Keegan Murray

[SelfishPlayer]

I see Keegan more of a true big than those SF/PF. Meaning Keegan can actually rebound and protect the rim as a big, and beat down folks in the post offensively.

Keegan a rim protector? No way...

What about his defensive rating (96.8) block percentage (6.4) last year speaks to the fact he can't rim protect coming in? He's got high BBIQ all the way around

Was this last year you're speaking of against professionals?

[SNPA]

Keegan a rim protector? No way...

What about his defensive rating (96.8) block percentage (6.4) last year speaks to the fact he can't rim protect coming in? He's got high BBIQ all the way around

Was this last year you're speaking of against professionals?

True rim protector? No. He won’t put fear into anyone, but he’ll weakside slide and send one back with regularity.

[Big J]

I could easily see this kid winning ROY. Sac is going to be a handful on offense next year.

[BoogieTime]

What about his defensive rating (96.8) block percentage (6.4) last year speaks to the fact he can't rim protect coming in? He's got high BBIQ all the way around

Was this last year you're speaking of against professionals?

True rim protector? No. He won’t put fear into anyone, but he’ll weakside slide and send one back with regularity.

I think the predraft process has folks lumping Keegan in with these 3/4 hybrids instead of a traditional big that will be protecting the paint, which he is to me

[bucknut]

Watching Jabari tonight there is some similarities, - could a murray supporter say he is Jabari Smith with a better feel for the game ?

[BoogieTime]

Watching Jabari tonight there is some similarities, - could a murray supporter say he is Jabari Smith with a better feel for the game ?

I'm going to leave Keegan out of this and just say I wondered why Jabari was as heralded as he was. His predraft highlight reels were him.... shooting. Nothing but shooting. Kid is raw.

[SelfishPlayer]

Watching Jabari tonight there is some similarities, - could a murray supporter say he is Jabari Smith with a better feel for the game ?

I'm going to leave Keegan out of this and just say I wondered why Jabari was as heralded as he was. His predraft highlight reels were him.... shooting. Nothing but shooting. Kid is raw.

There has possibly never been a greater shooter at age 18 than Jabari. Here's a video of Jabari driving on Banchero for a bucket

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[bucknut]

Watching Jabari tonight there is some similarities, - could a murray supporter say he is Jabari Smith with a better feel for the game ?

I'm going to leave Keegan out of this and just say I wondered why Jabari was as heralded as he was. His predraft highlight reels were him.... shooting. Nothing but shooting. Kid is raw.

I think he's pretty refined for what he does ...raw on the creation and that's similar to murray, also both 3 point spot up guys, mid range guys, efficient don't need the ball guys, play similar position guys, similar versatility

Jabari was thought of as a better shooter but early showings of murray is that he is a great great spot up shooter.

Biggest differences to me is size and jabari's face up game to go 1 on 1 but keegan has a little bit, Keegan has a better feel off ball and cut ability then jabari.

Does the size make that much difference ? keegan can play the 4, similar shot blockers

[Big J]

Watching Jabari tonight there is some similarities, - could a murray supporter say he is Jabari Smith with a better feel for the game ?

I'm going to leave Keegan out of this and just say I wondered why Jabari was as heralded as he was. His predraft highlight reels were him.... shooting. Nothing but shooting. Kid is raw.

There has possibly never been a greater shooter at age 18 than Jabari.

Redick was pretty incredible at 18.

[SelfishPlayer]

I'm going to leave Keegan out of this and just say I wondered why Jabari was as heralded as he was. His predraft highlight reels were him.... shooting. Nothing but shooting. Kid is raw.

There has possibly never been a greater shooter at age 18 than Jabari.

Redick was pretty incredible at 18.

The college three point line was a shorter distance when Reddick was playing.

[BoogieTime]

Watching Jabari tonight there is some similarities, - could a murray supporter say he is Jabari Smith with a better feel for the game ?

I'm going to leave Keegan out of this and just say I wondered why Jabari was as heralded as he was. His predraft highlight reels were him.... shooting. Nothing but shooting. Kid is raw.

