Bol Bol

[elias808]

Safe to say Bol is the most polarizing prospect in the draft. As an Oregon fan I watched all of Bol's games this year. I saw a lot of amazing stuff from a dude 7'2". I also saw a lot of things (mostly on the defensive end) that could cap his overall tallent. He is a unicorn on the offensive end of the floor. His size/skill alone should make him a double-double guy from day one. For Bol to reach his potential he needs to go to a team that can hide his defensive limitations (pick'n'roll/pace'n'space). Factor in injury history and desire for the game; I'm not sure I'd take him in the front half of the lottery. Bol, much like Zion, need to go to a team that understands his limitations and can scheme to hide said weaknesses.

Is he more Porzingis or more Maker?

[King Ken]

Safe to say Bol is the most polarizing prospect in the draft. As an Oregon fan I watched all of Bol's games this year. I saw a lot of amazing stuff from a dude 7'2". I also saw a lot of things (mostly on the defensive end) that could cap his overall tallent. He is a unicorn on the offensive end of the floor. His size/skill alone should make him a double-double guy from day one. For Bol to reach his potential he needs to go to a team that can hide his defensive limitations (pick'n'roll/pace'n'space). Factor in injury history and desire for the game; I'm not sure I'd take him in the front half of the lottery. Bol, much like Zion, need to go to a team that understands his limitations and can scheme to hide said weaknesses.

Is he more Porzingis or more Maker?

Kristaps Maker

I am a believer in Bol but he needs the right situation at all cost. To me, he would be high on my list if I was Cleveland. They can build around him. Slow tempo, terrible defense so they have nothing to lose. I think he would cover for the flaws and the spacing as well as Love being able to defend the paint helps him as well.

[Ruzious]

Safe to say Bol is the most polarizing prospect in the draft. As an Oregon fan I watched all of Bol's games this year. I saw a lot of amazing stuff from a dude 7'2". I also saw a lot of things (mostly on the defensive end) that could cap his overall tallent. He is a unicorn on the offensive end of the floor. His size/skill alone should make him a double-double guy from day one. For Bol to reach his potential he needs to go to a team that can hide his defensive limitations (pick'n'roll/pace'n'space). Factor in injury history and desire for the game; I'm not sure I'd take him in the front half of the lottery. Bol, much like Zion, need to go to a team that understands his limitations and can scheme to hide said weaknesses.

Is he more Porzingis or more Maker?

Definitely more Porz than Thon. Remember, as long as Makur is, Bol is probably about 3 inches longer. And Thon's maxed out on the good weight he can add and can't be more than 220ish. More importantly, Thon's only offensive skils are 3 point shooting from the wing and dunking. He literally can't do anything else with anything resembling consistency. He's an awkward athlete with below average hands, and he's a very poor rebounder. Bol is a far more gifted player.

[SlowPaced]

The only reason I don't have Bol Bol in my Top 3 is durability concerns. I think he's second only to Zion in terms of potential.

[elias808]

Safe to say Bol is the most polarizing prospect in the draft. As an Oregon fan I watched all of Bol's games this year. I saw a lot of amazing stuff from a dude 7'2". I also saw a lot of things (mostly on the defensive end) that could cap his overall tallent. He is a unicorn on the offensive end of the floor. His size/skill alone should make him a double-double guy from day one. For Bol to reach his potential he needs to go to a team that can hide his defensive limitations (pick'n'roll/pace'n'space). Factor in injury history and desire for the game; I'm not sure I'd take him in the front half of the lottery. Bol, much like Zion, need to go to a team that understands his limitations and can scheme to hide said weaknesses.

Is he more Porzingis or more Maker?

Definitely more Porz than Thon. Remember, as long as Makur is, Bol is probably about 3 inches longer. And Thon's maxed out on the good weight he can add and can't be more than 220ish. More importantly, Thon's only offensive skils are 3 point shooting from the wing and dunking. He literally can't do anything else with anything resembling consistency. He's an awkward athlete with below average hands, and he's a very poor rebounder. Bol is a far more gifted player.

Do you feel Bol can add more good weight? Personally, I look at his body type and I dont see him packing on the pounds. He isn't Gobert (large shoulders/frame). As I said in my post, the issues with Bol aren't on the offensive end. Its his translation on defense. I see the fascination in Bol with his ability to run the floor at a man of his size, but will he be exploited in the half court? Is he the kind of player that will get you 20ppg, but give up 20 as well?

[clyde21]

The only reason I don't have Bol Bol in my Top 3 is durability concerns. I think he's second only to Zion in terms of potential.

durability concerns are definitely fair, and it's why I have him at #4 right now.

but you're right, Bol has the highest ceiling out of anyone in this draft not named Zion.

