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Re: Cameron Reddish 

Post#281 » by prime1time » Thu Apr 4, 2019 5:21 pm

Ruzious wrote:But offensively, what skills does Reddish really have? To me, he looks like a sloppy ball-handler, and his shooting stats are awful. Blaming his shooting on poor spacing is nonsensical. If he had any kind of jump shot, he should have made a high percentage. And it's not like that was something new - he was a bad percentage shooter in the Nike league he played in. He's a talented versatile defender, and that has value but at this point - that's all of his value - and he's not exactly known as a high energy guy. What he has going for him is that he looks the part and is a good athlete who can defend athletic players. He is not an all-around player, and I don't see any reason to expect that to change.

He shot a better percentage from FT in college than Bradley Beal did. He also shot a very similar percentage to Bradley Beal form 3. People don't blame his shooting percentages on poor spacing. We blame his low fg % on poor spacing because it makes it harder to finish at the rim. His low shooting percentage should be looked at in context. The dude shot 7.4 threes a game. How many of those were good shots and how many of those were bad shots? Also, that was a completely different role than he's been in his entire career. He played PG in high school. Does his ball-handling need improvement? Yes. But you're a Wizard fan. How much better were Beal's handles coming out of college than Reddish's?

I'll also point out that many people here are forming opinion on Cam solely from his time at Duke. Cam Reddish has been under the fixed lens of scouts since he entered high school. You take one year and look at it in isolation and you can come to these conclusions. https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/6/29/15892288/john-calipari-cameron-reddish-pg-team-usa-basketball

I've read reports from scouts that go to Duke practices and they say that he has stretches where he looks like he's the best player on the floor. His low shooting percentages are concerning, but I put him in the Bradley Beal category tbh. Read his scouting report from The Athletic. They call him a potentially elite shooter. He's not going to stop being polarizing, but if you look at him in context, you'll understand why scouts love him. Not only does he project as a shooter, but he's also a solid playmaker and when he improves his handles (something that's easily improvable) he'll be a nightmare to guard defensively. Along with the potential to play great defense.

All these haters in here remind me of how the Bobcats cut Boris Diaw. Diaw then leaves and becomes a major cog on the Spurs championship team. Context for a basketball player is everything. Cam played a completely different role, on an offense that wasn't suited to him all while facing the fact that his ball handling simply was not good enough to get to the rim consistently. His ball handling can be improved and in the NBA he'll be playing a role much more beneficial for him. You can write off what I'm saying as potential, but the reality is that the great GM's and scouts look past a general notion of "potential" and to a realm of specifics. How does this player fit with our current personnel. How does this player fit into our team culture. How hard does this player work on his game. What does his coach say. What does his development year to year show.

If all you know of Cam is from his time at Duke, then you don't know Cam. Hopefully the Wiz are smart enough to draft him if players from the top tier are gone.
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Post#282 » by Stillwater » Thu Apr 4, 2019 5:37 pm

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Ruzious wrote:But offensively, what skills does Reddish really have? To me, he looks like a sloppy ball-handler, and his shooting stats are awful. Blaming his shooting on poor spacing is nonsensical. If he had any kind of jump shot, he should have made a high percentage. And it's not like that was something new - he was a bad percentage shooter in the Nike league he played in. He's a talented versatile defender, and that has value but at this point - that's all of his value - and he's not exactly known as a high energy guy. What he has going for him is that he looks the part and is a good athlete who can defend athletic players. He is not an all-around player, and I don't see any reason to expect that to change.

He shot a better percentage from FT in college than Bradley Beal did. He also shot a very similar percentage to Bradley Beal form 3. People don't blame his shooting percentages on poor spacing. We blame his low fg % on poor spacing because it makes it harder to finish at the rim. His low shooting percentage should be looked at in context. The dude shot 7.4 threes a game. How many of those were good shots and how many of those were bad shots? Also, that was a completely different role than he's been in his entire career. He played PG in high school. Does his ball-handling need improvement? Yes. But you're a Wizard fan. How much better were Beal's handles coming out of college than Reddish's?