I think he's pretty refined for what he does ...raw on the creation and that's similar to murray, also both 3 point spot up guys, mid range guys, efficient don't need the ball guys, play similar position guys, similar versatility

Jabari was thought of as a better shooter but early showings of murray is that he is a great great spot up shooter.

Biggest differences to me is size and jabari's face up game to go 1 on 1 but keegan has a little bit, Keegan has a better feel off ball and cut ability then jabari.

Does the size make that much difference ? keegan can play the 4, similar shot blockers

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I think Keegan is the much more refined prospect as of now, but its age/upside/measurements etc and trying to extrapolate what Jabari could become. But I dont think there is any doubt Keegan has the higher floor and is better now

[Big J]

Yea, Jabari’s going to have to learn how to dribble.

[SeattleJazzFan]

for those bringing up guys like randolph dropping 47, marcus banks dropping 42, etc, in order to discount or downplay keegan's performances because it's just summer league, the problem with that thinking is that he's just being keegan murray. it's not like he's not doing anything he hasn't done before. nothing he's doing is surprising or out of the ordinary. it's as if the cbb season ended on june 30th and he went from playing for iowa straight to the kings summer league. the fact is, he's just damn good at playing basketball. he's an efficient 3 level scorer who rebounds and defends. it's just what he does. people underestimated him because he was "old" - and yeah, he is old for a draft prospect, but that doesn't mean he isn't a great basketball player. and that's all he's doing - is just playing really good basketball because that's who he is.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

yeah he'd regularly put up huge games in college and now he's doing it in summer league, lets see what he can do in the actual nba. I think keegan is underrated by people who think a lot about ceilings and can't see a guy who can come in and play now.

I also though Jalen Brunson could be a good nba player, and he was thought to have a low ceiling. Well how low was it if he's making 25 per?

[tmorgan]

Keegan is a baller. That’s one of the reasons the Pistons resisted all overtures from Sac for a trade. They’d have been super happy with either guy.

Ivey’s probably the better fit for a team looking to get one more lotto pick, though. He’ll have his moments, but Keegan’s very likely to be the better player this year.

[SelfishPlayer]

Keegan is a baller. That’s one of the reasons the Pistons resisted all overtures from Sac for a trade. They’d have been super happy with either guy.

Ivey’s probably the better fit for a team looking to get one more lotto pick, though. He’ll have his moments, but Keegan’s very likely to be the better player this year.

I doubt it, because like many NBA players, Keegan is worthless if his shot isn't falling. Ivey has elite speed so he can still produce even when his shot isn't going.

[codydaze]

Keegan is a baller. That’s one of the reasons the Pistons resisted all overtures from Sac for a trade. They’d have been super happy with either guy.

Ivey’s probably the better fit for a team looking to get one more lotto pick, though. He’ll have his moments, but Keegan’s very likely to be the better player this year.

I doubt it, because like many NBA players, Keegan is worthless if his shot isn't falling. Ivey has elite speed so he can still produce even when his shot isn't going.

That's just not true. He does so many small things that don't show up on the box score and impact the game.

[clyde21]

Keegan is a baller. That’s one of the reasons the Pistons resisted all overtures from Sac for a trade. They’d have been super happy with either guy.

Ivey’s probably the better fit for a team looking to get one more lotto pick, though. He’ll have his moments, but Keegan’s very likely to be the better player this year.

I doubt it, because like many NBA players, Keegan is worthless if his shot isn't falling. Ivey has elite speed so he can still produce even when his shot isn't going.

all this time I had no idea all it took is for someone to be fast to produce at the NBA level, thanks for the alpha chief.

[SelfishPlayer]

Keegan is a baller. That’s one of the reasons the Pistons resisted all overtures from Sac for a trade. They’d have been super happy with either guy.

Ivey’s probably the better fit for a team looking to get one more lotto pick, though. He’ll have his moments, but Keegan’s very likely to be the better player this year.

I doubt it, because like many NBA players, Keegan is worthless if his shot isn't falling. Ivey has elite speed so he can still produce even when his shot isn't going.

That's just not true. He does so many small things that don't show up on the box score and impact the game.

We'll see, usually it's the things that you can do which show up in the box score which help you out the most when your shot isn't falling.

[tmorgan]

Keeeeeegan clutch. That was awesome.