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Post#281 » by crows2 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 8:37 am

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clyde21 wrote:Lewis shutting down Kentucky single handledly...Antman last game 3-10 against Lewis, Maxey 1-9 today


I like Lewis and would comfortably draft him in the first round now that he’s showing he can score, but let’s not pretend he was on Maxey the whole game. He was matched up on Quickley quite a bit, who scored 12 on 5-8 before fouling out early, and also defended Brooks on a few possessions. Quickley scored on him a couple of times and Brooks once or twice. I love Lewis as a defender but saying he singlehandedly shut down Maxey today is giving people the wrong impression.


wrong, Quickley's primary defender was Nembhard, Lewis got switched on him a couple of times and Quickley only scored once against him, Brooks also once and it was a rando floater.

and yes, he single handedly shut Maxey down. he was Maxey's primary defender the entire night. not sure what's 'the wrong impression' about that.


I suggest you go back and rewatch the game. Quickley and Brooks in addition both hit 3s while matched up on Lewis which you must be forgetting. Not going to argue about it anymore, the proof is in the tape and anyone can go back and watch it. As I said, Lewis is a great defender, but implying that his entire defensive game today entailed keeping Maxey to 7 points (and 7 assists) today is misleading.
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Post#282 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 8:42 am

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I like Lewis and would comfortably draft him in the first round now that he’s showing he can score, but let’s not pretend he was on Maxey the whole game. He was matched up on Quickley quite a bit, who scored 12 on 5-8 before fouling out early, and also defended Brooks on a few possessions. Quickley scored on him a couple of times and Brooks once or twice. I love Lewis as a defender but saying he singlehandedly shut down Maxey today is giving people the wrong impression.


wrong, Quickley's primary defender was Nembhard, Lewis got switched on him a couple of times and Quickley only scored once against him, Brooks also once and it was a rando floater.

and yes, he single handedly shut Maxey down. he was Maxey's primary defender the entire night. not sure what's 'the wrong impression' about that.


I suggest you go back and rewatch the game. Quickley and Brooks in addition both hit 3s while matched up on Lewis which you must be forgetting. Not going to argue about it anymore, the proof is in the tape and anyone can go back and watch it. As I said, Lewis is a great defender, but implying that his entire defensive game today entailed keeping Maxey to 7 points (and 7 assists) today is misleading.


no one is implying anything, I'm outright stating it: Lewis shut Maxey down today...watch the game because you apparently didn't. Maxey had no where to go, complete shut down his drive game almost all of his shots came completely unbalanced and out of position.
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Post#283 » by crows2 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 9:02 am

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wrong, Quickley's primary defender was Nembhard, Lewis got switched on him a couple of times and Quickley only scored once against him, Brooks also once and it was a rando floater.

and yes, he single handedly shut Maxey down. he was Maxey's primary defender the entire night. not sure what's 'the wrong impression' about that.


I suggest you go back and rewatch the game. Quickley and Brooks in addition both hit 3s while matched up on Lewis which you must be forgetting. Not going to argue about it anymore, the proof is in the tape and anyone can go back and watch it. As I said, Lewis is a great defender, but implying that his entire defensive game today entailed keeping Maxey to 7 points (and 7 assists) today is misleading.


no one is implying anything, I'm outright stating it: Lewis shut Maxey down today...watch the game because you apparently didn't. Maxey had no where to go, complete shut down his drive game almost all of his shots came completely unbalanced and out of position.


Great, and I’m outright stating that you have rose coloured glasses with regards to Lewis as a prospect and are conveniently ignoring that he wasn’t always matched up on Maxey and was beaten a few times when defending bigger wings.
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Post#284 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 9:05 am

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I suggest you go back and rewatch the game. Quickley and Brooks in addition both hit 3s while matched up on Lewis which you must be forgetting. Not going to argue about it anymore, the proof is in the tape and anyone can go back and watch it. As I said, Lewis is a great defender, but implying that his entire defensive game today entailed keeping Maxey to 7 points (and 7 assists) today is misleading.


no one is implying anything, I'm outright stating it: Lewis shut Maxey down today...watch the game because you apparently didn't. Maxey had no where to go, complete shut down his drive game almost all of his shots came completely unbalanced and out of position.


