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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#261 » by babyjax13 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:15 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:Risacher has such a high, loose dribble. IDK, I don't really see it with him right now. Obviously, he's young. I'm actually really interested in how Tyler Smith does with the Gleague ignite. I thought he was really interesting in what I saw from OTE. Glad they are switching their model, you just can't keep college-age kids in a high school+ league and expect that to be the best environment for their development. Now it has an actual reason for existing.


Risacher reminds me of Dieng at this point, can go either way with him, might get a pop later on in the draft process because he has nice tools and is a 6-9 premium wing but yea, nothing really special right now

really people are just trying to fill in the gaps for the top 5.

I like his passing, that's about what I have right now. Shooting form is a bit wonky but I think he can be a good shooter.
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Post#262 » by big-shot-ROB » Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:44 pm

Hard to get excited at this point, hoping Proctor and some of the international players really pop otherwise we're in for a long year of trying to see things where there isn't.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#263 » by clyde21 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:59 pm

big-shot-ROB wrote:Hard to get excited at this point, hoping Proctor and some of the international players really pop otherwise we're in for a long year of trying to see things where there isn't.



there are some intriguing guys coming back, that's where the juice of this class is gonna come from like I've been saying, Proctor, Flip, Dillon Mitchell if he improves his shot, Kel'El, etc....lotta giant bigs too, Edey, Kalkbrenner, Clingan.
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Post#264 » by Chuck Everett » Sat Jul 1, 2023 4:39 am

Walter Clayton Jr. (formerly of Iona, now going to Florida) looks like a future NBA guard. I think he's about 6'4 and could play PG in a pinch.
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Post#265 » by EvanZ » Sat Jul 1, 2023 3:17 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:Walter Clayton Jr. (formerly of Iona, now going to Florida) looks like a future NBA guard. I think he's about 6'4 and could play PG in a pinch.

I started a thread on him a couple years ago. He’s smaller than 6’4” around 6’2”. Has turned into a potentially elite shooter. Very good athlete former football player. Thought he would test the waters before now but since he transferred hopefully this is the year he gets noticed.


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Post#266 » by Chuck Everett » Sat Jul 1, 2023 9:25 pm

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Chuck Everett wrote:Walter Clayton Jr. (formerly of Iona, now going to Florida) looks like a future NBA guard. I think he's about 6'4 and could play PG in a pinch.

I started a thread on him a couple years ago. He’s smaller than 6’4” around 6’2”. Has turned into a potentially elite shooter. Very good athlete former football player. Thought he would test the waters before now but since he transferred hopefully this is the year he gets noticed.


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He looked unguardable against UConn in the tournament. We'll see what a full season in the SEC will do to his draft stock.
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Post#269 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Jul 2, 2023 7:22 am

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good video. He's probably the least fraudulent draft "expert" out there. This is a stacked H.S. class, stacked international class and while there aren't as many returning players as 2023 (which saved that class from being awful) it still has some pretty compelling returning talent that will round out the first round. Like I predicted long ago, by the time we reach December all of these talking heads will come around as will the consensus as it pertains to the 2024 class. Now, will that get everyone to change their minds? Nah, I know a couple of guys in particular who won't ever admit they're wrong but without them we wouldn't have spirited debates would we?

Here's a pretty decent breakdown for those that haven't been able to do much research since it's so early. I'm sure several guys I haven't listed will reveal themselves as the season gets started.

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Holland
Buzelis
Collier
Edwards
Bradshaw
Wagner
Walters
McCain
Foster
Mgbako
Pate
Jackson
Williams, C.
Williams, M.
Cadeau
James
Stewart, J.
Adams Jr.
Taylor
Dillingham
Castle
Biliew
Stojakovic
Johnson
Walter
Stevenson
Stewart, S.
Power
Williams, D.
Blocker
Carr
Booker

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Risacher
Almansa
Mara
Darlan
Sarr
Durisic
Ajinca
Little
M'Madi
Vide
Dadiet
Salaun
Ivisic
Prey

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Bona
Ware
Kugel
Proctor
Mitchell, D.
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Klingan
Armstrong
Alexander
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#270 » by lt175 » Sun Jul 2, 2023 9:40 am

