Brandon Miller - Alabama

[buzzkilloton]

Agreed but he shouldn’t be at fault for that.

It would be a very dangerous precedent to set. You don’t charge people for that.

Anyways, he will have to live the rest of his life with that guilt

If you're holding a drunk friends car keys and you let them take the car out and they kill a family you can get a charge in some states. What Miller did was actually worse because it was a weapon not a car.

"Just about two weeks ago, a Florida woman was arrested for allegedly giving car keys to her intoxicated friend, who then drove and caused a fatal crash. Michelle English of Brandon, Florida, now faces criminal charges, even though she was not even in her friend’s vehicle at the time of the accident. This case brings up an important subject that many people are likely unaware of: It’s possible to face criminal charges for letting someone else drive drunk.

Florida Statutes § 784.05 states, “Whoever, through culpable negligence, exposes another person to personal injury commits a misdemeanor of the second degree…”"

In Alabama this might not be the case of course. That said it at best shows bad character and judgement.

https://www.tampacriminalattorneys.com/criminal-defense-blog/2022/february/can-you-face-criminal-charges-for-letting-a-frie/

I mean if I give car keys to a sober person and they kill someone can I be at fault then as well?

There is no law against having a gun in your possession after midnight.

If someone comes to your house and they are drunk and you let them drive. Sure.

I feel like the equivalent here would of been Brandon Miller starting the fight, then handing a gun to his angry friend. That was not the case. Therefore I feel like this holds very little similarity.

lorida Statutes § 784.05 states, “Whoever, through culpable negligence, exposes another person to personal injury commits a misdemeanor of the second degree…”"

Of course not but if someone texts you ""I need my joint a n***** rl just got fakin" a smart good kid isnt getting involved. He has wayyyy to much to lose. I dont care about posters clubs life their not famous kids that have the world in front of them.

If he was in Florida he would qualify for this charge I bolded booze has nothing to do with it. He is in Alabama though.

[azcatz11]

1:40 AM is the time people are drunk and are more likely do dumb stuff like shoot people

Agreed but he shouldn’t be at fault for that.

It would be a very dangerous precedent to set. You don’t charge people for that.

Anyways, he will have to live the rest of his life with that guilt

If you're holding a drunk friends car keys and you let them take the car out and they kill a family you can get a charge in some states. What Miller did was actually worse because it was a weapon not a car.

Of course we dont know if said friend was drunk their not 21 but college kids at this time its very likely.

"Just about two weeks ago, a Florida woman was arrested for allegedly giving car keys to her intoxicated friend, who then drove and caused a fatal crash. Michelle English of Brandon, Florida, now faces criminal charges, even though she was not even in her friend’s vehicle at the time of the accident. This case brings up an important subject that many people are likely unaware of: It’s possible to face criminal charges for letting someone else drive drunk.

Florida Statutes § 784.05 states, “Whoever, through culpable negligence, exposes another person to personal injury commits a misdemeanor of the second degree…”"

In Alabama this might not be the case of course. That said it at best shows very bad character and judgement. He is a student athlete with alot at stake he should know better then to get involved in this.

https://www.tampacriminalattorneys.com/criminal-defense-blog/2022/february/can-you-face-criminal-charges-for-letting-a-frie/

That’s a good analogy and I’ll have to reconsider my position

[JMAC3]

If you're holding a drunk friends car keys and you let them take the car out and they kill a family you can get a charge in some states. What Miller did was actually worse because it was a weapon not a car.

"Just about two weeks ago, a Florida woman was arrested for allegedly giving car keys to her intoxicated friend, who then drove and caused a fatal crash. Michelle English of Brandon, Florida, now faces criminal charges, even though she was not even in her friend’s vehicle at the time of the accident. This case brings up an important subject that many people are likely unaware of: It’s possible to face criminal charges for letting someone else drive drunk.

Florida Statutes § 784.05 states, “Whoever, through culpable negligence, exposes another person to personal injury commits a misdemeanor of the second degree…”"

In Alabama this might not be the case of course. That said it at best shows bad character and judgement.

https://www.tampacriminalattorneys.com/criminal-defense-blog/2022/february/can-you-face-criminal-charges-for-letting-a-frie/

I mean if I give car keys to a sober person and they kill someone can I be at fault then as well?

