Jaren Jackson Jr.

Post #261 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:37 am

If you're interested in seeing what his personality is like...

Post #262 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:43 am

Also if you have any interest in hearing the Suns GM talk about the workout or the media questioning Jaren in a press conference, here it is...

https://www.nba.com/suns/now

clyde21 · Post #263 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:49 am

bwgood77 wrote:If you're interested in seeing what his personality is like...

Read on Twitter

Ha...really good kid. Love his personality.

clyde21 · Post #264 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:56 am

https://fansided.com/2018/06/11/nylon-calculus-nba-draft-model-process-lucario/

Pretty intense analysis.

nolang1 · Post #265 » by **nolang1** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:58 am

MemphisX wrote:Fouling is just part of the equation. However, Izzo sat him down the stretch of a tournament game and he wasn't in foul trouble and his team did not go on a run.

Way to move the goalposts. "His college team didn't play markedly better on offense every time he was yanked out of the game" is a very low standard against which to elevate an NBA player, let alone someone who'd likely have to be an All-NBA level player to justify getting drafted in the top 2 in this draft.

For having all the tools to be the perfect floor-spacing modern big man, Jackson didn't put it together in a way that suggests he was an indispensable member of his team. That should be obvious from the fact that he only played about half of his team's minutes and the team was still good enough to be in the top 10 for the entire season, or from the fact that he scored 2 points and his coach was fine with playing him only 15 minutes in the team's biggest game of the season.

Then he's being sold as this multiple DPOY type of defender, but games like the one against Syracuse (where the Spartans had a DRTG of 91.4 despite Jackson playing only 15 minutes) show that he is still a ways from being a scheme-changer in the NBA. With that in mind, I just don't fathom this narrative that Tom Izzo is a dum-dum who didn't see that Jackson was the best player in college basketball (because high BPM) and prevented him from showing how transcendental a prospect he was - maybe if there were some extended track record of Michigan St. players overachieving in the pros relative to what they did in college, but that's not really the case (even Draymond had a case for being the best player in college basketball and just didn't get drafted high due to being a 'tweener' senior).

This doesn't say that Jackson's a bad player, but he's young and inconsistent and it's easy for me to foresee a scenario in which he's stuck on a bad team. At that point, when he's due for a rookie extension he's still just 21 and Jackson clearly has enough 1-on-0 workout kind of talent that desperate teams would be offering him a huge contract even if he hasn't produced much over the course of his rookie contract. The hype for him to be a top 2 draft pick seems to be coming from the notion that his skillset would fit most readily on a team like the Warriors, but at the top of the draft you don't get the luxury of coming into that kind of situation. You don't get the luxury of being the 4th option on offense and being able to chase after blocks/steals because the team can survive with you on the bench for over half the game.

arkuo · Post #266 » by **arkuo** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:35 pm

Relax fellas. These guys are so young it would be hard to get a good read of them this early. Dirk Nowitzki averaged 8 pts, 3 rebs and 1 ast in 1998 and managed to carve out a 20 year career in the league. Coming into the league as a lanky white dude who shot 3 pointers, Dirk looked so bad even Mike Dunleavy Jr looked better coming out of college. I'd say Jaren Jackson Jr will be fine. He needs to be with the right team/coach and situation to fully develop. Same boat as Donic IMO.

Post #267 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:41 pm

Totally as a gut feeling, I think he will have a very long career that maybe starts a bit slow but just gets better with age, similar to Aldridge. Other players will have better peaks but he will impress with longevity and an extended prime.

King Ken · Post #268 » by **King Ken** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:40 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Totally as a gut feeling, I think he will have a very long career that maybe starts a bit slow but just gets better with age, similar to Aldridge. Other players will have better peaks but he will impress with longevity and an extended prime.

I have major doubts. That said, I really dont see him being a bust at all. At least, he will be a quality role player. That's better than Bamba or Young worst case but he doesnt have either of their ceiling nor is he close

clyde21 · Post #269 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:55 pm

According to Woj a lot of teams are looking to trade up for JJJ.

King Ken · Post #270 » by **King Ken** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:16 pm

clyde21 wrote:According to Woj a lot of teams are looking to trade up for JJJ.

He didnt say that.

Post #271 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:22 pm

King Ken wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Totally as a gut feeling, I think he will have a very long career that maybe starts a bit slow but just gets better with age, similar to Aldridge. Other players will have better peaks but he will impress with longevity and an extended prime.

I have major doubts. That said, I really dont see him being a bust at all. At least, he will be a quality role player. That's better than Bamba or Young worst case but he doesnt have either of their ceiling nor is he close

As a skilled two way big I actually think he may have the second highest ceiling in the draft behind Ayton. Young is always going to struggle a bit defensively and Bamba's offense is more questionable than Jackson's.

Not saying he WILL reach that ceiling or WILL be the second best player, just that he has the tools to be a much more well-rounded player than many of the other top prospects.

