Tari Eason

BlazersBroncos · Post #261 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 4:34 pm

Ya, Sochan and Tari are both above average athletes with great motors on defense, but to me there is a big gap between their awareness, Tari is all bounce and effort, Sochan knows where to be instinctually, calls defensive rotations regularily, waves in guys to huddle up and discuss, etc.

I dont think they are really close as prospects, I think Sochan has pretty elite defensive potential - think Horford IMO. The offense is a WIP but he has good passing instincts and seems to know his limitations, if that J comes around he will be a Al tier player IMO.

toooskies · Post #262 » by **toooskies** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:06 pm

The-Power wrote:
toooskies wrote:
Dat2U wrote:The inability to go left, the ugly jumper & limited feel give me significant pause despite the excellent productivity. I love the motor but he's far from ready. Mid-to-late 1st.

It's interesting to me to compare Eason to Sochan. Sochan's jumper is prettier but his FT% and 3P% were both much lower than Eason's, so I'd say Eason has an easier path to get become a plus NBA shooter. Sochan can't dribble right OR left. Both guys grade as plus defenders, with Eason being riskier and Sochan being more disciplined.

Sochan is two years younger so if you're in the middle of a rebuild you can wait on seeing his skills improve, but if I'm a team trying to win now (nearly everyone in the 8-20 range), I see more value in Eason.

You left out the big gap in playmaking and passing ability. I also think Sochan is pretty comfortably better on the defensive end and a safer bet here. He also plays more within himself which may or may not be something Eason can correct going forward.

I find the playmaking ability of Sochan to be much less significant than Eason's scoring advantage. Sochan might end up with one more assist per 36 but Eason had a 62% to 54% TS advantage. He puts the ball in the basket. Eason also had a healthy TS advantage versus the rest of his team while Sochan was 8th on his, so Sochan should've been looking to pass more. His teammates were better offensively.

As far as the defensive advantage, Eason has a 50% higher steal rate and double the block rate of Sochan and has an equal defensive rebounding rate. And that isn't just recklessness, it produces results. LSU was the #1 team in steal rate in the NCAA and also #6 in DFG%, both better numbers than Baylor. Eason wasn't the only guy with a high steal rate on LSU, but he did lead the team in blocked shots. I would say that Eason and Sochan impact defenses very differently, although the results at the college level lean heavily to Eason with Sochan having more peak potential.

The-Power · Post #263 » by **The-Power** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:04 pm

toooskies wrote:
The-Power wrote:
toooskies wrote:It's interesting to me to compare Eason to Sochan. Sochan's jumper is prettier but his FT% and 3P% were both much lower than Eason's, so I'd say Eason has an easier path to get become a plus NBA shooter. Sochan can't dribble right OR left. Both guys grade as plus defenders, with Eason being riskier and Sochan being more disciplined.

Sochan is two years younger so if you're in the middle of a rebuild you can wait on seeing his skills improve, but if I'm a team trying to win now (nearly everyone in the 8-20 range), I see more value in Eason.

You left out the big gap in playmaking and passing ability. I also think Sochan is pretty comfortably better on the defensive end and a safer bet here. He also plays more within himself which may or may not be something Eason can correct going forward.

I find the playmaking ability of Sochan to be much less significant than Eason's scoring advantage. Sochan might end up with one more assist per 36 but Eason had a 62% to 54% TS advantage. He puts the ball in the basket. Eason also had a healthy TS advantage versus the rest of his team while Sochan was 8th on his, so Sochan should've been looking to pass more. His teammates were better offensively.

As far as the defensive advantage, Eason has a 50% higher steal rate and double the block rate of Sochan and has an equal defensive rebounding rate. And that isn't just recklessness, it produces results. LSU was the #1 team in steal rate in the NCAA and also #6 in DFG%, both better numbers than Baylor. Eason wasn't the only guy with a high steal rate on LSU, but he did lead the team in blocked shots. I would say that Eason and Sochan impact defenses very differently, although the results at the college level lean heavily to Eason with Sochan having more peak potential.

That is really just looking at boxscores, which doesn't really tell us much about them as prospects.

Eason is a scorer first, second and third. Sochan will be able to come onto NBA teams and be a good connector at the very least. I don't care as much about the difference in raw numbers – what I do care about is that Sochan will be able to play next to more talented offensive players and help them, and generally keep the offensive flow going. Eason has to become either an elite scorer or much better as a playmaker for others, or else his role is always going to be limited on teams with better players than him.

On defense, you put way too much emphasis on stocks. Stocks is a good first indicator with respect to how disruptive a player is. But that's really only one aspect of defense. Thybulle is the king of stocks but he's not one of the best defenders in the NBA. That's because when he's not disruptive, he's not a very impactful defender. Sochan is a really smart defender with versatility, effort and physicality. I'll take that over Eason, who can be incredibly disruptive but plays much less sound – lots of gambles for steals or blocks that end up in defensive breakdowns – and has some other minor issues (a bit too stiff, more prone to waning effort).

Don't get me wrong, Eason is a solid prospect and I'm not here arguing that Sochan is leaps and bounds ahead of him. But I do believe that some of the raw numbers certainly overrate Eason and Sochan is definitely more of type of player who has impact beyond the boxscore. Good reads/passes and sound defense don't catch the eye as much as athletic highlight plays, but they are usually more impactful at the next level. If Sochan's scoring turns out to be relatively poor at the NBA level (which certainly is a possibility), I still like his odds of being an impactful player for a winning team. If Eason's scoring isn't good enough to justify a primary offensive role, I'm much more skeptical (he still has the tools to make it work, but he'd have to improve more in areas difficult to improve than Sochan).