I'll also point out that many people here are forming opinion on Cam solely from his time at Duke. Cam Reddish has been under the fixed lens of scouts since he entered high school. You take one year and look at it in isolation and you can come to these conclusions. https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/6/29/15892288/john-calipari-cameron-reddish-pg-team-usa-basketball

I've read reports from scouts that go to Duke practices and they say that he has stretches where he looks like he's the best player on the floor. His low shooting percentages are concerning, but I put him in the Bradley Beal category tbh. Read his scouting report from The Athletic. They call him a potentially elite shooter. He's not going to stop being polarizing, but if you look at him in context, you'll understand why scouts love him. Not only does he project as a shooter, but he's also a solid playmaker and when he improves his handles (something that's easily improvable) he'll be a nightmare to guard defensively. Along with the potential to play great defense.

All these haters in here remind me of how the Bobcats cut Boris Diaw. Diaw then leaves and becomes a major cog on the Spurs championship team. Context for a basketball player is everything. Cam played a completely different role, on an offense that wasn't suited to him all while facing the fact that his ball handling simply was not good enough to get to the rim consistently. His ball handling can be improved and in the NBA he'll be playing a role much more beneficial for him. You can write off what I'm saying as potential, but the reality is that the great GM's and scouts look past a general notion of "potential" and to a realm of specifics. How does this player fit with our current personnel. How does this player fit into our team culture. How hard does this player work on his game. What does his coach say. What does his development year to year show.

If all you know of Cam is from his time at Duke, then you don't know Cam. Hopefully the Wiz are smart enough to draft him if players from the top tier are gone.

If what you think here is how he turns out, then I'd be shocked if it didn't show up until after he was labelled a bust traded for a typewriter and did it on a 2nd or 3rd team. He lacks the necessary fight any individual needs to overcome change. Maybe he gains that in time,but overall he has proven he can't hack it against other decent players, and his most impressive accomplishments come when nothing is on the line...which seems awful bad for any team hoping he'll be clutch which is a requirement of anyone gambling on him in the lottery let alone the top 10.
I give him a 50/50 shot at being a decent role playing 3/d , that can get better at moving the ball in a traditional system & could be a starter on a team that runs plays for him, but don't ask him to finish at the rim,and be prepared to face the fact he will always be ice cold or red hot with no in between, and completely unreliable.
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Re: Cameron Reddish 

Post#283 » by SmoothLefty21 » Thu Apr 4, 2019 7:58 pm

Reddish reminds me of a bigger, less athletic JR Smith. Has some tools but doesn't use them well. Can't really get to the rim. Weak handle. Not a great finisher or passer. Has a good looking stroke but doesn't shoot a good percentage. Invisible for long stretches. Can occasionally create and hit absurdly tough shots while bricking tons of open ones. Every now and then will bust out a move that will make you wonder why he isn't an All-Star.

He's a guy I want no part of, even in the late lottery. If he's there in the 20s, sure, why not? Everything is a crap shoot at that point in the draft.
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Post#284 » by SmoothLefty21 » Thu Apr 4, 2019 8:14 pm

prime1time wrote:Not only does he project as a shooter, but he's also a solid playmaker and when he improves his handles (something that's easily improvable) he'll be a nightmare to guard defensively. Along with the potential to play great defense.

Cam played a completely different role, on an offense that wasn't suited to him all while facing the fact that his ball handling simply was not good enough to get to the rim consistently. His ball handling can be improved and in the NBA he'll be playing a role much more beneficial for him. You can write off what I'm saying as potential, but the reality is that the great GM's and scouts look past a general notion of "potential" and to a realm of specifics. How does this player fit with our current personnel. How does this player fit into our team culture. How hard does this player work on his game. What does his coach say. What does his development year to year show.

If all you know of Cam is from his time at Duke, then you don't know Cam. Hopefully the Wiz are smart enough to draft him if players from the top tier are gone.


How is Cam a solid playmaker? Duke tried to use him in that role early in the season and Coach K squashed it with a quickness because Reddish simply couldn't do it. He had far more turnovers than assists at Duke. I keep reading that Duke's offense was a bad fit for him but how? He wasn't good enough to be the playmaker so then what is he gonna be? A spot-up shooter/attacking closeouts or a guy used off screens. He wasn't good at those things either. Defenses packed the paint against Duke, leading to a ton of open looks for Reddish from the perimeter. Cam should have feasted while teams focused on stopping RJ and Zion.

I see enough people around these parts putting a lot of stock in Team USA/FIBA stuff, especially for Reddish and Barrett. NBA scouts don't care that much about that. It was almost two years ago (or will be draft night) and was in a situation where teams didn't have advanced scouting reports and deep playbooks and against U19 competition, much of which was terrible. I read the same stuff in defensive of Barrett - namely his big game vs Team USA.

