Alex Sarr

[FarBeyondDriven]

So your argument is nobody, not one person was touting him as the clear cut #1 pick? Do you need me to go find 15 examples and post them? This is turning into such a dumb conversation. Again not sure why you are dying on this hill.

Please move on from this. I will let you feel like you won this one if you just stop responding lol

my argument is the prevailing sentiment on this board and on the planet that there was no "clear cut #1" guy in the 2024 draft, including for people that had Sarr #1 like myself.

if you saw someone or somewhere else say that they were an outlier and irrelevant, so you're just either making **** up or arguing against an irrelevant strawman. which is it?

I honestly don't know what you are looking for?

I already sent you a link that backed up what I was saying. Which is more than whatever you are dragging out. If you need another example there was a lot of Hawks fans who wanted to draft Sarr because that was the general consensus among major news outlets.

Did 90+% of people have Sarr #1? No that would be Absolute Consensus aka Wemby.

Did more people have Sarr #1 than any other prospect? Yes. Aka General Consensus.

Idk how to make it any more clear than that. If you can't understand then I think we should agree to move on.

bro, you have to stop taking the bait.

[Big J]

17, 14, 3, 1 & 2. Yea, if you think he's gonna bust at this point GTFO. He's easily got the highest ceiling in the draft.

[FarBeyondDriven]

17, 14, 3, 1 & 2. Yea, if you think he's gonna bust at this point GTFO. He's easily got the highest ceiling in the draft.

I loved seeing him getting aggressive in the post and mid-range. He really shouldn't be taking three pointers until he can prove he can hit them. Wizards are not doing his development any favors but he might be so talented that he'll be good anyway.

[remi_222]

Him and Risacher have the same problem for nom : they have problem to finish around the rim despite having great moves. I guess it's quite normal for rookies and they'll get better with time.
Sarr hasn't been able to be efficient with his turn around jumper since the begining of the season, whenever he gets better with this move, he'll reach another level. He goes to fast and doesnt draw contact before shooting, which would allow him to have more chances to go to the line, something that Bilal Coulibaly has understand and corrected.
We'll see adjustments by the end of the season for sure but playing for the Wizz doesnt help at all !

[Big J]

20, 7, 3, 1 & 1. Kid looks like ROY material.

[HadAnEffectHere]

20, 7, 3, 1 & 1. Kid looks like ROY material.

He is the worst offensive player in the NBA by a giant margin.

75 TS+ is the worst mark probably in NBA history for a starter.

[Big J]

20, 7, 3, 1 & 1. Kid looks like ROY material.

He is the worst offensive player in the NBA by a giant margin.

75 TS+ is the worst mark probably in NBA history for a starter.

He just shot 4-5 from 3…

[JMAC3]

Sarr is terrible this year though, which is probably expected to some degree playing in a terrible team environment that is playing a bunch of rookies who have no clue what they are doing. The Vets on the team are Poole and Kuzma who are probably seen as "losing players" by most.

Sarr EPM Ranks
Overall -4.9 2% 8th worst in league
Offense -2.5 19% 305/380
Defense -2.4 1% 7th worst in league

The other 10 players in the bottom of overall EPM with Sarr. Cody Williams, Collier, Strawther, Shead, Hukporti, Micic, Josh Richardson, Scoot, Max Christie and Gabe Vincent. Not a group of names you want to be associated with if youre trying to sell him as a good player.

He is showing flashes and he does boast a potentially rare skillset of being able to both protect the rim on one end and shoot threes on the other. He is 95th percentile in blocked shots, but only shooting 24% from three. He is making a decent volume though pacing to make 80+ threes this year.

Lopez, Chet, Wemby, JJJ, Turner, Porzingis, Horford, Vucevic, Reath and Jokic were only centers last year to make 80+ threes. So again he does offer a unique skill set, but he as of right now it is nowhere near being polished, he is a bad NBA player right now.

[Big J]

Sarr is terrible this year though, which is probably expected to some degree playing in a terrible team environment that is playing a bunch of rookies who have no clue what they are doing. The Vets on the team are Poole and Kuzma who are probably seen as "losing players" by most.

Sarr EPM Ranks
Overall -4.9 2% 8th worst in league
Offense -2.5 19% 305/380
Defense -2.4 1% 7th worst in league

The other 10 players in the bottom of overall EPM with Sarr. Cody Williams, Collier, Strawther, Shead, Hukporti, Micic, Josh Richardson, Scoot, Max Christie and Gabe Vincent. Not a group of names you want to be associated with if youre trying to sell him as a good player.

He is showing flashes and he does boast a potentially rare skillset of being able to both protect the rim on one end and shoot threes on the other. He is 95th percentile in blocked shots, but only shooting 24% from three. He is making a decent volume though pacing to make 80+ threes this year.

Lopez, Chet, Wemby, JJJ, Turner, Porzingis, Horford, Vucevic, Reath and Jokic were only centers last year to make 80+ threes. So again he does offer a unique skill set, but he as of right now it is nowhere near being polished, he is a bad NBA player right now.

Yeah, he’s a bad player right now, but take his best games and throw out the bad ones and he is a legit stud. Those good games show a glimpse of what he is going to look like when he has had a couple of years under his belt.

[HadAnEffectHere]

I mean, the good games are mostly him getting lucky from three and it's not clear this will happen as he ages?