Honestly, it's just as good as 2023 or 2022. This draft just lacks someone like Doncic, Zion or Wembanyama, you know the clear top prospect.
The international guys are I think better than in 2023 actually apart from VW obviously.
It's not like the 2023 draft was stacked top to bottom.
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Post#271 » by crows2 » Sun Jul 2, 2023 2:28 pm

It's as deep as any other recent draft. On average all drafts will have around the same level of depth (with a slight increase incrementally as professionalism increases and the game explodes internationally). It's the lack of superstar level prospect at the top that stands out. Pretty much every recent draft has had a clear top 3. The most recent draft included a generational talent in that top 3, which made the draft stand out.

The 2024 draft doesn't yet have any prospect that stands out as a top 3 level guy. At this stage last year Wemby and Scoot had already established themselves as top 3 guys, whilst Miller needed the college season to do that. It's likely that at least one or two guys will get to that level during the next season, but we have no idea who they'll be yet as no one really stands out. I'm not convinced we'll get three guys on that level, but we'll see.
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Post#272 » by big-shot-ROB » Sun Jul 2, 2023 8:29 pm

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Is this a move to get him drafter higher? I'm not sure he's going to get the exposure he thinks he'll get, might've been better to stay in Madrid but maybe he was too far away from the first team tbh.
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Post#273 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Jul 2, 2023 10:53 pm

crows2 wrote:It's as deep as any other recent draft. On average all drafts will have around the same level of depth (with a slight increase incrementally as professionalism increases and the game explodes internationally). It's the lack of superstar level prospect at the top that stands out. Pretty much every recent draft has had a clear top 3. The most recent draft included a generational talent in that top 3, which made the draft stand out.

The 2024 draft doesn't yet have any prospect that stands out as a top 3 level guy. At this stage last year Wemby and Scoot had already established themselves as top 3 guys, whilst Miller needed the college season to do that. It's likely that at least one or two guys will get to that level during the next season, but we have no idea who they'll be yet as no one really stands out. I'm not convinced we'll get three guys on that level, but we'll see.


First of all, what makes a prospect a "superstar level prospect"? If it's being considered one of the top guys then does that make Jabari Smith, Mobley, Ingram, Green and Lonzo superstar level prospects? As far as guys establishing themselves as top guys I think Sarr, Almansa and Ajinca just did that. So literally, "at this stage" we have three elite superstar level guys (if you consider Mobley, Ingram, Lonzo and Green superstar level prospects) at the top of the 2024 draft. You might not see that yet. Scouts and gurus might not. But it happened. As we sit right now, those are the top 3 guys, in no particular order. The narrative that there aren't elite talents at the top of the 2024 class died with the conclusion of the U19 Fiba 2023 tournament. Sarr is the same caliber of prospect as Mobley. He's like his twin in almost every way. Almansa might even be better than him. And Ajinca is a legit 6'8" athlete that can shoot the lights out and defend. He's every bit the prospect 18 y/o Tatum and Ingram were. The only question now is how many high school and other international prospects join them in the elite category.
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Post#274 » by crows2 » Mon Jul 3, 2023 9:53 am

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crows2 wrote:It's as deep as any other recent draft. On average all drafts will have around the same level of depth (with a slight increase incrementally as professionalism increases and the game explodes internationally). It's the lack of superstar level prospect at the top that stands out. Pretty much every recent draft has had a clear top 3. The most recent draft included a generational talent in that top 3, which made the draft stand out.

The 2024 draft doesn't yet have any prospect that stands out as a top 3 level guy. At this stage last year Wemby and Scoot had already established themselves as top 3 guys, whilst Miller needed the college season to do that. It's likely that at least one or two guys will get to that level during the next season, but we have no idea who they'll be yet as no one really stands out. I'm not convinced we'll get three guys on that level, but we'll see.