[clyde21]

I'm more concerned with his foot problem than him being skinny. He's skinny, but it's more that he's built diffeently than most players. He's listed at 7'2 235 at 19 years old, so his weight's already up there with a lot of centers. He's not going to be as weak as most people seem to thing. Post games are way overrated in today's game - actually this century. Even for bigs, ball-handling and spin moves are more important than post moves. Some of these crticisms are silly. What 18/19 year old can you say doesn't have defensive awareness issues at times? He looks different, so people make poor assumptions about him.

Is it just me or are Bol’s feet way too small for his height ? I feel like he looks unbalanced somehow. You look at other 7+ guys like Embiid and Shaq , they have huge feet that properly distribute their weight over a larger surface area.

I think his dad was similar though and can’t recall Manute having many foot issues ?

I believe Manute had the same issue. It helps them with speed but seems to hurt them with strength and balance.

The game was played differently back then. These guys are doing much more with their bodies instead of just being tall or big

Bol has no issues with balance so this is a weird dig at this point. Dude is one of the most coordinated 7'2" guys you'll ever see.

[King Ken]

Is it just me or are Bol’s feet way too small for his height ? I feel like he looks unbalanced somehow. You look at other 7+ guys like Embiid and Shaq , they have huge feet that properly distribute their weight over a larger surface area.

I think his dad was similar though and can’t recall Manute having many foot issues ?

I believe Manute had the same issue. It helps them with speed but seems to hurt them with strength and balance.

The game was played differently back then. These guys are doing much more with their bodies instead of just being tall or big

Bol has no issues with balance so this is a weird dig at this point. Dude is one of the most coordinated 7'2" guys you'll ever see.

He gets off balanced often when pushed. He has a weak base. I agree with you otherwise, he is tremendously coordinated and is a very functional athlete. This goes back to Cam Reddish, do you feel like Bol can work on his core strength enough for this not to be an issue? We seen Bamba who too is very coordinated but has a weak base struggle.

[clyde21]

I believe Manute had the same issue. It helps them with speed but seems to hurt them with strength and balance.

The game was played differently back then. These guys are doing much more with their bodies instead of just being tall or big

Bol has no issues with balance so this is a weird dig at this point. Dude is one of the most coordinated 7'2" guys you'll ever see.

He gets off balanced often when pushed. He has a weak base. I agree with you otherwise, he is tremendously coordinated and is a very functional athlete. This goes back to Cam Reddish, do you feel like Bol can work on his core strength enough for this not to be an issue? We seen Bamba who too is very coordinated but has a weak base struggle.

well yea he gets pushed because he's not not a strong guy and his frame is slight but I don't think he has anything to do with his size of his feet.

[King Ken]

Bol has no issues with balance so this is a weird dig at this point. Dude is one of the most coordinated 7'2" guys you'll ever see.

He gets off balanced often when pushed. He has a weak base. I agree with you otherwise, he is tremendously coordinated and is a very functional athlete. This goes back to Cam Reddish, do you feel like Bol can work on his core strength enough for this not to be an issue? We seen Bamba who too is very coordinated but has a weak base struggle.

well yea he gets pushed because he's not not a strong guy and his frame is slight but I don't think he has anything to do with his size of his feet.

Its possible, he is just putting it out there. None of us said it's a fact. He would get pushed at 250. He just has a weak base right now. Those legs are an issue as well.

[clyde21]

He gets off balanced often when pushed. He has a weak base. I agree with you otherwise, he is tremendously coordinated and is a very functional athlete. This goes back to Cam Reddish, do you feel like Bol can work on his core strength enough for this not to be an issue? We seen Bamba who too is very coordinated but has a weak base struggle.

well yea he gets pushed because he's not not a strong guy and his frame is slight but I don't think he has anything to do with his size of his feet.

Its possible, he is just putting it out there. None of us said it's a fact. He would get pushed at 250. He just has a weak base right now. Those legs are an issue as well.

meh, no one is pretending he's gonna be a strong 1v1 post defender anyways, and if that's why you're drafting him you're doing it wrong. you draft him because he's an anomaly offensive player who can potentially develop into a great help defender/shot-blocker.

[King Ken]

well yea he gets pushed because he's not not a strong guy and his frame is slight but I don't think he has anything to do with his size of his feet.

Its possible, he is just putting it out there. None of us said it's a fact. He would get pushed at 250. He just has a weak base right now. Those legs are an issue as well.

meh, no one is pretending he's gonna be a strong 1v1 post defender anyways, and if that's why you're drafting him you're doing it wrong. you draft him because he's an anomaly offensive player who can potentially develop into a great help defender/shot-blocker.

We know what he is both good and bad. You are ignoring the bad and focusing on the good.

[clyde21]

Its possible, he is just putting it out there. None of us said it's a fact. He would get pushed at 250. He just has a weak base right now. Those legs are an issue as well.

meh, no one is pretending he's gonna be a strong 1v1 post defender anyways, and if that's why you're drafting him you're doing it wrong. you draft him because he's an anomaly offensive player who can potentially develop into a great help defender/shot-blocker.

