Luka Doncic Part III

[Rn5ho]

Haven't seen this one posted yet:

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[Heej]

He's competing against grown men as a doughy 18 year old. Imagine what happens when he gets on an NBA training program and top grade PEDs

[InTheNBADraft]

He's the only one at the top of the draft that looks special atm, everyone can be good, put up stats, but special? Doncic has the potential, but I have no idea if it will actuallly come to fruition.

[Nikson]

He's the only one at the top of the draft that looks special atm, everyone can be good, put up stats, but special? Doncic has the potential, but I have no idea if it will actuallly come to fruition.

I agree with you.
And we can not know that for anyone.

[UcanUwill]

Ayton and Young looks like they could be special, but can aslo be big busts. Well, Aytons floor is pretty high, but I think he will end up being a disappointment.

[Mirotic12]

Let's hear what coaching legend said about Luka,

Dusan Ivkovic

"I think there's a very clear answer this season, because in the EuroLeague you have one young guy who is making a big, big difference: Luka Doncic. For talent at the same age as he is, I can say very simply that I've been lucky to coach many big names. But if I can compare him now, at the same age, with Petrovic, Radja, Kukoc, Divac, Danilovic, Djordjevic... I think none of them was so mature a player at such a young age as this guy Luka Doncic. Why? It's very simple. Creation is the most beautiful part of basketball, and he can create his own shot and create for others. He's also a great rebounder and can defend very well. So, for sure, he's the name I would start my team with."

There was an interview with Ivkovic a few weeks back I saw, where they asked him to name the 3 most individually dominant players in European basketball history.

His answer was Jaric's father and Spanoulis, and then he said Doncic isn't that far off from those two already, and could probably join them in a couple years.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/3/9/17100388/luka-doncics-injury-hurt-draft-stock-dallas-mavericks-nba-draft-dirk-nowitzki

Something to think about for our friend daoneandonly Mav.

Laso already said he's not even injured. He was asked about it and said he had something super minor and would never normally miss a game. He just flat out said Doncic is really tried and he needed a couple weeks of rest.

He's competing against grown men as a doughy 18 year old. Imagine what happens when he gets on an NBA training program and top grade PEDs

He's actually 19. And the PED thing has already been debunked here in these Doncic threads. He plays in Real Madrid (probably the world's biggest sports club, and easily one of the 5-10 richest sports clubs in the world). So the chance he isn't already on the world's best designer PEDs already, is virtually zero.

[Brauer]

He's competing against grown men as a doughy 18 year old. Imagine what happens when he gets on an NBA training program and top grade PEDs

Everyone gets more athletic when they get to the NBA, to a varying degree. Especially given how young Doncic is relative to most top draft prospects. Maybe that will take him to the next level.

[BoardCrusher]

I just hope he doesnt land on the Suns, that would be the worst destination possible, in pre draft talks with teams he needs to tell them straight off, that he has no interest playing for that organisation, hopefully Dragic already advised him that.

[Bob8]

Let's hear what coaching legend said about Luka,

Dusan Ivkovic

"I think there's a very clear answer this season, because in the EuroLeague you have one young guy who is making a big, big difference: Luka Doncic. For talent at the same age as he is, I can say very simply that I've been lucky to coach many big names. But if I can compare him now, at the same age, with Petrovic, Radja, Kukoc, Divac, Danilovic, Djordjevic... I think none of them was so mature a player at such a young age as this guy Luka Doncic. Why? It's very simple. Creation is the most beautiful part of basketball, and he can create his own shot and create for others. He's also a great rebounder and can defend very well. So, for sure, he's the name I would start my team with."

There was an interview with Ivkovic a few weeks back I saw, where they asked him to name the 3 most individually dominant players in European basketball history.

His answer was Jaric's father and Spanoulis, and then he said Doncic isn't that far off from those two already, and could probably join them in a couple years.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/3/9/17100388/luka-doncics-injury-hurt-draft-stock-dallas-mavericks-nba-draft-dirk-nowitzki

Something to think about for our friend daoneandonly Mav.

Laso already said he's not even injured. He was asked about it and said he had something super minor and would never normally miss a game. He just flat out said Doncic is really tried and he needed a couple weeks of rest.