First of all, what makes a prospect a "superstar level prospect"? If it's being considered one of the top guys then does that make Jabari Smith, Mobley, Ingram, Green and Lonzo superstar level prospects? As far as guys establishing themselves as top guys I think Sarr, Almansa and Ajinca just did that. So literally, "at this stage" we have three elite superstar level guys (if you consider Mobley, Ingram, Lonzo and Green superstar level prospects) at the top of the 2024 draft. You might not see that yet. Scouts and gurus might not. But it happened. As we sit right now, those are the top 3 guys, in no particular order. The narrative that there aren't elite talents at the top of the 2024 class died with the conclusion of the U19 Fiba 2023 tournament. Sarr is the same caliber of prospect as Mobley. He's like his twin in almost every way. Almansa might even be better than him. And Ajinca is a legit 6'8" athlete that can shoot the lights out and defend. He's every bit the prospect 18 y/o Tatum and Ingram were. The only question now is how many high school and other international prospects join them in the elite category.


What made those guys top 3 level prospects? For Smith, Mobley and Ingram - starring in college as freshmen, just as Miller did this year. As I said, it's likely that 1 or 2 players from this class will have a similar impact in college or the G-League and elevate themselves to that level, but at this stage it's almost impossible to tell who that will be.

As for the guys in the U19 World Cup, I'm very bullish on Almansa and was confused even before the tournament as to why he hasn't been mocked higher. He's been the clear standout player at his age group for a number of years now. Whether or not he has the versatility and overall game to star in the NBA is obviously the debate. I certainly don't begrudge you for rating him that highly, and it'll be fascinating to see how he compares to Buzelis and Holland in the G-League. I wouldn't be surprised if he outplays them.

Ajinca looked great in the tournament. I'm not convinced about him being 6'8, but he should certainly be rated higher than many American freshman who are currently mocked ahead of him. I don't see Sarr as a top 3 guy - compare his impact to Chet (and of course Wemby) at the previous U19 WC and I don't think he matches up. Good prospect though, and I don't see how he's any worse than Bradshaw - in fact I think Sarr is a better player than him right now. The NBL is a very tough league for rookies, it'll be interesting to see how he fares.
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Post#275 » by zimpy27 » Mon Jul 3, 2023 10:30 am

I've a theory that Ive wrote about before but birth rate increased year-on-year from 2002 to 2008 in both USA and Europe. This was the first time birth rates increased in Europe in 50 years and in USA it was first time since 1984-1989 (this era of increasing birthrate produced LeBron, Durant, Curry, Harden, CP3, Wade).

This theory is based on the idea that resources and training get better with time but this is usually combined with decreasing birthrates. Increasing birthrate means you have a larger population to pull better players with unexpanded resources meaning greater competition from early age. Thus the 2002 to 2008 birth era should make for strong drafts from ~2022 to ~2028.
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Post#276 » by BostonCouchGM » Mon Jul 3, 2023 9:13 pm

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crows2 wrote:It's as deep as any other recent draft. On average all drafts will have around the same level of depth (with a slight increase incrementally as professionalism increases and the game explodes internationally). It's the lack of superstar level prospect at the top that stands out. Pretty much every recent draft has had a clear top 3. The most recent draft included a generational talent in that top 3, which made the draft stand out.

The 2024 draft doesn't yet have any prospect that stands out as a top 3 level guy. At this stage last year Wemby and Scoot had already established themselves as top 3 guys, whilst Miller needed the college season to do that. It's likely that at least one or two guys will get to that level during the next season, but we have no idea who they'll be yet as no one really stands out. I'm not convinced we'll get three guys on that level, but we'll see.


First of all, what makes a prospect a "superstar level prospect"? If it's being considered one of the top guys then does that make Jabari Smith, Mobley, Ingram, Green and Lonzo superstar level prospects? As far as guys establishing themselves as top guys I think Sarr, Almansa and Ajinca just did that. So literally, "at this stage" we have three elite superstar level guys (if you consider Mobley, Ingram, Lonzo and Green superstar level prospects) at the top of the 2024 draft. You might not see that yet. Scouts and gurus might not. But it happened. As we sit right now, those are the top 3 guys, in no particular order. The narrative that there aren't elite talents at the top of the 2024 class died with the conclusion of the U19 Fiba 2023 tournament. Sarr is the same caliber of prospect as Mobley. He's like his twin in almost every way. Almansa might even be better than him. And Ajinca is a legit 6'8" athlete that can shoot the lights out and defend. He's every bit the prospect 18 y/o Tatum and Ingram were. The only question now is how many high school and other international prospects join them in the elite category.