Great, and I’m outright stating that you have rose coloured glasses with regards to Lewis as a prospect and are conveniently ignoring that he wasn’t always matched up on Maxey and was beaten a few times when defending bigger wings.


lol, no he wasn't, he was 'beaten' ONCE by Brooks when he hit a rando floater against him, if that's what you're writing home about congratulations. :lol:
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Post#285 » by oldshoolballer » Sun Mar 8, 2020 2:48 pm

getrichordie wrote:Here's my current lottery big board:

1. Anthony Edwards
2. Cole Anthony
3. Isaac Okoro
4. Tyrese Maxey
5. James Wiseman
6. Killian Hayes
7. LaMelo Ball
8. Deni Avdija
9. Isaiah Stewart
10. Onyeka Okungwu
11. Tyrese Haliburton
12. Aleksej Pokusevski
13. R.J. Hampton
14. Jaden McDaniels

This class may be the worse draft since 2000 which was considered the worst in NBA history.There are always a few diamonds in the rough though even in bad years.
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Post#286 » by King Ken » Sun Mar 8, 2020 3:16 pm

The PGs in this class really could go 1-13 outside of Toppin, Okongwu, Deni, and Okoro and I wouldn't mind one bit.

Even Deni and Okoro have modern fit questions at least for year 1.

This class outside of the PG position is bad always too. Maybe you got a lot of potential 3 and D wings which the last three classes lacked but there the 2nd rounders type. They aren't close to breaking anyone rotation.

Edwards is my #1 prospect only due to potential because he's not ready to start for ANY NBA team right now. He's less ready than Collin Sexton was last year. Now the reason why he is number one for most is his ceiling is much too high and his potential long term is exceptional.

In a draft where few passes the eye test, he does with flying colors. He's just really really raw. I am kinda glad he choose UGA, he gave teams a lot to work with in terms of a pallet for what he needs to improve on. I hate when players go to stacked teams, those teams can hide their flaws and the NBA fails due to that.
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Post#287 » by King Ken » Sun Mar 8, 2020 3:19 pm

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getrichordie wrote:Here's my current lottery big board:

1. Anthony Edwards
2. Cole Anthony
3. Isaac Okoro
4. Tyrese Maxey
5. James Wiseman
6. Killian Hayes
7. LaMelo Ball
8. Deni Avdija
9. Isaiah Stewart
10. Onyeka Okungwu
11. Tyrese Haliburton
12. Aleksej Pokusevski
13. R.J. Hampton
14. Jaden McDaniels

This class may be the worse draft since 2000 which was considered the worst in NBA history.There are always a few diamonds in the rough though even in bad years.

We will never have a class that bad again in the modern NBA. Development is just much too good in 2020 compared to 2000 and these players at least play a style that's similar to what they are entering. The NBA was playing a completely different game in 2000 than the NCAA was at that time. Straight out of HS depleted the NCAA at that time as well.
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Post#288 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 7:19 pm

King Ken wrote:
oldshoolballer wrote:
getrichordie wrote:Here's my current lottery big board:

1. Anthony Edwards
2. Cole Anthony
3. Isaac Okoro
4. Tyrese Maxey
5. James Wiseman
6. Killian Hayes
7. LaMelo Ball
8. Deni Avdija
9. Isaiah Stewart
10. Onyeka Okungwu
11. Tyrese Haliburton
12. Aleksej Pokusevski
13. R.J. Hampton
14. Jaden McDaniels

This class may be the worse draft since 2000 which was considered the worst in NBA history.There are always a few diamonds in the rough though even in bad years.

We will never have a class that bad again in the modern NBA. Development is just much too good in 2020 compared to 2000 and these players at least play a style that's similar to what they are entering. The NBA was playing a completely different game in 2000 than the NCAA was at that time. Straight out of HS depleted the NCAA at that time as well.


not only is the development better, but there are more roles for players to play, back then tweeners were seen as instant failures, now they have important positions to fill. combo guards and combo bigs weren't really a thing in 2000, now they are at a premium.
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Post#289 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 7:32 pm

in conference Edwards is shooting 41% from the field and 29% from 3, only thing saving his shooting right now is the FTs at 79%, negative net rating too and a bad assist rate for his usage.

the potential is stupid good and he should be a top3 pick but he's super raw, and I think there's potential for his development to go sideways if teams are not careful with him from the mental aspect of the game.
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Post#290 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Sun Mar 8, 2020 8:18 pm

Isaiah Joe is making 88.8% of his FTs...no way he's not drafted top 25 unless teams are that bad at drafting(oh who am I kidding).
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Post#291 » by GimmeDat » Mon Mar 9, 2020 12:43 am

Did anyone here follow Sam Froling during FIBA play as a junior? I'm writing a piece at the moment for a website, inspired by going back through some of his play, and I think there's a chance he's worth a 2nd round pick this year.

