Josh Giddey - 6'8 Aussie PG

[DCasey91]

Are we sure Raps won't just take Giddey at 4? I know that sounds crazy and surely they'd try to move back before doing that but between their Australia visit, Giddey shutting everything down early, Raps team needs, and the fact that I see no reason why Suggs would have a higher floor or ceiling, Giddey seems like a decent bet to be their guy.

Cmon now Jalen Suggs is now getting underrated if that’s the case. Jalen Suggs has what Giddey has except he has legitimate defensive impact. Not to mention he’s a superb athlete and a better scorer something Giddey isn’t.

Jalen is a great passer too saw it all the great passes like with Giddey so there isn’t enough of a difference and that’s Giddey’s main calling card.

Jalen pops when you watch him. Like pre rookie Jason Kidd playstyle.

He does?

Giddey is 6'9". Suggs is 6'4"

Giddey is 18. Suggs is 19.

Suggs is more ball dominant, as he posted as usage rate of 24.8%, compared to Giddey with a usage rate of 19.5%

Despite having a much lower usage rate, Giddey still managed to have a much higher assist rate of 36.3%, compared to Suggs with an assist rate of 23.7% ....despite the fact that Giddey faced superior competition in the NBL compared to what Suggs faced in the weak West Coast Conference.

Sounds like a solid case for Giddey being a better prospect. Obviously Suggs is quicker, more athletic, better handle better shooting (not a huge gap here) and better defense, but is it enough to compensate for the advantages Giddey has?

IDK, I think you could debate it either way..

I’ll be honest I’m an Aussie and I like Giddey a lot. But watching both I have Jalen well ahead. Giddey isn’t a better prospect.

Giddey has one tool in his disposable that’s very translatable (passing) and the height not size is an adv.

Suggs is definitely multi faceted so the variety is in Suggs favor as well.

I’ll say it again on my final assessment between the two Jalen is a lot closer to Jason Kidd then Giddey is to Lamelo if that makes sense.

With Suggs when he was on I basically saw the full monty of an NBA quality starting PG. I saw all the passes from Suggs that was better then excellent so I pay no mind to stats, I trust my eyes way more.

I mean on this forum everyone and their mother knows the Jazz are paper tigers even though they were ranked all year elite in offense and defense.

The eyes never lie. Giddey can be too alluring to some teams but he has more question marks imo.

I see All Star potential in Suggs, I see a good player in Giddey.

It’s just asking way too much of a prospect to hit all his markers to the max.

Once again I hope he doesn’t get too reliant on his passing and height adv. Giddey is too smart for that.

[Onus]

Does anyone think that Giddey could end up being an above avg scorer off the dribble? Like would he be able to attack mismatches small or big? His lack of athleticism and handles seems to be quite an hindrance for his ceiling.

[GimmeDat]

Suggs > Giddey pretty comfortably, imo. And as you all know, I like Giddey.

[zimpy27]

Does anyone think that Giddey could end up being an above avg scorer off the dribble? Like would he be able to attack mismatches small or big? His lack of athleticism and handles seems to be quite an hindrance for his ceiling.

His handles and athleticism are solid. He will be able to attack mismatches. Watch LaMelo's film vs Giddey's film, he's not as fast and flashy as LaMelo but he definitely seems more controlled and gets past defenders too.
Lamelo and Giddey have pretty much the same stats in trb, ast, stl/blk in per 36 minute numbers. LaMelo took twice as many shots but had a TS% of 46% while Giddey was at 51%. Efficiency difference could be explained by volume but it is also worth noting that Giddey was in a more team-centric environment whereas LaMelo was given the reigns a lot more to just show out.

[Big J]

How does Giddey compare to a post knee injury Shaun Livingston?

[Onus]

Does anyone think that Giddey could end up being an above avg scorer off the dribble? Like would he be able to attack mismatches small or big? His lack of athleticism and handles seems to be quite an hindrance for his ceiling.

His handles and athleticism are solid. He will be able to attack mismatches. Watch LaMelo's film vs Giddey's film, he's not as fast and flashy as LaMelo but he definitely seems more controlled and gets past defenders too.
Lamelo and Giddey have pretty much the same stats in trb, ast, stl/blk in per 36 minute numbers. LaMelo took twice as many shots but had a TS% of 46% while Giddey was at 51%. Efficiency difference could be explained by volume but it is also worth noting that Giddey was in a more team-centric environment whereas LaMelo was given the reigns a lot more to just show out.