Boris Diaw was a skilled, smart player with fantastic instincts. Reddish is none of those three things.
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Re: Cameron Reddish 

Post#285 » by Roddy B for 3 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:31 am

SmoothLefty21 wrote:
prime1time wrote:Not only does he project as a shooter, but he's also a solid playmaker and when he improves his handles (something that's easily improvable) he'll be a nightmare to guard defensively. Along with the potential to play great defense.

Cam played a completely different role, on an offense that wasn't suited to him all while facing the fact that his ball handling simply was not good enough to get to the rim consistently. His ball handling can be improved and in the NBA he'll be playing a role much more beneficial for him. You can write off what I'm saying as potential, but the reality is that the great GM's and scouts look past a general notion of "potential" and to a realm of specifics. How does this player fit with our current personnel. How does this player fit into our team culture. How hard does this player work on his game. What does his coach say. What does his development year to year show.

If all you know of Cam is from his time at Duke, then you don't know Cam. Hopefully the Wiz are smart enough to draft him if players from the top tier are gone.


How is Cam a solid playmaker? Duke tried to use him in that role early in the season and Coach K squashed it with a quickness because Reddish simply couldn't do it. He had far more turnovers than assists at Duke. I keep reading that Duke's offense was a bad fit for him but how? He wasn't good enough to be the playmaker so then what is he gonna be? A spot-up shooter/attacking closeouts or a guy used off screens. He wasn't good at those things either. Defenses packed the paint against Duke, leading to a ton of open looks for Reddish from the perimeter. Cam should have feasted while teams focused on stopping RJ and Zion.

I see enough people around these parts putting a lot of stock in Team USA/FIBA stuff, especially for Reddish and Barrett. NBA scouts don't care that much about that. It was almost two years ago (or will be draft night) and was in a situation where teams didn't have advanced scouting reports and deep playbooks and against U19 competition, much of which was terrible. I read the same stuff in defensive of Barrett - namely his big game vs Team USA.

Boris Diaw was a skilled, smart player with fantastic instincts. Reddish is none of those three things.


Reddish at 19 years old is closer to Robert Covington than any player in this draft class.

Do you agree with that thought?
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Re: Cameron Reddish 

Post#286 » by Stillwater » Fri Apr 5, 2019 5:45 pm

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SmoothLefty21 wrote:
prime1time wrote:Not only does he project as a shooter, but he's also a solid playmaker and when he improves his handles (something that's easily improvable) he'll be a nightmare to guard defensively. Along with the potential to play great defense.

Cam played a completely different role, on an offense that wasn't suited to him all while facing the fact that his ball handling simply was not good enough to get to the rim consistently. His ball handling can be improved and in the NBA he'll be playing a role much more beneficial for him. You can write off what I'm saying as potential, but the reality is that the great GM's and scouts look past a general notion of "potential" and to a realm of specifics. How does this player fit with our current personnel. How does this player fit into our team culture. How hard does this player work on his game. What does his coach say. What does his development year to year show.

If all you know of Cam is from his time at Duke, then you don't know Cam. Hopefully the Wiz are smart enough to draft him if players from the top tier are gone.


How is Cam a solid playmaker? Duke tried to use him in that role early in the season and Coach K squashed it with a quickness because Reddish simply couldn't do it. He had far more turnovers than assists at Duke. I keep reading that Duke's offense was a bad fit for him but how? He wasn't good enough to be the playmaker so then what is he gonna be? A spot-up shooter/attacking closeouts or a guy used off screens. He wasn't good at those things either. Defenses packed the paint against Duke, leading to a ton of open looks for Reddish from the perimeter. Cam should have feasted while teams focused on stopping RJ and Zion.

I see enough people around these parts putting a lot of stock in Team USA/FIBA stuff, especially for Reddish and Barrett. NBA scouts don't care that much about that. It was almost two years ago (or will be draft night) and was in a situation where teams didn't have advanced scouting reports and deep playbooks and against U19 competition, much of which was terrible. I read the same stuff in defensive of Barrett - namely his big game vs Team USA.

Boris Diaw was a skilled, smart player with fantastic instincts. Reddish is none of those three things.


Reddish at 19 years old is closer to Robert Covington than any player in this draft class.

Do you agree with that thought?