He's competing against grown men as a doughy 18 year old. Imagine what happens when he gets on an NBA training program and top grade PEDs

He's actually 19. And the PED thing has already been debunked here in these Doncic threads. He plays in Real Madrid (probably the world's biggest sports club, and easily one of the 5-10 richest sports clubs in the world). So the chance he isn't already on the world's best designer PEDs already, is virtually zero.

Doncic has grade 2 muscle strain. Even with grade 1, you’re out normally 1 week at least. Yes, it’s not serious injury, but muscle strains are very tricky, because they can lead in more serious injury.

[Heej]

Let's hear what coaching legend said about Luka,

Dusan Ivkovic

"I think there's a very clear answer this season, because in the EuroLeague you have one young guy who is making a big, big difference: Luka Doncic. For talent at the same age as he is, I can say very simply that I've been lucky to coach many big names. But if I can compare him now, at the same age, with Petrovic, Radja, Kukoc, Divac, Danilovic, Djordjevic... I think none of them was so mature a player at such a young age as this guy Luka Doncic. Why? It's very simple. Creation is the most beautiful part of basketball, and he can create his own shot and create for others. He's also a great rebounder and can defend very well. So, for sure, he's the name I would start my team with."

There was an interview with Ivkovic a few weeks back I saw, where they asked him to name the 3 most individually dominant players in European basketball history.

His answer was Jaric's father and Spanoulis, and then he said Doncic isn't that far off from those two already, and could probably join them in a couple years.

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/3/9/17100388/luka-doncics-injury-hurt-draft-stock-dallas-mavericks-nba-draft-dirk-nowitzki

Something to think about for our friend daoneandonly Mav.

Laso already said he's not even injured. He was asked about it and said he had something super minor and would never normally miss a game. He just flat out said Doncic is really tried and he needed a couple weeks of rest.

He's competing against grown men as a doughy 18 year old. Imagine what happens when he gets on an NBA training program and top grade PEDs

He's actually 19. And the PED thing has already been debunked here in these Doncic threads. He plays in Real Madrid (probably the world's biggest sports club, and easily one of the 5-10 richest sports clubs in the world). So the chance he isn't already on the world's best designer PEDs already, is virtually zero.

He may not do them now as a young kid. When he gets to the league he will. 90% of them do, you kinda have to in order to compete and most of all recover. International leagues aren't as much of a grind as the NBA

[baldur]

With the emerging flaws of the others via tournament, he is not going below the second pick.

[burek3]

What if he doesn't declare

[thamadkant]

Haven't seen this one posted yet:

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If he was taller or bulkier, he's a poor man's Larry Bird... All-Star basically lol

[thamadkant]

I just hope he doesnt land on the Suns, that would be the worst destination possible, in pre draft talks with teams he needs to tell them straight off, that he has no interest playing for that organisation, hopefully Dragic already advised him that.

Suns are high on him because of the PG need. And Dragic will not affect him, Dragic doesnt even hate the Suns, Suns drafted him and gave him the spot to shine.

[juanc]

I have seen somwhere that Kokoskov could become the head coach of Phoenix.. If that is true, I really hope Doncic ends up there. They really get each other. Here is a story about them:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22590062/zach-lowe-drazen-petrovic-lasting-basketball-legacy-nba

In a quiet moment during the Slovenian national team training camp before last summer's Eurobasket championship run, the team's coach, Igor Kokoskov, pulled aside Luka Doncic, his star prospect, for a history lesson.

Doncic was not even born when Drazen Petrovic died in a car crash 25 years ago. The old heads of Eastern European basketball are making sure the new generation knows Petrovic beyond swashbuckling, trash-talking YouTube highlights.

"They may not care much as our generation," says Dino Radja, who played on powerhouse Yugoslavian and Croatian national teams with Petrovic before following him to the NBA. "But whoever wants to hear, we will tell them."

Kokoskov told Doncic about how, during Yugoslavia's run to the 1989 EuroBasket championship in Zagreb, Yugoslavia (now Croatia), Petrovic would wake up before 6 a.m., drag an assistant coach into his red Porsche 911, and drive to a gym for a workout while the rest of the team slept. He would return two or three hours later, dripping in sweat, and eat breakfast with his groggy teammates.

"With all these goals you have in front of you," Kokoskov remembers telling Doncic, "you should hear these stories. You should know what it will take."

[daoneandonly]

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/3/9/17100388/luka-doncics-injury-hurt-draft-stock-dallas-mavericks-nba-draft-dirk-nowitzki

Something to think about for our friend daoneandonly Mav.

