting?

[doordoor123]

What do Kyrie and Jamal have in common? Those 2 names will popup in the top 5 or at least the top 10 best handles to ever play in the NBA. Monk does not have that. That is a massive massive thing when it comes to the NBA. Kyrie was also the much better shooter coming out of college. Yes his season was cut short, but he still played a stacked schedule in his small amount of games and in those games Kyrie shot 52/46/90. Monk shot 39% from 3 and 82% from the line. I am no way saying that is bad, but its not nearly the same level of efficiency as Kyrie and again, his handles are nowhere near Kyrie's or Crawfords. If Monk had handles like DSJ, then yes I would have him above DSJ, but his handles arent even close to DSJ's.

I never said Monk would be anything like them, but he can put up the same kind of NUMBERS.

My question is how? How is a 6'3 guard that doesn't have good handles and is a good but not great shooter going to put up Kyrie numbers of 25/6 on 47/40/90 shooting?

As I said, his jumper.

[toussaud]

monk has one thing working in his favor.. he is an elite, elite, athlete. he's not just a spot up shooter. i would even go so far as to say he's a better athlete than lavine. lavine has nba dunk contest hops. monk has dunk off the backboard in the middle of a NBA game athletic abilty. monk will have zeroi issues getting his shot off that mjuch i caqn prolmise you so i don't really care about his wing span. his athletic ability makes up for it

but he's not a point guard. he needs to go to a very very specific team with a point guard that can create for others and who is tall who can guard shooting guards so that monk can guard point guards. he really fits well in both philly and the bucks

[OrlandoDream]

If the draft were tomorrow, Magic would take DSJr at the 6th. We still have Tatum, Monk, And Isaac to bring in for workouts but as of right now, I think Lloyd heavily leaning towards DSJr being our pick. He checks the boxes for multiple things this team lacks.