Cams numbers are abysmal , his defense is overrated , everything that holds his value is based on LONG-TERM development and the floor as of right now is much much lower than it projected to be in HS.
Don't get fooled, he's not that good.
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Re: Cameron Reddish 

Post#287 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 5, 2019 5:50 pm

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Roddy B for 3 wrote:
SmoothLefty21 wrote:
How is Cam a solid playmaker? Duke tried to use him in that role early in the season and Coach K squashed it with a quickness because Reddish simply couldn't do it. He had far more turnovers than assists at Duke. I keep reading that Duke's offense was a bad fit for him but how? He wasn't good enough to be the playmaker so then what is he gonna be? A spot-up shooter/attacking closeouts or a guy used off screens. He wasn't good at those things either. Defenses packed the paint against Duke, leading to a ton of open looks for Reddish from the perimeter. Cam should have feasted while teams focused on stopping RJ and Zion.

I see enough people around these parts putting a lot of stock in Team USA/FIBA stuff, especially for Reddish and Barrett. NBA scouts don't care that much about that. It was almost two years ago (or will be draft night) and was in a situation where teams didn't have advanced scouting reports and deep playbooks and against U19 competition, much of which was terrible. I read the same stuff in defensive of Barrett - namely his big game vs Team USA.

Boris Diaw was a skilled, smart player with fantastic instincts. Reddish is none of those three things.


Reddish at 19 years old is closer to Robert Covington than any player in this draft class.

Do you agree with that thought?

Cams numbers are abysmal , his defense is overrated , everything that holds his value is based on LONG-TERM development and the floor as of right now is much much lower than it projected to be in HS.
Don't get fooled, he's not that good.

For most of his season he measured as an elite 3pt shooter with volume and elite at steals. Not to mention his age, defensive ability and his natural gifts he has. I don't think he is as good or close to R. Cov right now but he can easily be better long term.
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Post#288 » by Stillwater » Fri Apr 5, 2019 6:03 pm

King Ken wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
Reddish at 19 years old is closer to Robert Covington than any player in this draft class.

Do you agree with that thought?

Cams numbers are abysmal , his defense is overrated , everything that holds his value is based on LONG-TERM development and the floor as of right now is much much lower than it projected to be in HS.
Don't get fooled, he's not that good.

For most of his season he measured as an elite 3pt shooter with volume and elite at steals. Not to mention his age, defensive ability and his natural gifts he has. I don't think he is as good or close to R. Cov right now but he can easily be better long term.

His DBPM @ 2.7 was abysmal , his 33% from 3 is nothing to write home about, and his PER of 13.6 is laughable for a 5 star recruit.
He'll be the biggest bust of this draft if he goes anywhere in the top 5. I'd rather have Wiggins or Waiters over this chump and they both suck
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Post#289 » by Justwar » Fri Apr 5, 2019 7:13 pm

Cam had tons of things going against him. Role, he needs the ball to create. He's not just a spot up shooter. I can see him in a point forward role. To me he's going be a less shooting, more athletic Joe Ingles
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Post#290 » by clyde21 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 7:37 pm

Justwar wrote:Cam had tons of things going against him. Role, he needs the ball to create. He's not just a spot up shooter. I can see him in a point forward role. To me he's going be a less shooting, more athletic Joe Ingles


i have more faith in him as an on-ball creator than most but to be fair, they had him on-ball quite a lot in the beginning of the year and he failed miserably. at any hint of traffic in the lane he lost control of the ball and often made decisions.

I still think somewhere in him he has the potential to be a secondary handler on a team, but I think we're quite a ways from that at this point. really needs to hit the gym and improve his handle considerably.
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Post#291 » by Roddy B for 3 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 7:57 pm

King Ken wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
Reddish at 19 years old is closer to Robert Covington than any player in this draft class.

Do you agree with that thought?

Cams numbers are abysmal , his defense is overrated , everything that holds his value is based on LONG-TERM development and the floor as of right now is much much lower than it projected to be in HS.
Don't get fooled, he's not that good.

For most of his season he measured as an elite 3pt shooter with volume and elite at steals. Not to mention his age, defensive ability and his natural gifts he has. I don't think he is as good or close to R. Cov right now but he can easily be better long term.


Do you think their is a player in this drafts who can fill RoCo's role more similarly (even if still less than) than Reddish?
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Post#292 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:08 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
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Stillwater wrote:Cams numbers are abysmal , his defense is overrated , everything that holds his value is based on LONG-TERM development and the floor as of right now is much much lower than it projected to be in HS.
Don't get fooled, he's not that good.