We know what he is both good and bad. You are ignoring the bad and focusing on the good.

i have agreed with you on the bad and done it multiple times in this thread...his frame, lack of strength and injury risk especially I think everyone in this thread agrees with. what should be up for discussion is how to limit these weaknesses at the next level.

i mean, he can hit the gym every day for 5 hours he's just never gonna be a very strong guy...he doesn't have the frame for it. but in that sense, you're not really drafting Bol to bang on the inside anyways for long periods of time.

[King Ken]

meh, no one is pretending he's gonna be a strong 1v1 post defender anyways, and if that's why you're drafting him you're doing it wrong. you draft him because he's an anomaly offensive player who can potentially develop into a great help defender/shot-blocker.

We know what he is both good and bad. You are ignoring the bad and focusing on the good.

i have agreed with you on the bad and done it multiple times in this thread...his frame, lack of strength and injury risk especially I think everyone in this thread agrees with. what should be up for discussion is how to limit these weaknesses at the next level.

i mean, he can hit the gym every day for 5 hours he's just never gonna be a very strong guy...he doesn't have the frame for it. but in that sense, you're not really drafting Bol to bang on the inside anyways for long periods of time.

I am a believer in Bol. I don't know how many times I have to say that. But those questions are not just real, they are critical for teams. You really have to build with him in mind. Outside of Cleveland, who can do that? He is an fit with Portland, Utah and Milwaukee as well. He has teams who he would fit but idk. I can see him going in the top 5 as well as going in the 20s. He is a tough fit.

[clyde21]

We know what he is both good and bad. You are ignoring the bad and focusing on the good.

i have agreed with you on the bad and done it multiple times in this thread...his frame, lack of strength and injury risk especially I think everyone in this thread agrees with. what should be up for discussion is how to limit these weaknesses at the next level.

i mean, he can hit the gym every day for 5 hours he's just never gonna be a very strong guy...he doesn't have the frame for it. but in that sense, you're not really drafting Bol to bang on the inside anyways for long periods of time.

I am a believer in Bol. I don't know how many times I have to say that. But those questions are not just real, they are critical for teams. You really have to build with him in mind. Outside of Cleveland, who can do that? He is an fit with Portland, Utah and Milwaukee as well. He has teams who he would fit but idk. I can see him going in the top 5 as well as going in the 20s. He is a tough fit.

the idea that it's tough to build around a 7'2' guy who can run the floor, score on 4 levels and block shots is nonsense man.

[King Ken]

i have agreed with you on the bad and done it multiple times in this thread...his frame, lack of strength and injury risk especially I think everyone in this thread agrees with. what should be up for discussion is how to limit these weaknesses at the next level.

i mean, he can hit the gym every day for 5 hours he's just never gonna be a very strong guy...he doesn't have the frame for it. but in that sense, you're not really drafting Bol to bang on the inside anyways for long periods of time.

I am a believer in Bol. I don't know how many times I have to say that. But those questions are not just real, they are critical for teams. You really have to build with him in mind. Outside of Cleveland, who can do that? He is an fit with Portland, Utah and Milwaukee as well. He has teams who he would fit but idk. I can see him going in the top 5 as well as going in the 20s. He is a tough fit.

the idea that it's tough to build around a 7'2' guy who can run the floor, score on 4 levels and block shots is nonsense man.

[clyde21]

I am a believer in Bol. I don't know how many times I have to say that. But those questions are not just real, they are critical for teams. You really have to build with him in mind. Outside of Cleveland, who can do that? He is an fit with Portland, Utah and Milwaukee as well. He has teams who he would fit but idk. I can see him going in the top 5 as well as going in the 20s. He is a tough fit.

the idea that it's tough to build around a 7'2' guy who can run the floor, score on 4 levels and block shots is nonsense man.

not sure how that's disagreeable, but okay. that's like saying it's tough to build around Porzingis. just a really weird argument.

[King Ken]

the idea that it's tough to build around a 7'2' guy who can run the floor, score on 4 levels and block shots is nonsense man.

not sure how that's disagreeable, but okay. that's like saying it's tough to build around Porzingis. just a really weird argument.

Your OD (overdoing)

He is not KP. Not the same level of athlete and not the same level of work ethic and personality but continue to see him as this no brainer prospect...

[clyde21]

not sure how that's disagreeable, but okay. that's like saying it's tough to build around Porzingis. just a really weird argument.

Your OD (overdoing)

He is not KP. Not the same level of athlete and not the same level of work ethic and personality but continue to see him as this no brainer prospect...

just as good if not a better athlete and the work ethic stuff is completely unsubstantiated.

but okay this is going nowhere anyways.

[Coeur]

Not kp level athlete as a prospect


But that’s not the question in my mind. It’s can he become great with the ball as a passer and shooter. I think he can


What type of PF do you need to cover his weaknesses and maximize each other as a tandem?