I know everyone is all in on Lamelo but I still have doubts about his game. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. He's going to be a no 1 type option. But is he really going to be able to beat defenders 1 on 1 in the playoffs? I don't see it. I have the same reservations about Giddey. Well even if they're not a no 1 option they can still be good right? Neither really project to be good off the ball players so if they have to play with a better scorer what are they really going to do when that scorer has the ball? They also aren't great defenders either even with their size. I think the floor is really high for these 2 players, but what is the actual ceiling for team building with these type of players?

[zimpy27]

Does anyone think that Giddey could end up being an above avg scorer off the dribble? Like would he be able to attack mismatches small or big? His lack of athleticism and handles seems to be quite an hindrance for his ceiling.

His handles and athleticism are solid. He will be able to attack mismatches. Watch LaMelo's film vs Giddey's film, he's not as fast and flashy as LaMelo but he definitely seems more controlled and gets past defenders too.
Lamelo and Giddey have pretty much the same stats in trb, ast, stl/blk in per 36 minute numbers. LaMelo took twice as many shots but had a TS% of 46% while Giddey was at 51%. Efficiency difference could be explained by volume but it is also worth noting that Giddey was in a more team-centric environment whereas LaMelo was given the reigns a lot more to just show out.

I know everyone is all in on Lamelo but I still have doubts about his game. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. He's going to be a no 1 type option. But is he really going to be able to beat defenders 1 on 1 in the playoffs? I don't see it. I have the same reservations about Giddey. Well even if they're not a no 1 option they can still be good right? Neither really project to be good off the ball players so if they have to play with a better scorer what are they really going to do when that scorer has the ball? They also aren't great defenders either even with their size. I think the floor is really high for these 2 players, but what is the actual ceiling for team building with these type of players?

Yeah, the floor is high but ceiling is questionable. I understand the logic and agree with it.
Though I think both Giddey and LaMelo would have advantages in playoffs. I think their size for their position is pretty important for playoff ball. They will still be hard to guard when shooting on the perimeter for smaller guards and they can grab boards.
IQ will be a big part of their ceiling.

[Onus]

His handles and athleticism are solid. He will be able to attack mismatches. Watch LaMelo's film vs Giddey's film, he's not as fast and flashy as LaMelo but he definitely seems more controlled and gets past defenders too.
Lamelo and Giddey have pretty much the same stats in trb, ast, stl/blk in per 36 minute numbers. LaMelo took twice as many shots but had a TS% of 46% while Giddey was at 51%. Efficiency difference could be explained by volume but it is also worth noting that Giddey was in a more team-centric environment whereas LaMelo was given the reigns a lot more to just show out.

I know everyone is all in on Lamelo but I still have doubts about his game. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. He's going to be a no 1 type option. But is he really going to be able to beat defenders 1 on 1 in the playoffs? I don't see it. I have the same reservations about Giddey. Well even if they're not a no 1 option they can still be good right? Neither really project to be good off the ball players so if they have to play with a better scorer what are they really going to do when that scorer has the ball? They also aren't great defenders either even with their size. I think the floor is really high for these 2 players, but what is the actual ceiling for team building with these type of players?

Yeah, the floor is high but ceiling is questionable. I understand the logic and agree with it.
Though I think both Giddey and LaMelo would have advantages in playoffs. I think their size for their position is pretty important for playoff ball. They will still be hard to guard when shooting on the perimeter for smaller guards and they can grab boards.
IQ will be a big part of their ceiling.

For the most part they'll probably be able to win a series or 2 because some team doesn't have the personnel to switch everything and not have a defensive liability on the floor. In the Conference Finals though that usually disappears and I don't think Giddey or Lamelo have an advantage that they'll be able to rely on to get good shots consistently. That's why I'm curious as to what people think of Giddey's scoring ability and what that ceiling really is. Because in the end teams are going to know all your plays and all your tricks, you need that superstar that has some type of special ability that they can rely on consistently no matter the defense. I'm just not sure their scoring abilities are resilient enough.

[zimpy27]

I know everyone is all in on Lamelo but I still have doubts about his game. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective. He's going to be a no 1 type option. But is he really going to be able to beat defenders 1 on 1 in the playoffs? I don't see it. I have the same reservations about Giddey. Well even if they're not a no 1 option they can still be good right? Neither really project to be good off the ball players so if they have to play with a better scorer what are they really going to do when that scorer has the ball? They also aren't great defenders either even with their size. I think the floor is really high for these 2 players, but what is the actual ceiling for team building with these type of players?

Yeah, the floor is high but ceiling is questionable. I understand the logic and agree with it.
Though I think both Giddey and LaMelo would have advantages in playoffs. I think their size for their position is pretty important for playoff ball. They will still be hard to guard when shooting on the perimeter for smaller guards and they can grab boards.
IQ will be a big part of their ceiling.

