2024 NBA Draft Thread

[FarBeyondDriven]

those teams in the late teens early 20s (ORL, CLE, TOR) really dropped the ball and allowed better players to fall to MIL, WAS and NY. WAS draft is an all-timer. Best in their history imo.

[babyjax13]

God wish we could moved up for George : (

[SNPA]

Devin Carter. Wow. I didn’t think that guy was going to be around when Sac picked (if they picked). While the hole at PF continues, there are some options, getting Carter is big. I see a winner in him. Putting him with Keon to pair with Fox, damn. Defense. Mitchell is a question mark going forward.

[SNPA]

Kings continue trend of drafting older players

2021 - Davion Mitchell
2022 - Keegan Murray
2023 - Olivier-Maxence Prosper
2024 - Devin Carter

OMax was never going to be a King.

But you’re right, Monte has a type. He also values stocks.

[Klomp]

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[BigGargamel]

The Lakers stealing Knecht pisses me off so much. He was my pick to be ROY but I don't know if he gets enough looks on that team. Still, huge value there.

Edey is probably my early pick for ROY. I could see him starting right away in Memphis. Sarr and Castle are the only other two rookies I see starting opening night. Risacher depending on what moves the Hawks make.

[SelfishPlayer]

Dillingham was my #2 prospect. People call the Wolves GM the architect of the Nuggets team, perhaps he really knows what he is doing because Dillingham looks like your typical franchise PG and future max contract earner to me. During the draft they were mentioning his name with Allen Iverson.

[The-Power]

No one will care if Jared McCain turns out to be as good as short thick guys like Lowry, FVV, and Brunson. Nick Nurse won a championship with a short backcourt.

Those guys are PGs, though. McCain is not. But he should fit well next to a bigger playmaker or another Guard that can hold his defensively, and I'm not worried about him when he comes off the bench (likely the case at least for the near future).

[SelfishPlayer]

No one will care if Jared McCain turns out to be as good as short thick guys like Lowry, FVV, and Brunson. Nick Nurse won a championship with a short backcourt.

Those guys are PGs, though. McCain is not. But he should fit well next to a bigger playmaker or another Guard that can hold his defensively, and I'm not worried about him when he comes off the bench (likely the case at least for the near future).

I don't think that the guys that I mentioned are natural point guards. They are all scorers that developed point guard chops. Tyrese Maxey developed into a point guard on the NBA level. I don't think there is anything stopping McCain from developing into yet another scoring point guard. Is there something about his game that will peclude him from developing into that kind of role?

[crows2]

So spurs traded the number 8 for 2030 picks ? ....why not win now....should of traded 4 and 8 to go get shepherd

That was the big fail of the draft imo. The Spurs should've traded up to 3 for Sheppard. He would've been a perfect fit with Wemby. I fear Sheppard might get lost amidst the logjam of Rockets prospects. He won't have a large role as he would've at the Spurs.

[The-Power]

No one will care if Jared McCain turns out to be as good as short thick guys like Lowry, FVV, and Brunson. Nick Nurse won a championship with a short backcourt.

Those guys are PGs, though. McCain is not. But he should fit well next to a bigger playmaker or another Guard that can hold his defensively, and I'm not worried about him when he comes off the bench (likely the case at least for the near future).

I don't think that the guys that I mentioned are natural point guards. They are all scorers that developed point guard chops. Tyrese Maxey developed into a point guard on the NBA level. I don't think there is anything stopping McCain from developing into yet another scoring point guard. Is there something about his game that will peclude him from developing into that kind of role?

Yeah, he doesn't have PG instincts. You cannot just expect anyone to develop them. Playing PG in the NBA is incredibly hard – even for those who grew up as them.

Also, FVV and Brunson were absolutely PG prospects. I just don't see any reason to believe that McCain is one, too. Maxey is also not a natural PG but he can play the position because of his on-ball creation ability (and because Embiid also takes on a ton of duties). McCain is not only limited as a passer but also not someone who can regularly break defenses down. It's virtually impossible to justify having the ball in the hands of a player who's not at least very good at one of the two aspects (and ideally both) in the NBA.

It doesn't hurt to hope and pray that McCain has outlier development but you should absolutely not count on it.

[SelfishPlayer]

Those guys are PGs, though. McCain is not. But he should fit well next to a bigger playmaker or another Guard that can hold his defensively, and I'm not worried about him when he comes off the bench (likely the case at least for the near future).