For most of his season he measured as an elite 3pt shooter with volume and elite at steals. Not to mention his age, defensive ability and his natural gifts he has. I don't think he is as good or close to R. Cov right now but he can easily be better long term.


Do you think their is a player in this drafts who can fill RoCo's role more similarly (even if still less than) than Reddish?

To a very small degree. Reddish is just much more talented and Covington turned himself in a perimeter defender. I'll said it before. He is a PDS guy but he is a rare prospect in the right system he can be average college Basketball player as well as a average pro instantly.

But the issue is, if you need him to create his own offense, play below the arc, give him too much responsibility, he could really struggle in the NBA BADLY. I would not put him on most of the lottery teams honestly but a team like GS, Atlanta, SA, Milwaukee, Houston where they play a style that is role based and they have an elite creator, then he is my guy. When posters say, no way is he even a top 10 pick. They might be right.
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Post#293 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:11 pm

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Justwar wrote:Cam had tons of things going against him. Role, he needs the ball to create. He's not just a spot up shooter. I can see him in a point forward role. To me he's going be a less shooting, more athletic Joe Ingles


i have more faith in him as an on-ball creator than most but to be fair, they had him on-ball quite a lot in the beginning of the year and he failed miserably. at any hint of traffic in the lane he lost control of the ball and often made decisions.

I still think somewhere in him he has the potential to be a secondary handler on a team, but I think we're quite a ways from that at this point. really needs to hit the gym and improve his handle considerably.

He is best in rhythm more so than on or off the ball. His usage needs to be simple, shot, PnR, drive if the lane is open or pass. When you ask him to do more, you get in trouble with Reddish
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Post#294 » by Roddy B for 3 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:28 pm

King Ken wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
King Ken wrote:For most of his season he measured as an elite 3pt shooter with volume and elite at steals. Not to mention his age, defensive ability and his natural gifts he has. I don't think he is as good or close to R. Cov right now but he can easily be better long term.


Do you think their is a player in this drafts who can fill RoCo's role more similarly (even if still less than) than Reddish?

To a very small degree. Reddish is just much more talented and Covington turned himself in a perimeter defender. I'll said it before. He is a PDS guy but he is a rare prospect in the right system he can be average college Basketball player as well as a average pro instantly.

But the issue is, if you need him to create his own offense, play below the arc, give him too much responsibility, he could really struggle in the NBA BADLY. I would not put him on most of the lottery teams honestly but a team like GS, Atlanta, SA, Milwaukee, Houston where they play a style that is role based and they have an elite creator, then he is my guy. When posters say, no way is he even a top 10 pick. They might be right.


College freshman with Cams tools, clCams ability to shoot 31% from three in the ACC on 6 3 point attempts per game and Cams defense are EXTREMELY rare. They are obviously less rare in the NBA but, still rare. I think he preformed much better for this Duke team than almost anyone else in this draft would have done as a freshman in his role (high volume 3D guy).

I agree with most of your assessment. I think as a rookie he will be a bad perimeter defender and bad post defender (only about 5 guys I think will be better than bad as rookies at these things). I think as a shooter his first year he might be 31% from three on what would be per 36 6threepoint attempts per game.

I think he wants to be an NBA player and he will know he needs to be a shooter to get there. I think he will be a mid 30's% from three after 1 or two years and he will do it on a high per minute volume. I think his defense will be what gets him minutes or not and he will probably be the 4-5th best perimeter defender on his team from day 1 and projects to be a top 2 or 3 perimeter defender for a team, long term.

So I project him as a teams 2nd or 3rd or 4th best perimeter defender player in his prime and a 33-40% high volume three point shooter.
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Post#295 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:34 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
Do you think their is a player in this drafts who can fill RoCo's role more similarly (even if still less than) than Reddish?

To a very small degree. Reddish is just much more talented and Covington turned himself in a perimeter defender. I'll said it before. He is a PDS guy but he is a rare prospect in the right system he can be average college Basketball player as well as a average pro instantly.

But the issue is, if you need him to create his own offense, play below the arc, give him too much responsibility, he could really struggle in the NBA BADLY. I would not put him on most of the lottery teams honestly but a team like GS, Atlanta, SA, Milwaukee, Houston where they play a style that is role based and they have an elite creator, then he is my guy. When posters say, no way is he even a top 10 pick. They might be right.