For the most part they'll probably be able to win a series or 2 because some team doesn't have the personnel to switch everything and not have a defensive liability on the floor. In the Conference Finals though that usually disappears and I don't think Giddey or Lamelo have an advantage that they'll be able to rely on to get good shots consistently. That's why I'm curious as to what people think of Giddey's scoring ability and what that ceiling really is. Because in the end teams are going to know all your plays and all your tricks, you need that superstar that has some type of special ability that they can rely on consistently no matter the defense. I'm just not sure their scoring abilities are resilient enough.

I think both have a drive game where they can finish or pull up (LaMelo has a floater). The pull up will be useful for playoffs in the midrange, it's always been gold when drive lines to the rim get cut.

What your asking is do they have the one superstar skill where an NBA player has offensive moves that can't really be stopped? We all know they are going to go to these moves but they are so good that there's nothing that can be done.
I think that's a hard question to ask of playmakers because you can stop them scoring but doesn't mean you can stop their impact on the offense. As long as they are providing flow to an offense with movement and their passing threat then they will always be able to impact a game positively.
LaMelo has his step back jumper for taking over in the 4th but don't think Giddey has that yet. Down the stretch of a playoff game, there are limitations on them both being able to consistently get buckets. So that is probably the limit on the ceiling you are referring to.
Doncic had these same question marks, IQ and lower body strength win out. Giddey has a solid lower frame. That might be a key to his success.

[Onus]

Yeah, the floor is high but ceiling is questionable. I understand the logic and agree with it.
Though I think both Giddey and LaMelo would have advantages in playoffs. I think their size for their position is pretty important for playoff ball. They will still be hard to guard when shooting on the perimeter for smaller guards and they can grab boards.
IQ will be a big part of their ceiling.

For the most part they'll probably be able to win a series or 2 because some team doesn't have the personnel to switch everything and not have a defensive liability on the floor. In the Conference Finals though that usually disappears and I don't think Giddey or Lamelo have an advantage that they'll be able to rely on to get good shots consistently. That's why I'm curious as to what people think of Giddey's scoring ability and what that ceiling really is. Because in the end teams are going to know all your plays and all your tricks, you need that superstar that has some type of special ability that they can rely on consistently no matter the defense. I'm just not sure their scoring abilities are resilient enough.

I think both have a drive game where they can finish or pull up (LaMelo has a floater). The pull up will be useful for playoffs in the midrange, it's always been gold when drive lines to the rim get cut.

What your asking is do they have the one superstar skill where an NBA player has offensive moves that can't really be stopped? We all know they are going to go to these moves but they are so good that there's nothing that can be done.
I think that's a hard question to ask of playmakers because you can stop them scoring but doesn't mean you can stop their impact on the offense. As long as they are providing flow to an offense with movement and their passing threat then they will always be able to impact a game positively.
LaMelo has his step back jumper for taking over in the 4th but don't think Giddey has that yet. Down the stretch of a playoff game, there are limitations on them both being able to consistently get buckets. So that is probably the limit on the ceiling you are referring to.
Doncic had these same question marks, IQ and lower body strength win out. Giddey has a solid lower frame. That might be a key to his success.

Thanks that’s interesting about Giddey. I’ll have to take another look through that lens.

Last year I talked myself into Deni’s outlier ability being his size for a wing and if he could find a way to bully his way into the paint he’d be able to bounce people off with his sheer size. So I’ll see if I can envision Giddey’s lower body can provide some type of advantage.

[zimpy27]

For the most part they'll probably be able to win a series or 2 because some team doesn't have the personnel to switch everything and not have a defensive liability on the floor. In the Conference Finals though that usually disappears and I don't think Giddey or Lamelo have an advantage that they'll be able to rely on to get good shots consistently. That's why I'm curious as to what people think of Giddey's scoring ability and what that ceiling really is. Because in the end teams are going to know all your plays and all your tricks, you need that superstar that has some type of special ability that they can rely on consistently no matter the defense. I'm just not sure their scoring abilities are resilient enough.

I think both have a drive game where they can finish or pull up (LaMelo has a floater). The pull up will be useful for playoffs in the midrange, it's always been gold when drive lines to the rim get cut.