There is no law against having a gun in your possession after midnight.

If someone comes to your house and they are drunk and you let them drive. Sure.

I feel like the equivalent here would of been Brandon Miller starting the fight, then handing a gun to his angry friend. That was not the case. Therefore I feel like this holds very little similarity.

lorida Statutes § 784.05 states, “Whoever, through culpable negligence, exposes another person to personal injury commits a misdemeanor of the second degree…”"

Of course not but if someone texts you ""I need my joint a n***** rl just got fakin" a smart good kid isnt getting involved. He has wayyyy to much to lose. I dont care about posters clubs life their not famous kids that have the world in front of them.

If he was in Florida he would qualify for this charge I bolded booze has nothing to do with it. He is in Alabama though.

I don't think you know the full story tbh.

The lawyer put out a statement, which I doubt directly goes against the text evidence.

Supposedly Miller didn't even know the gun was in the car, nor did he touch it. He was already on the way to pick them up when that text was sent. So he was driving, doesn't even sound like we know if he saw the text before arriving on scene.

That is clearly not the same as giving a known drunk person their keys.

That is probably more closely they ask for their jacket and you assume they are riding with a friend. Then you find out the keys were in the pocket of the jacket, they end up driving and you are now going to jail.

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[buzzkilloton]

I mean if I give car keys to a sober person and they kill someone can I be at fault then as well?

There is no law against having a gun in your possession after midnight.

If someone comes to your house and they are drunk and you let them drive. Sure.

I feel like the equivalent here would of been Brandon Miller starting the fight, then handing a gun to his angry friend. That was not the case. Therefore I feel like this holds very little similarity.

[b]lo.

I don't think you know the full story tbh.

The lawyer put out a statement, which I doubt directly goes against the text evidence.

Supposedly Miller didn't even know the gun was in the car, nor did he touch it. He was already on the way to pick them up when that text was sent. So he was driving, doesn't even sound like we know if he saw the text before arriving on scene.

That is clearly not the same as giving a known drunk person their keys.

That is probably more closely they ask for their jacket and you assume they are riding with a friend. Then you find out the keys were in the pocket of the jacket, they end up driving and you are now going to jail.

That is Millers defense lawyers statement. Of course they will say he didnt know and didnt see the text. I'm sure his buddies have his back talking to police as well figuring hes famous and going to be rich thats a ally worth keeping.

You know the company you keep carries guns around. Its not some hidden thing with a group of 20 year old teammates. Not sure how anyone can believe that as true.

The text may or may not of been seen. Smart phones are connected to watches and dash boards that will show the text and not show it as read. We really dont know.

Hes not being charged he may of not commited a crime in Alabama. That said he should still be suspended for some amount of games. A non star would be kicked off the team for being involved in this. It still brings up questions on his character that may or may not effect draft stock we shall see.

[azcatz11]

There’s also a thread on this on the GB I’ve been posting in

[buzzkilloton]

There’s also a thread on this on the GB I’ve been posting in

Thanks I rarely venture there I would of missed it.

[azcatz11]

There’s also a thread on this on the GB I’ve been posting in

Thanks I rarely venture there I would of missed it.

It’s a dangerous place. I post there with caution

[The-Power]

The text may or may not of been seen.

But that's a crucial question for the case. You reached your conclusions based on your assumption that he knew what was about to happen, and yet you admit now that he may not have read the text in question before he arrived at the scene. So I suggest we all let this play out a bit more before we make any definite statements about someone's culpability based on clearly insufficient information at this point.

If he delivered a gun to his friend knowing that the friend intended to use it, he clearly bears responsibility and is a POS. To which extent he can be legally charged is a different question, but it clearly warrants a response from the school at the very least and should be a red flag for NBA teams. If the statement of the lawyer holds true, it's not his fault even if he potentially could have shown better judgement at some points.

Since we don't know for sure either way and there's also a chance that it's something in-between the two extremes, it's better for us – who only have very fragmented second-hand information – to not jump to any conclusions (both ways).

[reanimator]

Miller is having hell of a game despite all of this. Good resolve.

[The Moose]

Miller is having hell of a game despite all of this. Good resolve.

might be his best game of the season

[BAMAFREAK]

Miller is having hell of a game despite all of this. Good resolve.

might be his best game of the season

The fans done pissed him off. Showing that potential here.
He won’t go ahead of Scoot, but he will make a already solid team better than Scoot will

[buzzkilloton]

The text may or may not of been seen.