College freshman with Cams tools, clCams ability to shoot 31% from three in the ACC on 6 3 point attempts per game and Cams defense are EXTREMELY rare. They are obviously less rare in the NBA but, still rare. I think he preformed much better for this Duke team than almost anyone else in this draft would have done as a freshman in his role (high volume 3D guy).

I agree with most of your assessment. I think as a rookie he will be a bad perimeter defender and bad post defender (only about 5 guys I think will be better than bad as rookies at these things). I think as a shooter his first year he might be 31% from three on what would be per 36 6threepoint attempts per game.

I think he wants to be an NBA player and he will know he needs to be a shooter to get there. I think he will be a mid 30's% from three after 1 or two years and he will do it on a high per minute volume. I think his defense will be what gets him minutes or not and he will probably be the 4-5th best perimeter defender on his team from day 1 and projects to be a top 2 or 3 perimeter defender for a team, long term.

So I project him as a teams 2nd or 3rd or 4th best perimeter defender player in his prime and a 33-40% high volume three point shooter.

I think his defense will translate, both on and off the ball. Too talented not to. His offense. We could be looking at a worse on offense Josh Okogie with better shooting range. It will be really bad. It's best to simplify it for him.

But to expect an elite defender in year one is just impossible.
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Post#296 » by Roddy B for 3 » Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:39 pm

King Ken wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
King Ken wrote:To a very small degree. Reddish is just much more talented and Covington turned himself in a perimeter defender. I'll said it before. He is a PDS guy but he is a rare prospect in the right system he can be average college Basketball player as well as a average pro instantly.

But the issue is, if you need him to create his own offense, play below the arc, give him too much responsibility, he could really struggle in the NBA BADLY. I would not put him on most of the lottery teams honestly but a team like GS, Atlanta, SA, Milwaukee, Houston where they play a style that is role based and they have an elite creator, then he is my guy. When posters say, no way is he even a top 10 pick. They might be right.


College freshman with Cams tools, clCams ability to shoot 31% from three in the ACC on 6 3 point attempts per game and Cams defense are EXTREMELY rare. They are obviously less rare in the NBA but, still rare. I think he preformed much better for this Duke team than almost anyone else in this draft would have done as a freshman in his role (high volume 3D guy).

I agree with most of your assessment. I think as a rookie he will be a bad perimeter defender and bad post defender (only about 5 guys I think will be better than bad as rookies at these things). I think as a shooter his first year he might be 31% from three on what would be per 36 6threepoint attempts per game.

I think he wants to be an NBA player and he will know he needs to be a shooter to get there. I think he will be a mid 30's% from three after 1 or two years and he will do it on a high per minute volume. I think his defense will be what gets him minutes or not and he will probably be the 4-5th best perimeter defender on his team from day 1 and projects to be a top 2 or 3 perimeter defender for a team, long term.

So I project him as a teams 2nd or 3rd or 4th best perimeter defender player in his prime and a 33-40% high volume three point shooter.

I think his defense will translate, both on and off the ball. Too talented not to. His offense. We could be looking at a worse on offense Josh Okogie with better shooting range. It will be really bad. It's best to simplify it for him.

But to expect an elite defender in year one is just impossible.


Yeah he's a big switch defender who needs to be spoon feed spot up threes his rookie year. And he will probably hit those threes between 27-34%
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Re: Cameron Reddish 

Post#297 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:42 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
College freshman with Cams tools, clCams ability to shoot 31% from three in the ACC on 6 3 point attempts per game and Cams defense are EXTREMELY rare. They are obviously less rare in the NBA but, still rare. I think he preformed much better for this Duke team than almost anyone else in this draft would have done as a freshman in his role (high volume 3D guy).

I agree with most of your assessment. I think as a rookie he will be a bad perimeter defender and bad post defender (only about 5 guys I think will be better than bad as rookies at these things). I think as a shooter his first year he might be 31% from three on what would be per 36 6threepoint attempts per game.

I think he wants to be an NBA player and he will know he needs to be a shooter to get there. I think he will be a mid 30's% from three after 1 or two years and he will do it on a high per minute volume. I think his defense will be what gets him minutes or not and he will probably be the 4-5th best perimeter defender on his team from day 1 and projects to be a top 2 or 3 perimeter defender for a team, long term.

So I project him as a teams 2nd or 3rd or 4th best perimeter defender player in his prime and a 33-40% high volume three point shooter.