Catchall · Post #264 » by **Catchall** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:40 am

Even if Tari can only drive with his right hand, even if his IQ and decision-making are a little loose, his floor is a player like Josh Smith who had a really big impact in the league. Should be a comfortable pick in the mid-1st round if he's there.

SelfishPlayer · Post #265 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:57 am

Catchall wrote:Even if Tari can only drive with his right hand, even if his IQ and decision-making are a little loose, his floor is a player like Josh Smith who had a really big impact in the league. Should be a comfortable pick in the mid-1st round if he's there.

Nice comparison, but let's respect Josh Smith for getting drafted #17 overall directly out of high school. Tari is in that conversation after two years in college.

The Moose · Post #266 » by **The Moose** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:21 am

Watch on YouTube

SeattleJazzFan · Post #267 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:08 pm

bump.

K_chile22 · Post #268 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:16 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:bump.

He looks great, his hands are so big it seems like they're magnetically attracted to the ball at times. Doesn't seem to be gambling as much for steals and blocks and acually playing real defense, which was a concern of mine, was always possible that was just LSUs crazy style of play tho

SeattleJazzFan · Post #269 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:19 pm

just plays harder than just about everybody else on the floor, has defensive chops and when he makes threes it's just icing on the cake.

still fouls a lot, but with nba coaching, that's something he'll figure out.

BlazersBroncos · Post #270 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:56 pm

His fluidity has stood out more than anything for me. Such an easy mover.

Crash Wallace comps are looking more apt by the day, kid is hungry. Not the athlete Crash was (But few are, like really really few are) but a much better shooter. Crash, Jerami, Josh Smith - he has that caliber of talent (Hesitant to put Josh in there b/c Tari isnt as much a bonehead).

clyde21 · Post #271 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:49 pm

a lot of odd takes in this thread not gonna age well.

also note to NBA GMs: don't let two-way, prototypically sized wings with +athleticism and a good baseline of skill drop to 17.

The Moose · Post #272 » by **The Moose** » Sat Oct 8, 2022 7:49 am

picking up where he left off at summer league, killing it so far in the first 2 games of preseason

22.5 ppg, 9 rebs (5.5 orebs), 2stls, 60/50/88 splits in 23mpg

5.5 orebs and 2stls in 23mpg, nobody matches Tari's activity levels

SeattleJazzFan · Post #273 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:07 pm

19 and 12 on 8-11 FGs last night. dude just continues to kill it.

clyde21 · Post #274 » by **clyde21** » Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:08 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:19 and 12 on 8-11 FGs last night. dude just continues to kill it.

but he looks weird in his LSU team picture

eminence · Post #275 » by **eminence** » Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:36 pm

Huh, I never actually commented in the thread for him. But yeah, love him, and he's looked even better than I anticipated early.

GSWFan1994 · Post #276 » by **GSWFan1994** » Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:15 pm

Yep, the guy just keeps producing, night after night.

I said it back before the draft, but I considered him a top 5 talent and he was criminally underrated throughout the whole process.

I'll go on a limb and say that this guy has a REAL chance of being an All-Star caliber player during his career... he's just that good, very similar to Kawhi.

Imagine if Detroit had got him instead of Duren.

The Moose · Post #277 » by **The Moose** » Thu Nov 7, 2024 10:39 am

currently 4th in BPM and 9th in VORP across the entire league

potential 3rd year breakout

ROballer · Post #278 » by **ROballer** » Thu Nov 7, 2024 4:27 pm

The Moose wrote:currently 4th in BPM and 9th in VORP across the entire league

potential 3rd year breakout

I laugh because every single time everyone talks about anyone else but him when talking about Houston young core.

And he's the best young guy on the Rockets. Yes, better than Sengun.

They messed up getting Dillon, they clearly are playing the politics right now. Contract and veteran status for Brooks, draft position for Smith. He's miles better than both.

This is a guy that if ever gets 30+ minutes a game, you'd have two daily threads about him on the GB. That good and impactful.

People forget but he put up 14/8/2.6 steals in 25 mpg in his last 10 games last year.

Had an injury and was out for the season since December. So really, should've been a 2nd year breakout. Unfortunate injury cost him a year of development.

I strongly am of the opinion he would've won himself the starting job this year if he didn't have the injury last year. Whoever was he replacing I don't know, but his minutes were already jumping off.

K_chile22 · Post #279 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 3:28 pm

Forgot how much better he is and always was than Jabari, think they should see what Jabari is valued at around the league

Chi town · Post #280 » by **Chi town** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 5:07 pm

ROballer wrote:
The Moose wrote:currently 4th in BPM and 9th in VORP across the entire league

potential 3rd year breakout

I laugh because every single time everyone talks about anyone else but him when talking about Houston young core.

And he's the best young guy on the Rockets. Yes, better than Sengun.

They messed up getting Dillon, they clearly are playing the politics right now. Contract and veteran status for Brooks, draft position for Smith. He's miles better than both.

This is a guy that if ever gets 30+ minutes a game, you'd have two daily threads about him on the GB. That good and impactful.

People forget but he put up 14/8/2.6 steals in 25 mpg in his last 10 games last year.

Had an injury and was out for the season since December. So really, should've been a 2nd year breakout. Unfortunate injury cost him a year of development.

I strongly am of the opinion he would've won himself the starting job this year if he didn't have the injury last year. Whoever was he replacing I don't know, but his minutes were already jumping off.

Have always been a big fan of Eason. He impacts games a lot like Caruso but also misses lots of games due to his intensity of play.

I’m hoping he gets moved to a team that starts him and plays him a ton. He has AS potential if he gets burn and stays healthy.