But that's a crucial question for the case. You reached your conclusions based on your assumption that he knew what was about to happen, and yet you admit now that he may not have read the text in question before he arrived at the scene. So I suggest we all let this play out a bit more before we make any definite statements about someone's culpability based on clearly insufficient information at this point.

If he delivered a gun to his friend knowing that the friend intended to use it, he clearly bears responsibility and is a POS. To which extent he can be legally charged is a different question, but it clearly warrants a response from the school at the very least and should be a red flag for NBA teams. If the statement of the lawyer holds true, it's not his fault even if he potentially could have shown better judgement at some points.

Since we don't know for sure either way and there's also a chance that it's something in-between the two extremes, it's better for us – who only have very fragmented second-hand information – to not jump to any conclusions (both ways).

I say may or may not because we cant prove it and likely never will. You can have your phone set up to show text on your dash or watch and it wont show as read. If he replied it would of been mentioned in cou

Now I know keeps the company of thugs during bar hours that are capable of murdering someone on any given night. To me its as big of a character red flag you will find on a young prospect these days. Players are smarter at a young age now usually because they grow up on camera. Stuff happens but a 20 year old top 3 prospect recently seems wild to me. This is a huge character blunder.

I'm watching him now hes balling he surely was 3 before this. It may not effect his draft stock at all to NBA teams. Time will tell.

[NYPiston]

IF all the legal stuff checks out, and who the hell knows at this point, I don't know how he isn't separated as the #3. Even if his perceived ceiling isn't as high as some others in the 2nd tier, he has the highest floor by far of the 2nd tier prospects IMO.
With that said, there are sure to be some teams that will stay away from him regardless with Troy Weaver likely be one of them since he values character about all else.

[AI_Efficiency]

Dear lord. It's in the freaking police report that Miles asked Miller to bring him his gun. Not his hat. Not his sunglasses. Not his wallet. Not his "stuff". His gun. That's the information we have to go on. Are you being willfully obtuse for a reason here?

I know that I always make sure to return my friend's gun to him outside of a bar at 130am on a Saturday night. Completely normal stuff there.

and the same people that put that police report together and accumulated all the evidence decided there wasn't enough to charge the kid with

weird how some of you are unwilling to understand this concept.

and yes, it's actually very normal stuff. A gun is someone's property and if Miles was asking for it back I certainly wouldn't want someone else's gun on me that I don't need or want...so yea I'd take it back to them. im not sure how or why that's weird to you.

Many people here are talking about Alabama and how they are doing nothing about their star athlete being involved in a murder. That is part of the picture here. Everyone understands there may not be enough evidence to charge Miller. What they don't understand is how Alabama is just choosing to let this slide.

We are not privy to the texts but you were the one who kept saying "maybe he just asked for his stuff" while the police report very specifically mentions he asked for his gun. You couldn't be bothered to read 30 seconds of an article (or pay attention to something mentioned numerous times in this thread) yet you kept spouting off conjecture. I really don't know why I am wasting my time with you. It absolutely is not worth it.

The article on espn now says he was already on his way to pick the guy up and the gun was already in the car. Also says Brandon wasn’t involved in the collection of the gun.

"Brandon never left his vehicle and was not involved in the collection of the weapon," said Byrne, who added: "Darius had been asking Brandon to come pick him up for close to an hour. Brandon was already on his way to pick Darius up when he received the text message for him that was reported yesterday."

[sunless01]

Dude is ballin and may end up in jail on some serious chargers. this is the most mamba mentality thing ive ever seen, kobe would be proud

[The Moose]

Bonkers game considering the circumstances of the past 24 hours

[BAMAFREAK]

Dude is ballin and may end up in jail on some serious chargers. this is the most mamba mentality thing ive ever seen, kobe would be proud

He’s been cleared. Free man dropping 40. Got that dog in him

[buzzkilloton]

Was a incredible performance in a emotional game.

[NYPiston]

Miller showed off the entire arsenal in this game (for those who foolishly think he's just a 3 and D). Again, just from a basketball perspective, he's #3 in this draft pretty clearly IMO.