Didn't get a ton of burn in the NBL this season but he was really productive in his time as the youngest player in the league (excluding Ball/RJ/Armstrong)
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Post#292 » by King Ken » Mon Mar 9, 2020 10:34 am

GimmeDat wrote:Did anyone here follow Sam Froling during FIBA play as a junior? I'm writing a piece at the moment for a website, inspired by going back through some of his play, and I think there's a chance he's worth a 2nd round pick this year.

Didn't get a ton of burn in the NBL this season but he was really productive in his time as the youngest player in the league (excluding Ball/RJ/Armstrong)

This is a class where a guy like him can sneak into the 2nd round if he is willing to sign a two-way deal.
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Post#293 » by GimmeDat » Mon Mar 9, 2020 11:57 am

King Ken wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Did anyone here follow Sam Froling during FIBA play as a junior? I'm writing a piece at the moment for a website, inspired by going back through some of his play, and I think there's a chance he's worth a 2nd round pick this year.

Didn't get a ton of burn in the NBL this season but he was really productive in his time as the youngest player in the league (excluding Ball/RJ/Armstrong)

This is a class where a guy like him can sneak into the 2nd round if he is willing to sign a two-way deal.


Yeah I could see either that or a draft and stash so he can stay in the NBL. He was messed around a bit at Illawarra this year but I thought he looked pretty promising. I think there's long term potential if he builds up his strength and refines the range on his shot.
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Post#294 » by karkinos » Mon Mar 9, 2020 12:18 pm

hagans *sigh*

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/ashton-hagans-video-surfaces-uk-responds/

i don't get it man. he doesn't need to flex. kids like him gotta know way more money is coming later.
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Post#295 » by CoreyVillains » Mon Mar 9, 2020 1:05 pm

Can someone explain to me why Kira Lewis isn’t a projected lottery pick? I haven’t gotten a chance to dig deep into him yet but he seems to have some pretty good projectable NBA skills.
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Post#296 » by pcbothwel » Mon Mar 9, 2020 2:34 pm

CoreyVillains wrote:Can someone explain to me why Kira Lewis isn’t a projected lottery pick? I haven’t gotten a chance to dig deep into him yet but he seems to have some pretty good projectable NBA skills.


Seems like Coby White... great pick in the top 15-20.
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Post#297 » by CoreyVillains » Mon Mar 9, 2020 4:51 pm

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CoreyVillains wrote:Can someone explain to me why Kira Lewis isn’t a projected lottery pick? I haven’t gotten a chance to dig deep into him yet but he seems to have some pretty good projectable NBA skills.


Seems like Coby White... great pick in the top 15-20.


Coby has really come on lately and looks like a pretty good pick. Considering this is considered a weak draft, wouldn’t Coby be a top 5-10 guy in this draft too?
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Post#298 » by clyde21 » Mon Mar 9, 2020 5:23 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
CoreyVillains wrote:Can someone explain to me why Kira Lewis isn’t a projected lottery pick? I haven’t gotten a chance to dig deep into him yet but he seems to have some pretty good projectable NBA skills.


Seems like Coby White... great pick in the top 15-20.


? Coby would be a top 5 guy in this draft
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Post#299 » by pcbothwel » Mon Mar 9, 2020 5:34 pm

clyde21 wrote:
pcbothwel wrote:
CoreyVillains wrote:Can someone explain to me why Kira Lewis isn’t a projected lottery pick? I haven’t gotten a chance to dig deep into him yet but he seems to have some pretty good projectable NBA skills.


Seems like Coby White... great pick in the top 15-20.


? Coby would be a top 5 guy in this draft


Agreed. But his frame is a bit more concerning and this Guard class has a lot more competition in the 4-10 range. Haliburton, Hayes, Anthony, and Hampton will all be somebody's cup of tea. So I think he is a lotto talent that would be "A Great pick in the top 15-20"
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Post#300 » by getrichordie » Mon Mar 9, 2020 6:41 pm

Haven’t had a chance to watch much of Duke this season. Can anyone give me any insight into Justin Robinson? I know he’s the Admiral’s son and all, but he’s shot it well from 3 and everyone is talking about how he has been providing a huge spark to Duke off the bench.

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/platform/amp/2020/3/9/21171136/a-good-piece-on-justin-robinson-duke-basketball-david-robinson-coach-k
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