Hal14 wrote:The-Power wrote:It's not about raw percentages. It's about projection. When I question the shooting ability for some players, efficiency is only part of the equation. It's also about shooting volume,
Ausar's volume is good (4.3 3PA / game on the season, which jumped to 7.8 3PA / game in the playoffs). Amen's is lower (2.8 3PA / game on the season, which jumped to 4 3PA / game in the playoffs) but he's also a PG rather than a wing - PG's are typically looking to distribute more and shoot 3's less.
That's why bringing up Keyonte George in this discussion is kind of silly - of course he's got higher shooting volume - he's an undersized guard who doesn't have much burst off the dribble or vertical pop so he is an inefficient shot chucker. Completely different player than the twins.The-Power wrote:You can't just expect poor shooters to be able to penetrate non-stop and finish efficiently in the NBA just because they are quick.
They're not just quick. If you think that all the twins have is quickness, you might want to watch them some more. Highly recommend watching their scouting report vids by the Box and One.
It's the combination of size at 6'7" + handles + burst/athleticism (they'll both be in the top 10 in the league in terms of burst/athleticism from day 1 their rookie year. The sprinting and shuttle times Amen has posted are some of the best we've seen in the past 20 years) + change of speed, change of direction, craft and aggressiveness that allows them (especially Amen) to be a walking paint touch.
That combination of size (6'7" or taller) + handles/craft + athleticism/burst + aggressiveness + vision/passing is VERY rare. We're talking about only guys like Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, LeBron, maybe Ben Simmons. I guess KD is in there too but KD is not fair to include since his shooting is on a level that we know the twins will never reach).The-Power wrote:Their shooting limitations, and the issues that causes in the half-court, are very legitimate concerns and I won't just work with the most optimistic outlook as you do because I realize how few prospects actually turn into offensive weapons in the NBA.
Giddey, Scottie Barnes and Dyson Daniels couldn't shoot either as a prospect. Giddey went 6th overall, has certainly been a top 5 or 6 player from his draft class. Barnes went 4th overall and won ROY, Daniels was 8th pick and has a bright future ahead of him, Neither could D'Aaron Fox and he's a borderline all-star and franchise cornerstone for the 3 seed in the west.
The twins are more athletic/explosive than those guys, have better handles and are much taller, better defenders than Fox..The-Power wrote:I have seen the twins play and they couldn't even consistently penetrate and finish efficiently against half-court defenses in their league.
They also have horrible spacing in OTE, yet the twins are still able to be a walking paint touch.
And I think you're really underestimating the talent and athleticism in OTE. I was watching the Belmont vs Drake game the other night. The OTE finals had 10x more athleticism than that game. The team the twins faced in the OTE finals had just as much (if not more) athleticism than a lot of the kids on Wisconsin and Ohio State. OTE has a handful of kids (other than the twins) who are eligible for the 2023 draft, they have multiple kids who are projected 1st round picks in 2024, and a good chunk of players who hold or will soon hold high major D1 offers.
I will start out by saying I have watched next to no tape on either of these guys but this analysis is the polar opposite from what I have hear from other respected draft guys. Especially the part about ball handling, I heard that neither are elite ball handlers and I can't remember if it was Amen or Ausar but they were saying the handle isn't even NBA functional.
The way I've heard them described is more hype than substance.