I don't think that the guys that I mentioned are natural point guards. They are all scorers that developed point guard chops. Tyrese Maxey developed into a point guard on the NBA level. I don't think there is anything stopping McCain from developing into yet another scoring point guard. Is there something about his game that will peclude him from developing into that kind of role?

Yeah, he doesn't have PG instincts. You cannot just expect anyone to develop them. Playing PG in the NBA is incredibly hard – even for those who grew up as them.

Also, FVV and Brunson were absolutely PG prospects. I just don't see any reason to believe that McCain is one, too. Maxey is also not a natural PG but he can play the position because of his on-ball creation ability (and because Embiid also takes on a ton of duties). McCain is not only limited as a passer but also not someone who can regularly break defenses down. It's virtually impossible to justify having the ball in the hands of a player who's not at least very good at one of the two aspects (and ideally both) in the NBA.

It doesn't hurt to hope and pray that McCain has outlier development but you should absolutely not count on it.

Most players aren't Allen Iverson with the ability to break every defense down without a single pick and roll being called for him to do so. Most PGa today are utilizing the pick and roll and attacking mismatches. I don't see where McCain is some unique perimeter player without the ability to run the pick and roll and all of the subsequent reads that come with it. Tyrese Maxey learned to do it. Quickly learned to do it. Why is McCain "uniquely" incapable? He's not. He can get 6-8 assists as a starting PG just like the rest of these guys. Jamal Murray average 3.7 assists per 100 possessions in college. Jared McCain averaged 3.6.

[The-Power]

Most players aren't Allen Iverson with the ability to break every defense down without a single pick and roll being called for him to do so. Most PGa today are utilizing the pick and roll and attacking mismatches. I don't see where McCain is some unique perimeter player without the ability to run the pick and roll and all of the subsequent reads that come with it. Tyrese Maxey learned to do it. Quickly learned to do it. Why is McCain "uniquely" incapable? He's not. He can get 6-8 assists as a starting PG just like the rest of these guys. Jamal Murray average 3.7 assists per 100 possessions in college. Jared McCain averaged 3.6.

He's not ‘uniquely’ incapable. Whoever said that? In fact, the vast majority of players aren't capable of turning into PGs in the NBA when they struggled with playmaking and shot creation in college. For every exception there are dozens of players proving the rule. You are the one choosing to believe that McCain will be the exception (while also comparing him to players that were either much better playmakers, much better shot creators (and by the way nobody is talking about breaking down any defense at will all on their own, that's a strawman you put up), or both). You're free to believe what you want but saying ‘anyone can do it’ is not going to be a very convincing argument because most, in fact, cannot do it.

[SelfishPlayer]

Most players aren't Allen Iverson with the ability to break every defense down without a single pick and roll being called for him to do so. Most PGa today are utilizing the pick and roll and attacking mismatches. I don't see where McCain is some unique perimeter player without the ability to run the pick and roll and all of the subsequent reads that come with it. Tyrese Maxey learned to do it. Quickly learned to do it. Why is McCain "uniquely" incapable? He's not. He can get 6-8 assists as a starting PG just like the rest of these guys. Jamal Murray average 3.7 assists per 100 possessions in college. Jared McCain averaged 3.6.

He's not ‘uniquely’ incapable. Whoever said that? In fact, the vast majority of players aren't capable of turning into PGs in the NBA when they struggled with playmaking and shot creation in college. For every exception there are dozens of players proving the rule. You are the one choosing to believe that McCain will be the exception (while also comparing him to players that were either much better playmakers, much better shot creators (and by the way nobody is talking about breaking down any defense at will all on their own, that's a strawman you put up), or both). You're free to believe what you want but saying ‘anyone can do it’ is not going to be a very convincing argument because most, in fact, cannot do it.

Ben Simmons was a NBA PG...

[The-Power]

Most players aren't Allen Iverson with the ability to break every defense down without a single pick and roll being called for him to do so. Most PGa today are utilizing the pick and roll and attacking mismatches. I don't see where McCain is some unique perimeter player without the ability to run the pick and roll and all of the subsequent reads that come with it. Tyrese Maxey learned to do it. Quickly learned to do it. Why is McCain "uniquely" incapable? He's not. He can get 6-8 assists as a starting PG just like the rest of these guys. Jamal Murray average 3.7 assists per 100 possessions in college. Jared McCain averaged 3.6.