What your asking is do they have the one superstar skill where an NBA player has offensive moves that can't really be stopped? We all know they are going to go to these moves but they are so good that there's nothing that can be done.
I think that's a hard question to ask of playmakers because you can stop them scoring but doesn't mean you can stop their impact on the offense. As long as they are providing flow to an offense with movement and their passing threat then they will always be able to impact a game positively.
LaMelo has his step back jumper for taking over in the 4th but don't think Giddey has that yet. Down the stretch of a playoff game, there are limitations on them both being able to consistently get buckets. So that is probably the limit on the ceiling you are referring to.
Doncic had these same question marks, IQ and lower body strength win out. Giddey has a solid lower frame. That might be a key to his success.

Thanks that’s interesting about Giddey. I’ll have to take another look through that lens.

Last year I talked myself into Deni’s outlier ability being his size for a wing and if he could find a way to bully his way into the paint he’d be able to bounce people off with his sheer size. So I’ll see if I can envision Giddey’s lower body can provide some type of advantage.

I mean, he won't be Doncic, he was a prodigy at a young age. Giddey is more likely to be Evan Turner or Joe Ingles.

[Onus]

I think both have a drive game where they can finish or pull up (LaMelo has a floater). The pull up will be useful for playoffs in the midrange, it's always been gold when drive lines to the rim get cut.

What your asking is do they have the one superstar skill where an NBA player has offensive moves that can't really be stopped? We all know they are going to go to these moves but they are so good that there's nothing that can be done.
I think that's a hard question to ask of playmakers because you can stop them scoring but doesn't mean you can stop their impact on the offense. As long as they are providing flow to an offense with movement and their passing threat then they will always be able to impact a game positively.
LaMelo has his step back jumper for taking over in the 4th but don't think Giddey has that yet. Down the stretch of a playoff game, there are limitations on them both being able to consistently get buckets. So that is probably the limit on the ceiling you are referring to.
Doncic had these same question marks, IQ and lower body strength win out. Giddey has a solid lower frame. That might be a key to his success.

Thanks that’s interesting about Giddey. I’ll have to take another look through that lens.

Last year I talked myself into Deni’s outlier ability being his size for a wing and if he could find a way to bully his way into the paint he’d be able to bounce people off with his sheer size. So I’ll see if I can envision Giddey’s lower body can provide some type of advantage.

I mean, he won't be Doncic, he was a prodigy at a young age. Giddey is more likely to be Evan Turner or Joe Ingles.

Yea I know you didn’t mean he has doncic upside. For stars though they need that outlier ability and I’m curious if lower body strength can be something that maybe Giddey can use.

[Big J]

Giddey to the Dubs makes a lot of sense. They need more ball handling and passing.

[VCfor3]

Granted we have been linked to anyone in the likely 6-10 range, but given the Giddey report how does everyone see a possible Ja/Giddey pairing? Will there be enough shooting? Are both good enough off-ball to compliment each other?

[Nate the Great]

Giddey to the Dubs makes a lot of sense. They need more ball handling and passing.

What the Warriors need most is another guy who can create his own shot, and that isn’t Giddey. The Warriors already have a starting point guard and point forward, so passing is not their greatest need.

[Hal14]

Giddey to the Dubs makes a lot of sense. They need more ball handling and passing.

What the Warriors need most is another guy who can create his own shot, and that isn’t Giddey. The Warriors already have a starting point guard and point forward, so passing is not their greatest need.

So you want Bouknight I assume

[Big J]

Giddey to the Dubs makes a lot of sense. They need more ball handling and passing.

What the Warriors need most is another guy who can create his own shot, and that isn’t Giddey. The Warriors already have a starting point guard and point forward, so passing is not their greatest need.

They tried getting a guy who could create his own shot in Oubre, unfortunately he was a black hole. We need a guy who plays smart Warriors basketball. That means scoring and passing.

[Nate the Great]

Giddey to the Dubs makes a lot of sense. They need more ball handling and passing.

What the Warriors need most is another guy who can create his own shot, and that isn’t Giddey. The Warriors already have a starting point guard and point forward, so passing is not their greatest need.

They tried getting a guy who could create his own shot in Oubre, unfortunately he was a black hole. We need a guy who plays smart Warriors basketball. That means scoring and passing.

And Giddey is great at passing, but a poor scorer. And worse still at shooting and defense.

[Big J]

What the Warriors need most is another guy who can create his own shot, and that isn’t Giddey. The Warriors already have a starting point guard and point forward, so passing is not their greatest need.

They tried getting a guy who could create his own shot in Oubre, unfortunately he was a black hole. We need a guy who plays smart Warriors basketball. That means scoring and passing.

And Giddey is great at passing, but a poor scorer. And worse still at shooting and defense.

Yea, that’s a good point. Maybe we should go for Franz.

[GSWFan1994]

Slam Magazine did a feature on Giddey: link.