It's a nice article. Two takeaways:

One: big difference between 28 and 18, especially when the 28 year old had 10 years of mileage playing against the likes of Garnett, Duncan, Malone, Shaq, C-Webb, etc.

Two: Anthony Randolph is in Euroleague, that alone speaks volumes to the disparity in talent between Euroleague and the NBA.

[JPF]

I just hope he doesnt land on the Suns, that would be the worst destination possible, in pre draft talks with teams he needs to tell them straight off, that he has no interest playing for that organisation, hopefully Dragic already advised him that.

He did. Reading between the lines of interviews with Nesterović and Dončić senior, they were both emphasizing the fact a lot more depends on the organisation that would draft Dončič, coach and teamates than on which pick he ends up being, as far as Luka's development go. When mentioning that some organisations can be a bit unprofesional, I couldn't help but believe it was actualy Dragič's experience with Phoenix they were both talking about. They are friends, it's inevitable Phoenix isn't considered as some model organisation by them.

Dragič doesn't hate the Suns, correct, however he did stop himself from sharing some bad press on the organisation, since he was reportedly very pissed regarding various things that were happening in his last season there. It's not a secret he will not recommend them to Luka.

[burek3]

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/3/9/17100388/luka-doncics-injury-hurt-draft-stock-dallas-mavericks-nba-draft-dirk-nowitzki

Something to think about for our friend daoneandonly Mav.

It's a nice article. Two takeaways:

One: big difference between 28 and 18, especially when the 28 year old had 10 years of mileage playing against the likes of Garnett, Duncan, Malone, Shaq, C-Webb, etc.

Two: Anthony Randolph is in Euroleague, that alone speaks volumes to the disparity in talent between Euroleague and the NBA.

Aren't we talking about Doncic and comparing him to his draft class/peers? Am I missing something here?

[daoneandonly]

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2018/3/9/17100388/luka-doncics-injury-hurt-draft-stock-dallas-mavericks-nba-draft-dirk-nowitzki

Something to think about for our friend daoneandonly Mav.

It's a nice article. Two takeaways:

One: big difference between 28 and 18, especially when the 28 year old had 10 years of mileage playing against the likes of Garnett, Duncan, Malone, Shaq, C-Webb, etc.

Two: Anthony Randolph is in Euroleague, that alone speaks volumes to the disparity in talent between Euroleague and the NBA.

Aren't we talking about Doncic and comparing him to his draft class/peers? Am I missing something here?

Well I said a lot of things, so not sure what was being brought up, but sure, fair enough. One thing I've mentioned is the level of competition in Euroleague is not great, I think if Randolph is there (albeit it as a teammate) that speaks volumes, that guy was all but booted from the NBA for sucking.

With respect to talent in the draft class, I've commented on how doncic does have some ncie skills, even compared him to solid NBA guys in the mold of Joe Ingles and hedo Turkaglu. That said, in this draft, I would not take him over Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Jackson jr, Mikal bridges, or a healthy MPJ. I'd put him in the tier of Wendall Carter and Colin Sexton.

[burek3]

It's a nice article. Two takeaways:

One: big difference between 28 and 18, especially when the 28 year old had 10 years of mileage playing against the likes of Garnett, Duncan, Malone, Shaq, C-Webb, etc.

Two: Anthony Randolph is in Euroleague, that alone speaks volumes to the disparity in talent between Euroleague and the NBA.

Aren't we talking about Doncic and comparing him to his draft class/peers? Am I missing something here?

Well I said a lot of things, so not sure what was being brought up, but sure, fair enough. One thing I've mentioned is the level of competition in Euroleague is not great, I think if Randolph is there (albeit it as a teammate) that speaks volumes, that guy was all but booted from the NBA for sucking.

With respect to talent in the draft class, I've commented on how doncic does have some ncie skills, even compared him to solid NBA guys in the mold of Joe Ingles and hedo Turkaglu. That said, in this draft, I would not take him over Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Jackson jr, Mikal bridges, or a healthy MPJ. I'd put him in the tier of Wendall Carter and Colin Sexton.

But surely you would agree that Euroleague is a better competition level than NCAA still?

I mean Anthony Randolph @ age 27 with a lot of pro seasons under his belt would eat most of the current ncaa @19-23 competition for breakfast, just to see if we're on the same page?