His touch is abysmal.

We'll see how he turns out in a few years.

[Big J]

I mean, the good games are mostly him getting lucky from three and it's not clear this will happen as he ages?

His touch is abysmal.

We'll see how he turns out in a few years.

Yeah, but his defense is phenomenal though. Even in bad games. The guy is an absolute beast on that end. The threes are just a bonus, and a way to keep the other team honest.

[peZt]

Even if he doesnt improve his touch, a DPOY candidate at the 5 who can shoot 3's and FT's and can catch passes and throw it down will always be a valuable center. And worthy of a 2nd pick in a weak draft.
The only thing he needs to do is just pick and roll and be a lob threat or pick and pop and shoot the 3 and he'll bring value. Anything on top of that is bonus. And that's assuming he will never improve outside of his shot

Of course if he never becomes a reliable shooter that's a different story but the shooting potential is obvious

[The-Power]

Even if he doesnt improve his touch, a DPOY candidate at the 5 who can shoot 3's and FT's and can catch passes and throw it down will always be a valuable center. And worthy of a 2nd pick in a weak draft.
The only thing he needs to do is just pick and roll and be a lob threat or pick and pop and shoot the 3 and he'll bring value. Anything on top of that is bonus. And that's assuming he will never improve outside of his shot

Of course if he never becomes a reliable shooter that's a different story but the shooting potential is obvious

You also can't just pencil him in as a DPOY-level Center just yet. That's a high bar to clear. He has potential on both ends but the same question marks still remain and will likely remain for a while longer. So any kind of grand declarations about him as a player, in either direction, are horribly premature.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Alex Sarr currently has shooting splits of 38/25/66 (and a shot distribution that gives him a TS+ of 81, probably the worst mark for a center in the last decade) and is the worst offensive player in the NBA while anchoring the worst defense in the NBA.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Alex Sarr currently has shooting splits of 38/25/66 (and a shot distribution that gives him a TS+ of 81, probably the worst mark for a center in the last decade) and is the worst offensive player in the NBA while anchoring the worst defense in the NBA.

Wizards being the worst defense has zero to do with Sarr. They have several guys, all bad defenders, with one-foot out the door and the others are all young players nearly as raw as Sarr. Not to mention they're tanking. He has elite tools. He's flashed plenty. That is all that should be expected of him this season.

[tontoz]

I mean, the good games are mostly him getting lucky from three and it's not clear this will happen as he ages?

His touch is abysmal.

We'll see how he turns out in a few years.

Yeah, but his defense is phenomenal though. Even in bad games. The guy is an absolute beast on that end. The threes are just a bonus, and a way to keep the other team honest.

Sarr is pretty far from a beast on D. Other teams are targeting him actually with their bigs. The one that stand out are Jaren Jackson and Sengun who got their season highs going right at him.

If he gets switched on to a smaller player he does fine but against bigs he is getting bullied.

[Big J]

I mean, the good games are mostly him getting lucky from three and it's not clear this will happen as he ages?

His touch is abysmal.

We'll see how he turns out in a few years.

Yeah, but his defense is phenomenal though. Even in bad games. The guy is an absolute beast on that end. The threes are just a bonus, and a way to keep the other team honest.

Sarr is pretty far from a beast on D. Other teams are targeting him actually with their bigs. The one that stand out are Jaren Jackson and Sengun who got their season highs going right at him.

If he gets switched on to a smaller player he does fine but against bigs he is getting bullied.

You want guys like Sengun & JJJ getting their season highs. That just means that you are forcing those guys to be scorers, and not setting up their teammates.

[tontoz]

Yeah, but his defense is phenomenal though. Even in bad games. The guy is an absolute beast on that end. The threes are just a bonus, and a way to keep the other team honest.

Sarr is pretty far from a beast on D. Other teams are targeting him actually with their bigs. The one that stand out are Jaren Jackson and Sengun who got their season highs going right at him.

If he gets switched on to a smaller player he does fine but against bigs he is getting bullied.

You want guys like Sengun & JJJ getting their season highs. That just means that you are forcing those guys to be scorers, and not setting up their teammates.

JJJ averages 1.3 assists per game lol. He scored 39 in only 28 minutes with Sarr as the primary defender. That is awful no way to spin that.

Sengun got 27/17 against us shooting 12-19 and we "held" him to 3 assists. Not good.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I mean, the good games are mostly him getting lucky from three and it's not clear this will happen as he ages?

His touch is abysmal.

We'll see how he turns out in a few years.

Yeah, but his defense is phenomenal though. Even in bad games. The guy is an absolute beast on that end. The threes are just a bonus, and a way to keep the other team honest.

Sarr is pretty far from a beast on D. Other teams are targeting him actually with their bigs. The one that stand out are Jaren Jackson and Sengun who got their season highs going right at him.

If he gets switched on to a smaller player he does fine but against bigs he is getting bullied.

those are two very good players. The Wizards are historically awful on defense. Sarr isn't responsible for even 1/3 of those point.

[tontoz]

those are two very good players. The Wizards are historically awful on defense. Sarr isn't responsible for even 1/3 of those point.

I watched the games. Their game plan was to go right at him. They bullied him under the rim and scored right in his face over and over. Sarr was scared of the drive and left Jackson open for a few 3s as well.

Sengun got the memo and dunked right in Sarr's face the first time he touched the ball

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