I think his defense will translate, both on and off the ball. Too talented not to. His offense. We could be looking at a worse on offense Josh Okogie with better shooting range. It will be really bad. It's best to simplify it for him.

But to expect an elite defender in year one is just impossible.


Yeah he's a big switch defender who needs to be spoon feed spot up threes his rookie year. And he will probably hit those threes between 27-34%

Pretty much with playmaking actions and not creating actions. He is a tough fit. You got guys in this draft who just fit better. Hunter, Clarke, etc. He falls in the Bol Bol category at this time. I like comparing him to PG13 like I like comparing Bol to KP but they are different and you can bust them in the wrong situation
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Re: Cameron Reddish 

Post#298 » by Stillwater » Fri Apr 5, 2019 11:45 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
College freshman with Cams tools, clCams ability to shoot 31% from three in the ACC on 6 3 point attempts per game and Cams defense are EXTREMELY rare. They are obviously less rare in the NBA but, still rare. I think he preformed much better for this Duke team than almost anyone else in this draft would have done as a freshman in his role (high volume 3D guy).

I agree with most of your assessment. I think as a rookie he will be a bad perimeter defender and bad post defender (only about 5 guys I think will be better than bad as rookies at these things). I think as a shooter his first year he might be 31% from three on what would be per 36 6threepoint attempts per game.

I think he wants to be an NBA player and he will know he needs to be a shooter to get there. I think he will be a mid 30's% from three after 1 or two years and he will do it on a high per minute volume. I think his defense will be what gets him minutes or not and he will probably be the 4-5th best perimeter defender on his team from day 1 and projects to be a top 2 or 3 perimeter defender for a team, long term.

So I project him as a teams 2nd or 3rd or 4th best perimeter defender player in his prime and a 33-40% high volume three point shooter.

I think his defense will translate, both on and off the ball. Too talented not to. His offense. We could be looking at a worse on offense Josh Okogie with better shooting range. It will be really bad. It's best to simplify it for him.

But to expect an elite defender in year one is just impossible.


Yeah he's a big switch defender who needs to be spoon feed spot up threes his rookie year. And he will probably hit those threes between 27-34%

not worthy of a lottery pick with no other value besides length to eventually become a good defender which by all accounts he is the opposite of. Look at the stats, he sucks.
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Re: Cameron Reddish 

Post#299 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 5, 2019 11:52 pm

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Roddy B for 3 wrote:
King Ken wrote:I think his defense will translate, both on and off the ball. Too talented not to. His offense. We could be looking at a worse on offense Josh Okogie with better shooting range. It will be really bad. It's best to simplify it for him.

But to expect an elite defender in year one is just impossible.


Yeah he's a big switch defender who needs to be spoon feed spot up threes his rookie year. And he will probably hit those threes between 27-34%

not worthy of a lottery pick with no other value besides length to eventually become a good defender which by all accounts he is the opposite of. Look at the stats, he sucks.

A potential 40% 3 point shooter who plays great D has value. A potential Robert Covington like player in most systems with better athletic ability is highly valued. But like I said, Hunter has more value to me right now on average but...

For Atlanta his value is a he can be 35-40% as a rookie in our system off of 7-8 3s a game volume with the good defense to boot and can PnR playmake as well in our system. That's tremendous value. In other words, like Bol Bol, he is a system fit. Reddish fits our system. For others, they might see Bol as a great fit, for us he isn't. He is a below average fit with bust potential
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Re: Cameron Reddish 

Post#300 » by Roddy B for 3 » Sat Apr 6, 2019 2:06 am

King Ken wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
Yeah he's a big switch defender who needs to be spoon feed spot up threes his rookie year. And he will probably hit those threes between 27-34%

not worthy of a lottery pick with no other value besides length to eventually become a good defender which by all accounts he is the opposite of. Look at the stats, he sucks.

A potential 40% 3 point shooter who plays great D has value. A potential Robert Covington like player in most systems with better athletic ability is highly valued. But like I said, Hunter has more value to me right now on average but...

For Atlanta his value is a he can be 35-40% as a rookie in our system off of 7-8 3s a game volume with the good defense to boot and can PnR playmake as well in our system. That's tremendous value. In other words, like Bol Bol, he is a system fit. Reddish fits our system. For others, they might see Bol as a great fit, for us he isn't. He is a below average fit with bust potential


I think the Cam Reddish you described is prime Cam Reddish not rookie Cam Reddish.
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