What made those guys top 3 level prospects? For Smith, Mobley and Ingram - starring in college as freshmen, just as Miller did this year. As I said, it's likely that 1 or 2 players from this class will have a similar impact in college or the G-League and elevate themselves to that level, but at this stage it's almost impossible to tell who that will be.

As for the guys in the U19 World Cup, I'm very bullish on Almansa and was confused even before the tournament as to why he hasn't been mocked higher. He's been the clear standout player at his age group for a number of years now. Whether or not he has the versatility and overall game to star in the NBA is obviously the debate. I certainly don't begrudge you for rating him that highly, and it'll be fascinating to see how he compares to Buzelis and Holland in the G-League. I wouldn't be surprised if he outplays them.

Ajinca looked great in the tournament. I'm not convinced about him being 6'8, but he should certainly be rated higher than many American freshman who are currently mocked ahead of him. I don't see Sarr as a top 3 guy - compare his impact to Chet (and of course Wemby) at the previous U19 WC and I don't think he matches up. Good prospect though, and I don't see how he's any worse than Bradshaw - in fact I think Sarr is a better player than him right now. The NBL is a very tough league for rookies, it'll be interesting to see how he fares.


But you said "It's the lack of superstar level prospect at the top that stands out." This is what is confusing me. If the supposed "superstar talents" didn't prove themselves until starring as freshmen, then why weren't those classes deemed weak a year before the draft like 2024 is being? I mean, people are laughably claiming this is going to be one of the weakest drafts ever. Why were previous classes allowed to actually let things play out but this one isn't? Wembanyama and Scoot are outliers. Scoot was young and playing in an advanced league and obviously Wembanyama is a unicorn. But most classes don't have that. They have guys the "experts" think are going to be great, which then gets parroted on here. And on here, these are the guys touted as "superstars" or "top guys" before they prove it in college. The "scouts" haven't determined who those guys are yet for the 2024 class so people on here don't know what to parrot. So the 2024 class MUST be weak since it has no top guys according to scouts. Like you allowed those three to star in college as freshmen which established them as top guys, everyone should allow these 2024 kids to do likewise. It's my contention that all the scouts are complete frauds and "top guys" need to be so obvious, safe, spelled out for them, and easily agreed upon as a consensus, before they'll collectively commit. This class actually has more guys that could be special so it takes more skill to discern and more risk is involved in declaring who the top guys are so they're reticent to do it just yet.

As far as the U19 stars. What they showed, against their peers in the this tournament is similar to starring in freshmen year imho. Sarr JUST turned 18 y/o. His numbers might not be super impressive but he's on the floor with 3 other NBA talents. His impact was just as great as theirs. And his NBA talents and traits are what's more important and were on full display. Ajinca might not be 6'8" but he doesn't look all that much shorter than Almansa and Sarr who are both legit 6'10 plus so that's just what I'm assuming he is until we get "official" measurements. Only because these three have done it on the biggest stage possible for us to judge, and the US kids haven't yet, plus they're very skilled, talented and physically gifted, are why I've got them top 3 as we sit. All three will of course need to follow this up by continuing to improve and showing out until the draft. There WILL be several US kids that will push them if not surpass them. And then hopefully the narrative that there's no top guys can die.
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Post#277 » by clyde21 » Wed Jul 5, 2023 2:13 am

Trentyn Flowers is my early candidate for 'way underranked' atm

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Post#278 » by sisibilio » Thu Jul 6, 2023 5:29 pm

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He left Madrid 2 years ago to join OTE.
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Post#279 » by Chuck Everett » Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:02 am

I am all in on Tyrese Proctor to be a top 5 pick to San Antonio if they are bad enough record wise/lottery. He's exactly what they need to unlock their roster's full potential (if it can't be found via trade).
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Post#280 » by BostonCouchGM » Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:49 am

Chuck Everett wrote:I am all in on Tyrese Proctor to be a top 5 pick to San Antonio if they are bad enough record wise/lottery. He's exactly what they need to unlock their roster's full potential (if it can't be found via trade).


I'm not sure Proctor is even a top 5 guard let alone top 5 overall.

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