King Ken · Post #272 » by **King Ken** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:29 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
King Ken wrote:
DeBlazerRiddem wrote:Totally as a gut feeling, I think he will have a very long career that maybe starts a bit slow but just gets better with age, similar to Aldridge. Other players will have better peaks but he will impress with longevity and an extended prime.

I have major doubts. That said, I really dont see him being a bust at all. At least, he will be a quality role player. That's better than Bamba or Young worst case but he doesnt have either of their ceiling nor is he close

As a skilled two way big I actually think he may have the second highest ceiling in the draft behind Ayton. Young is always going to struggle a bit defensively and Bamba's offense is more questionable than Jackson's.

Not saying he WILL reach that ceiling or WILL be the second best player, just that he has the tools to be a much more well-rounded player than many of the other top prospects.

Hes not really that skilled to me. Uncoordinated, weak core strength, poor body control. I have him at 11 on my big board. Hes my Malik Monk of this class.

Great run/athletic, good defensive instincts within the system but struggles in isolation. I just feel hes better in an ideal situation. Honestly, Portland is perfect for him. But in the top 6. None of these teams are there yet.

OGLife · Post #273 » by **OGLife** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:33 pm

Is Jackson better off playing the 5? I see Porzingas potential with the guy so it’s difficult to see his game translating to the 5 right now (had he come out in 2020, things may be different).

Mr B · Post #274 » by **Mr B** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:58 pm

clyde21 wrote:Something about Jaren Jackson Jr. rubs me the wrong way as a prospect. I can't point my finger on it.

To be honest, I'm more impressed with Jontay Porter watching both players. I don't see what Jackson Jr. gives you over Porter other than better rim protection. Jontay is a better scorer, better rebounder, has better handles, a better passer, etc.

So what’s up with Jontay Porter? About 2 weeks ago he was being mocked around the 20’s and now I don’t even see him being mocked in the 2nd round. Was his workout that bad?

clyde21 · Post #275 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:00 pm

Mr B wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Something about Jaren Jackson Jr. rubs me the wrong way as a prospect. I can't point my finger on it.

To be honest, I'm more impressed with Jontay Porter watching both players. I don't see what Jackson Jr. gives you over Porter other than better rim protection. Jontay is a better scorer, better rebounder, has better handles, a better passer, etc.

So what’s up with Jontay Porter? About 2 weeks ago he was being mocked around the 20’s and now I don’t even see him being mocked in the 2nd round. Was his workout that bad?

He pulled his name out of the draft and going back to school.

Mr B · Post #276 » by **Mr B** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:07 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Mr B wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Something about Jaren Jackson Jr. rubs me the wrong way as a prospect. I can't point my finger on it.

To be honest, I'm more impressed with Jontay Porter watching both players. I don't see what Jackson Jr. gives you over Porter other than better rim protection. Jontay is a better scorer, better rebounder, has better handles, a better passer, etc.

So what’s up with Jontay Porter? About 2 weeks ago he was being mocked around the 20’s and now I don’t even see him being mocked in the 2nd round. Was his workout that bad?

He pulled his name out of the draft and going back to school.

Damn how did I miss that? Thanks

King Ken · Post #277 » by **King Ken** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:27 pm

OGLife wrote:Is Jackson better off playing the 5? I see Porzingas potential with the guy so it’s difficult to see his game translating to the 5 right now (had he come out in 2020, things may be different).

Porzee is much better at creating his own shot and shooting from all over the court. Hes a faceup nightmare. Even out of Spain, he showed his offensive skill to be tremendous.

I really feel like this is the Marvin Williams Twilight Zone. Like Marvin, cut up clips are being pushed, highlights and his two way potential is promoted. His advanced data was elite in college. But when I watched the games, I wasn't impressed. I dont see the skill or the talent. I see the same spin move. I see them being good if no one impedes their progress but the NBA doesn't work like that. It's not that easy. I just don't see it. He is going to let teams down if they are drafting him as the face.

vincecarter4pres · Post #278 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:27 pm

King Ken wrote:
clyde21 wrote:According to Woj a lot of teams are looking to trade up for JJJ.

He didnt say that.

He actually did.

vincecarter4pres · Post #279 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:29 pm

I might get roasted for this, but I've been thinking this since the first time I saw him play a full game, but didn't want to drop that comparison, but he has the potential to be Dirk on offense and Anthony Davis on D.

I'm not saying that's at all likely, but he has that legitimate HOF potential. That's also why I have said stuff like LMA with a 3 ball as his ceiling.

King Ken · Post #280 » by **King Ken** » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:40 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
King Ken wrote:
clyde21 wrote:According to Woj a lot of teams are looking to trade up for JJJ.

He didnt say that.

He actually did.

No he didn't. He said this could force teams to make attractive offers to move up for him. That's all it stated. It didn't state, teams are now making big offers for JJJ at a workout they can't even see.