He's not ‘uniquely’ incapable. Whoever said that? In fact, the vast majority of players aren't capable of turning into PGs in the NBA when they struggled with playmaking and shot creation in college. For every exception there are dozens of players proving the rule. You are the one choosing to believe that McCain will be the exception (while also comparing him to players that were either much better playmakers, much better shot creators (and by the way nobody is talking about breaking down any defense at will all on their own, that's a strawman you put up), or both). You're free to believe what you want but saying ‘anyone can do it’ is not going to be a very convincing argument because most, in fact, cannot do it.

Ben Simmons was a NBA PG...

Not sure how that relates (considering Ben Simmons was an elite passer and able to set up teammates but, funnily enough, also always had certain limitations as a PG and very much faltered towards the end) but as I already mentioned: you're absolutely free to believe that McCain will be an NBA PG, and we can just leave it at that.

[red_power]

Dillingham was my #2 prospect. People call the Wolves GM the architect of the Nuggets team, perhaps he really knows what he is doing because Dillingham looks like your typical franchise PG and future max contract earner to me. During the draft they were mentioning his name with Allen Iverson.

He weights like a bird and has a really frail stature. You have to be an Ja Morant or Iverson-level athlete to overcome these shortcomings, otherwise it's difficult to see him ending up more than Anfernee Simons or Lou Williams in the best case. I can't say that's a bad outcome but he doesn't look like a steal anyway.

[SelfishPlayer]

He's not ‘uniquely’ incapable. Whoever said that? In fact, the vast majority of players aren't capable of turning into PGs in the NBA when they struggled with playmaking and shot creation in college. For every exception there are dozens of players proving the rule. You are the one choosing to believe that McCain will be the exception (while also comparing him to players that were either much better playmakers, much better shot creators (and by the way nobody is talking about breaking down any defense at will all on their own, that's a strawman you put up), or both). You're free to believe what you want but saying ‘anyone can do it’ is not going to be a very convincing argument because most, in fact, cannot do it.

Ben Simmons was a NBA PG...

Not sure how that relates (considering Ben Simmons was an elite passer and able to set up teammates but, funnily enough, also always had certain limitations as a PG and very much faltered towards the end) but as I already mentioned: you're absolutely free to believe that McCain will be an NBA PG, and we can just leave it at that.

There is no such thing as an elite passer whose career high average in assists was only 8.2.

[SelfishPlayer]

Dillingham was my #2 prospect. People call the Wolves GM the architect of the Nuggets team, perhaps he really knows what he is doing because Dillingham looks like your typical franchise PG and future max contract earner to me. During the draft they were mentioning his name with Allen Iverson.

He weights like a bird and has a really frail stature. You have to be an Ja Morant or Iverson-level athlete to overcome these shortcomings, otherwise it's difficult to see him ending up more than Anfernee Simons or Lou Williams in the best case. I can't say that's a bad outcome but he doesn't look like a steal anyway.

There is no such thing as being too light in weight to be great at basketball. Allen Iverson, Reggie Miller, and Durant are proof. You can't be too light in weight to be an All NBA level player.

[The-Power]

Which are some the players you are intrigued by in the second round of the draft? Any players you believe should have absolutely been FRPs, or players you would really like to have on your team?

A couple names that still intrigue me quite a bit (in rough order):

Kyle Filipowski
Tyler Smith
Johnny Furphy
Nikola Djurisic
Pelle Larsson
Kevin McCullar
Tyler Kolek
Justin Edwards
Harrison Ingram
Keshad Johnson
Antonio Reeves

[SelfishPlayer]

Most of the players on my big board were drafted do I'm bolding the ones still on the board.

Big board
1.Ronald Holland 2.Rob Dillingham 3.Alexandre Sarr 4.Zaccharie Risacher 5.Tidjane Salaun 6.Cody Williams 7 Matas Buzelis 8. Reed Sheppard 9 Isaiah Collier 10 Jaylon Tyson 11. Dillon Jones 12 KEL’EL WARE 13 Stephon Castle 14 Dalton Knecht 15 AJ Johnson 16 Pacome Dadiet 17 KyShawn George 18 Tristan da Silva 19 KJ Simpson 20 Jalen Bridges 21 Jaylen Wells 22 Zach Edey 23 Nikola Topic 24 Jonathan Mogbo 25 Adem Bona 26 Justin Edwards 27 Devin Carter 28 Nikola Djurisic 29 DaRon Holmes 30 Jared McCain